A court does the right thing and releases instead of ruining.

[Hayabusa Rider]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/17/us/rene-lima-marin-freed/index.html

TL;DR version

Man breaks law
Gets caught and a loooooooonnng sentence.
Government screws up paperwork and he gets early release.
Man lives exemplary life for six years.
Rearrested to serve the remainder of sentence.
Judge could have said "Ha, you're screwed" but instead looked as the man's life and said "Why the hell should we put him back in jail, he's completely reformed".
Judge says to man "Hit the road and go back to your family.

I like this ending.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Rene Lima-Marin was serving a 98-year prison term for robbing two video stores in 1998.

What the shit happened there? Were they the Pope's video stores? Did he rob them with arsenic laced orphans or something?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Sad he was returned back for another 3+ years before getting to this decision.

 

[K1052]

A good ending to a pretty fucked up story.

Appears the prosecutor hit them with kidnapping charges since they moved employees from one room to another during a robbery. 98 years served consecutively is crazy for incidents where nobody was killed or hurt.

 

[Jaskalas]

I approve of the outcome in general... But I am afraid that it took 3 years to do so.

They re-arrested this man in 2014, he may walk free in a few days.
I hope prison did not corrupt, injure, or destroy the good man he had become.

You think the mother of his kids will stand by him after 3 years in prison?

 

[UNCjigga]

I'm not gonna click the link or read too much into his name, but I'm going to jump to conclusions and assume this man who received a 98 year sentence for robbing 2 video stores has a...darker complexion.

 

[K1052]

They could have gotten more than 300 years the way the DA decided to charge them. Nuts.

Lima-Marin and Clifton were convicted in separate trials but sentenced at the same hearing. The prosecutor had dissected the robberies into a litany of discrete actions — including kidnapping, because they moved employees from one room to another. That approach produced a sentencing structure boosted by the crime-of-violence enhancer toward a total of 98 years. That was the low end of a range that could have exceeded 300 years.

At sentencing, Judge John Leopold took issue with that strategy: “I am not comfortable, frankly, with the way the case is charged, but that is a district attorney executive branch decision that I find that I have no control over.”

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/06/1...icials-discovered-88-year-sentencing-mistake/

 

[zinfamous]

I'm not gonna click the link or read too much into his name, but I'm going to jump to conclusions and assume this man who received a 98 year sentence for robbing 2 video stores has a...darker complexion.

Well, he kinda looks like Albert Pujols.

Shit, you know what...I think it is Albert Pujols!

WTF man, free the Pujols!

 

[UNCjigga]

They could have gotten more than 300 years the way the DA decided to charge them. Nuts.



http://www.denverpost.com/2016/06/1...icials-discovered-88-year-sentencing-mistake/

Curious, what prompted a *former* prosecutor to randomly type this guy's name in 2014 to see where he was? Did he have some sort of vendetta against him? Who was the DA/prosecution team on this case and where are they now?

 

[mikeymikec]

I'm not gonna click the link or read too much into his name, but I'm going to jump to conclusions and assume this man who received a 98 year sentence for robbing 2 video stores has a...darker complexion.

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that you could possibly think this. It's just pure coincidence that you happen to be correct on this one occasion. Statistical anomaly rather than racism because....

 

[pauldun170]

Give the DA's office a chance to review and try to get him back in prison.

 

[Jaskalas]

.... words fail me at this injustice.

Judge frees Colorado man from prison, then ICE immediately re-arrests him

He now faces deportation to Cuba.​

 

[GagHalfrunt]

.... words fail me at this injustice.

Judge frees Colorado man from prison, then ICE immediately re-arrests him

He now faces deportation to Cuba.​

Wow!! Political pissing contest over turf. We want him in jail! Tough, he's out! Bullshit, you're not the boss of us, he's back in.

 

[sandorski]

.... words fail me at this injustice.

Judge frees Colorado man from prison, then ICE immediately re-arrests him

He now faces deportation to Cuba.​

ffs

 

[DarthKyrie]

.... words fail me at this injustice.

Judge frees Colorado man from prison, then ICE immediately re-arrests him

He now faces deportation to Cuba.​

You would think with the Reichwingers love of Cubans this wouldn't be a thing.

 

[edcoolio]

This man belongs in prison for longer than this. The judge should be thrown in jail for aiding and abetting a felon.

Let me see...

"burglarized a sporting goods store just days before the robberies to obtain the firearms"
* transporting a stolen firearm
*theft of firearm
*simple larceny

Then this scumbag robs yet another store with the firearm he stole from the first. Seriously?

I am quite sure those commenting here would not like that two-handed rifle (look at the photo) pointed at them. First rule of firearms is always treat them as if they are loaded. The police do. Prosecutors do. If you were smart and had a cannon like that pointed at you in a Blockbuster Video store with a man forcing you to beg for your life, you would as well. Then you would proceed to crap your pants.

I really don't care what he has done since. After all, he went out of his way to point that rifle at an innocent's head, and say "What’s the last thing you want to see?" Who the hell does that? Nice family men of God?? No.

Those are the words and actions of a man who went out of his way to be a threat to society, to the extreme point of threatening to murder a minimum wage clerk over $6,700.

What about the victim???? What if it was your mother, son, or daughter that had this happen to them? What about your grandma or your wife? Please, I implore you, think about that for a moment.

“He had me sitting there begging for my life and to see my family again while they were cleaning out the safe,” says Jason Kasperek, now 45. “It’s still ongoing for me, still impacting my life. I still get the same flashbacks, that same stuff. I still have that problem with him making me beg for my life. It’s something that never leaves you.”

Get it together people. He is not the good guy. Dump him off to Cuba if they will take him. If not, he needs at least another decade or two in jail to whine his thug opinion “Do I deserve what I was given initially? Absolutely not.”

At a minimum, leave him there until he realizes that stealing firearms in order to rob others at gunpoint and threaten innocent citizens with murder is not a situation where he gets a say in his "deserved" punishment.

"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."
-Unforgiven (1992)

 

[mikeymikec]

This man belongs in prison for longer than this.

A 98 year prison sentence for someone who hasn't actually hurt (in the physical injury sense) anyone?

What would you recommend if he had killed or injured anyone, 198 years?

 

[sandorski]

This man belongs in prison for longer than this. The judge should be thrown in jail for aiding and abetting a felon.

Let me see...

"burglarized a sporting goods store just days before the robberies to obtain the firearms"
* transporting a stolen firearm
*theft of firearm
*simple larceny

Then this scumbag robs yet another store with the firearm he stole from the first. Seriously?

I am quite sure those commenting here would not like that two-handed rifle (look at the photo) pointed at them. First rule of firearms is always treat them as if they are loaded. The police do. Prosecutors do. If you were smart and had a cannon like that pointed at you in a Blockbuster Video store with a man forcing you to beg for your life, you would as well. Then you would proceed to crap your pants.

I really don't care what he has done since. After all, he went out of his way to point that rifle at an innocent's head, and say "What’s the last thing you want to see?" Who the hell does that? Nice family men of God?? No.

Those are the words and actions of a man who went out of his way to be a threat to society, to the extreme point of threatening to murder a minimum wage clerk over $6,700.

What about the victim???? What if it was your mother, son, or daughter that had this happen to them? What about your grandma or your wife? Please, I implore you, think about that for a moment.

“He had me sitting there begging for my life and to see my family again while they were cleaning out the safe,” says Jason Kasperek, now 45. “It’s still ongoing for me, still impacting my life. I still get the same flashbacks, that same stuff. I still have that problem with him making me beg for my life. It’s something that never leaves you.”

Get it together people. He is not the good guy. Dump him off to Cuba if they will take him. If not, he needs at least another decade or two in jail to whine his thug opinion “Do I deserve what I was given initially? Absolutely not.”

At a minimum, leave him there until he realizes that stealing firearms in order to rob others at gunpoint and threaten innocent citizens with murder is not a situation where he gets a say in his "deserved" punishment.

"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."
-Unforgiven (1992)

Well, you should. What's the point of the Criminal Justice system other than to Reform? Not only that, but he was a Baby when he arrived in the US. The idea that Deporting him makes any sense is ridiculous.

 

[edcoolio]

A 98 year prison sentence for someone who hasn't actually hurt (in the physical injury sense) anyone?

What would you recommend if he had killed or injured anyone, 198 years?

Please read the post rather than ask a question that was already answered.

" he needs at least another decade or two in jail "

 

[edcoolio]

Well, you should. What's the point of the Criminal Justice system other than to Reform? Not only that, but he was a Baby when he arrived in the US. The idea that Deporting him makes any sense is ridiculous.

It is a "Criminal Justice" system. The purpose of the system was never to reform. The first and primary purpose of any "Criminal Justice" system is the requirement to administer justice on behalf of victims, for crimes committed by criminals. Like this man.

Regarding deportation, of course, you are entitled to your opinion.

 

[mikeymikec]

Please read the post rather than ask a question that was already answered.

" he needs at least another decade or two in jail "

My bad, but at least put that bit at the start rather than at the finish. I got as far as "what about the victim", and thought what a lot of people here would have to say about words versus actions (not that I necessarily agree with those opinions in general, but as far as jail sentences are concerned, it's definitely relevant). Your post was one long 'more of the same' until a vital point emerged to help give the rest some kind of context.

It is a "Criminal Justice" system. The purpose of the system was never to reform.

Yeah, I think that's where most people involved in that line of work would disagree with you for the most obvious of reasons: What happens to a person after they're released. A prison sentence on its own is simply negative reinforcement as well as surrounding someone in the exact kind of people who are the worst role models. If you think that's a good way to prepare someone to learn the error of their ways, you seriously need your head examined. Reform and preparing inmates for how to live properly in the outside world is what breaks the cycle of re-offending, which has been what people in that line of work have been studying for probably a century or more.

How exactly does having a person sit around for another decade automatically make them learn not to threaten people with firearms? Is there some kind of magical "Christmas Carol" scenario that occurs in prison that doesn't cost anyone anything but only happens after an inmate has been inside for more than x years?

If you don't believe in reform, you should simply advocate executing anyone who commits a crime. It's a lot cheaper, and since reform apparently is a load of rubbish then prison is simply a revolving door for most criminals. What's the point in spending time guarding them and feeding them? They're a lost cause apparently.

 

[sandorski]

It is a "Criminal Justice" system. The purpose of the system was never to reform. The first and primary purpose of any "Criminal Justice" system is the requirement to administer justice on behalf of victims, for crimes committed by criminals. Like this man.

Regarding deportation, of course, you are entitled to your opinion.

We'll just disagree on what Criminal Justice intends as well then.

 

[edcoolio]

My bad, but at least put that bit at the start rather than at the finish. I got as far as "what about the victim", and thought what a lot of people here would have to say about words versus actions (not that I necessarily agree with those opinions in general, but as far as jail sentences are concerned, it's definitely relevant). Your post was one long 'more of the same' until a vital point emerged.



Yeah, I think that's where most people involved in that line of work would disagree with you for the most obvious of reasons: What happens to a person after they're released. A prison sentence on its own is simply negative reinforcement as well as surrounding someone in the exact kind of people who are the worst role models. If you think that's a good way to prepare someone to learn the error of their ways, you seriously need your head examined. Reform and preparing inmates for how to live properly in the outside world is what breaks the cycle of re-offending, which has been what people in that line of work have been studying for probably a century or more.

How exactly does having a person sit around for another decade automatically make them learn not to threaten people with firearms? Is there some kind of magical "Christmas Carol" scenario that occurs in prison that doesn't cost anyone anything but only happens after an inmate has been inside for more than x years?

If you don't believe in reform, you should simply advocate executing anyone who commits a crime. It's a lot cheaper, and since reform apparently is a load of rubbish then prison is simply a revolving door for most criminals. What's the point in spending time guarding them and feeding them? They're a lost cause apparently.

Thank you for reading the post.

Of course people involved in that line of work agree, because that is the primary purpose of the system. It always has been, and always will be. In fact, it is the entire reason they have jobs and the criminal is in their custody to begin with.

That having been said, they would also logically agree that an IDEAL use of the time in which punitive incarceration of criminals takes place (punishment, or "Justice") would be to produce and foster a productive, non-violent, tax-paying citizen upon release. I happen to agree with that, but that was not the point of the post.

The punishment must fit the crime. His punishment does not fit the crime of felony firearms robbery, 2 counts breaking and entering, felony transport of firearms, robbery, felony robbery with a deadly weapon, and threatening murder with a deadly weapon.

You do bring up good points. Fortunately, in the criminal justice system and the real world, justice for the victim takes precedence in legal procedure over the needs of the criminal.

 

[edcoolio]

We'll just disagree on what Criminal Justice intends as well then.

I do not agree with that statement.

If people try, there is always a common ground upon which they can agree. For example, I agree with you that deporting him to a Communist state with a horrific human rights record is not an ideal first choice if I had the power to make that decision... at least I hope and assume you agree.

 

[mikeymikec]

Ok edcoolio, back to basics: what is the point of punishing someone who has done something wrong?