A couple of questions that have to be answered about Obama

Deudalus

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Ok, firstly I'll get a couple of things off my chest.

1: I have a lot of respect for a real black contender that does not ever play the race card ever. Its an ace up his sleeve that he refuses to play and for that I give him a lot of kudos.

2: That doesn't stop me from hating his fans much in the same way that I hate Yankee fans, Red Sox nation, Patriots bandwagoners, or many other annoying people. I can't stand people who don't just drink the Kool-Aid but blindly chug it and ask for seconds.


Which brings me to my poll questions asked above....

In regards to the first questions Obama pledged last year to only use the 85 million dollars alloted to candidates by the feds if his Republican counterpart would do the same. McCain has agreed to do so and stuck to it, but now that Obama seems to be capable of raising 500 million he is backpedaling from that agreement.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...ge-to-tak_n_86900.html

In regards to the second question really there is only 2 ways of seeing this issue. Obama was either a poor judge of character by befriending people like Aires, Rev. Wright, and Tony Rezko or he isn't the squeaky clean political Messiah that some make him out to be.

If you really wanna argue that neither one of these is the case feel free, but I just don't see how that's possible.
 

b0mbrman

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LOL. If I were McCain, I'd take public financing and just let the 527s blast away at Obama.

Every now and then, I'd disavow them...just to look good ;)
 

Deudalus

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Here's another feather, now what did we do with the tar?

Now, now Moonbeam.

I've heard more lucid diatribe from Jim Morrison that I've heard from you today. Please lay off the sauce or lay off the politics forum.

 

OrByte

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1. He is not stupid. if he can outfund McCain then he will and he should. If this was McCain that was raising more money from more donors across the country I would expect him to be SMART enough to make the same decision as Obama. Don't we want our President to be smart?

2. He chose to see the benefit of those relationships. He gained something from each partnership and it is up to each of us to decide exactly what that was. You aren't going to get the truth from any source about these issues. So, you either like it or don't. I think most people have their minds made up already about these relationships. And I am looking for other things to dislike Obama about because this whole "guilt by association" card is complete bullsh!t and it is an easy turn against those idiots who choose to employ such a tactic.

If you chose to question his judgement about his relationships, I think the one relationship that makes the most sense to judge Obama on is the relationship he has with his wife and family. Thats pretty much it.



 

lupi

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So the third lie recently discovered over his campign pledges.

But these all pale in comparison to misremembering a sniper story, which is why his trusthworthy numbers began tanking the last half of the primary cycle.
 

Vic

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Could the OP make his poll a little less slanted, and his sources a little less biased?

1. If he can out-fund McCain (at an average currently less than $100 per donor), then he should. I oppose public funding as it is.

2. Numerous other prominent people, including Republicans and conservatives, have been similarly associated with Rezko, Ayers, and Wright.
 

fskimospy

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Haha, nice loaded questions. Question #2: Is Obama stupid, or dirty?

I think he was foolish for making the commitment to public financing in the first place. It is certainly a knock against him that now that he finds himself with an overwhelming financial advantage that he's backing away from the promise. I understand the move tactically (he would be a fool to give it up), but it's certainly bad for him to go back on his pledge.

#2 doesn't merit a response.
 

feralkid

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Poll: How many voters will switch to McCain because of this?


A. One


B. Zero
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: feralkid
Poll: How many voters will switch to McCain because of this?


A. One


B. Zero

Outside of something akin to a video surfacing of him getting It on with his white ho', there is virtually no singular event that will decide any voter. But with 5 months of ugly campaigning comming, the cumulative effect will be substantial for all types of items that become campaign fodder.
 

midway

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A) He didn't say he would use only $85M for his campaign, he said he'd talk with McCain about it, however with the Republican 527s and McCain himself going out of his way to skirt finance laws, it would not be prudent to limit yourself when your opponent is doing everything he can in his power to get around his own law.

B1) He and Ayers aren't friends, they served on a board together, do you want to be judged on the past of everyone who you've ever had contact with?
B2) Obama was never accused of any wrongdoing with relation to Rezko, and Rezko has nothing to do with Obama's campaign (Rezko seems to be one of those political hangers on that all politicians have)
B3) Reverend Jeremiah Wright, everyone has been saying "why didn't Obama get rid of him, he was crazy!". It's a lot more difficult to get rid of a crazy friend than a crazy enemy. We all have a person we're close to who we consider to be batshit insane. We just have to use that knowledge to temper any advice they give us.
 

b0mbrman

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Text

John McCain: ?I can?t be a referee?
Drops 2004 crusade against ?527? attack ads


GOP presidential contender John McCain says he can?t control every attack ad aimed at Democrat Barack Obama and fully expects he?ll face a similar barrage, sounding the bell for a raucous general election brawl.

?I can?t be a referee of every spot run on television,? McCain told the Herald in an exclusive interview. ?I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments, but we all know there are groups who want to attack me.?

The Arizona senator?s hands-off posture on attack ads by now-infamous tax-free and unaccountable political groups called 527s marks a softening of his view on the negative campaign tactic - and opens the door to a no-holds-barred five-month scramble.

That's why.