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A Conservative Case for Voting Democratic

conjur

No Lifer
http://www.fortune.com/fortune/investing/articles/0,15114,611869,00.html?cnn=yes

Give either party complete control of government, and the vaults are quickly emptied.
By Doug Bandow


Republicans have long claimed to be fiscal tightwads and railed against deficit spending. But this year big-spending George W. Bush and the GOP Congress turned a budget surplus into a $477 billion deficit. There are few programs at which they have not thrown money: massive farm subsidies, an expensive new Medicare drug benefit, thousands of pork-barrel projects, dubious homeland-security grants, expansion of Bill Clinton's AmeriCorps, even new foreign-aid programs. Brian Riedl of the Heritage Foundation reports that in 2003 "government spending exceeded $20,000 per household for the first time since World War II."

Complaints about Republican profligacy have led the White House to promise to mend its ways. But Bush's latest budget combines accounting flim-flam with unenforceable promises. So how do we put Uncle Sam on a sounder fiscal basis?

Vote Democratic.

Democrats obviously are no pikers when it comes to spending. But the biggest impetus for higher spending is partisan uniformity, not partisan identity. Give either party complete control of government, and the Treasury vaults are quickly emptied. Neither Congress nor the President wants to tell the other no. Both are desperate to prove they can "govern"?which means creating new programs and spending more money. But share power between parties, and out of principle or malice they check each other. Even if a President Kerry proposed more spending than would a President Bush, a GOP Congress would appropriate less. That's one reason the Founders believed in the separation of powers.

Consider the record. William Niskanen, former acting chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors, has put together a fascinating analysis of government spending since 1953. Real federal outlays grew fastest, 4.8% annually, in the Kennedy-Johnson years, with Congress under Democratic control. The second-fastest rise, 4.4%, occurred with George W. Bush during Republican rule. The third-biggest spending explosion, 3.7%, was during the Carter administration, a time of Democratic control. In contrast, the greatest fiscal stringency, 0.4%, occurred during the Eisenhower years. The second-best period of fiscal restraint, 0.9%, was in the Clinton era. Next came the Nixon-Ford years, at 2.5%, and Ronald Reagan's presidency, at 3.3%. All were years of shared partisan control.

Bush officials argue that it is unfair to count military spending, but Dwight Eisenhower, Lyndon Johnson, and Ronald Reagan also faced international challenges that impeded their domestic plans. Moreover, if you do strip out military spending and consider only the domestic record, GOP chief executives emerge in an even worse light. In terms of real domestic discretionary outlays, which are most easily controlled, the biggest spender in the past 40 years is George W. Bush, with expenditure racing ahead 8.2% annually, according to Stephen Moore of the Club for Growth. No. 2 on the list is Gerald Ford, at 8%. No. 3 is Richard Nixon. At least the latter two, in contrast to Bush, faced hostile Congresses.

Given the generally woeful record of Republican Presidents, the best combination may be a Democratic chief executive and Republican legislature. It may also be the only combination that's feasible, since in 2004 at least, it will be difficult to overturn Republican congressional control: Redistricting has encouraged electoral stasis in the House, while far more Democrats face reelection in the Senate. Thus, the only way we can realistically keep Congress and the President in separate political hands is to vote for John Kerry in November.

Returning to divided government would yield another benefit as well: Greater opportunity for reform, whether of the budget process, tort liability, Medicare, Social Security, taxes, or almost anything else. Niskanen has observed that the prospects for change "will be dependent on more bipartisan support than now seems likely in a united Republican government." He points out that tax reform occurred in 1986, and agriculture, telecommunications, and welfare reform a decade later, all under divided government.

The deficit can be cut in half if Congress "is willing to make tough choices," says President Bush. But GOP legislators are likely to make tough choices only if he is replaced by a Democrat. History teaches us that divided government equals fiscal probity, so vote Democratic for President if you want responsible budgeting in Washington.



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Doug Bandow is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute and a former visiting fellow at the Heritage Foundation. He served as a special assistant to President Ronald Reagan.

From the May. 3, 2004 Issue
 
That article is right on. I would not want Kerry with a Democrat congress either, but what's happening right now is out of control spending and reckless deficits. It's shameful. I think there is a debate to be had between small and large government and associated small or large tax burden. But to offer large government with a small tax burden is a false choice and a recipe for future disaster.
 
I've been saying that for years. Nothing radical can get passed unless there is unity between Congress and the President. When there is a division the government can't screw up our lives as much.
 
I'm a Libertarian and don't have a problem voting Democratic, have plenty of times before and certainly will many times in the future. But Kerry just doesn't excite me one bit. I have the feeling the man doesn't have a soul, he's basically run as the anti-Bush and I fear if he gets elected President that he'll be a dead man walking in the White House for the next 4 years, basically a rerun of Jimmy Carter but 30 years later.
 
Originally posted by: XZeroII
So you would be happy if Bush won and the democrats got control of congress?

If they had control of congress by sufficient margin to provide a counterbalance to Bush, yes.
 
Originally posted by: XZeroII
So you would be happy if Bush won and the democrats got control of congress?

Are you going to get some Republican Senators and Congressmen to turn over their positions to Democrats?
 
borrow and spend republicans. leave no spending program behind.

yes, clinton and a republican congress at least brought some semblence of fiscal sanity.
Kerry with a Republican Congress would be just fine thank you.
 
Originally posted by: Ozoned
About this surplus your article mentions,

When was the last time the national debt decreased?

Please tell me you don't have a credit card. Surplus means you are taking in more than you are spending. It doesn't mean the national debt goes down, becuase there is interest being accrued on the debt, so you have to run a surplus higher than the interest for the debt to go down.
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Ozoned
About this surplus your article mentions,

When was the last time the national debt decreased?

Please tell me you don't have a credit card. Surplus means you are taking in more than you are spending. It doesn't mean the national debt goes down, becuase there is interest being accrued on the debt, so you have to run a surplus higher than the interest for the debt to go down.

Ozoned is zoned-out...don't bother.
 
Actually, the 2001 debt balance would have changed little, if any, except for the phony Bush tax rebates. The article refers to surpluses that would have existed today w/o the Repub sponsored phony tax "cuts". What the Repubs are doing is much the same as taking a pay cut, then running up the credit cards. Assets of those at the top receiving the greatest benefit are largely international in character, meaning that the rest of us will ultimately foot the bill...

Putting Kerry in the Whitehouse isn't enough- we need a Democratic majority in the Senate, too, so that the Bushies and friends won't be able to leave behind an uber-right judicial roster to serve as a rear guard... and so that more pressure can be brought to bear against the House Repubs to reverse some of the fiscal damage currently being inflicted...
 
Originally posted by: XZeroII
So you would be happy if Bush won and the democrats got control of congress?

Yes.

But which is more likely to happen in November? A signifcant portion of the Repubs suddenly losing their seats or Bush losing the re-election?

I think that's why the article focuses on the presidency. Bush is more likely to lose than a bunch of Repub seats in Congress.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Ozoned
About this surplus your article mentions,

When was the last time the national debt decreased?

Please tell me you don't have a credit card. Surplus means you are taking in more than you are spending. It doesn't mean the national debt goes down, becuase there is interest being accrued on the debt, so you have to run a surplus higher than the interest for the debt to go down.

Ozoned is zoned-out...don't bother.




Ok, I wont beat around the bush, I will just ask a question to express the irrelevance of your
post..

What is the relationship between the net worth of this country and the National debt?

Fiscal responsibility will never be a real issue in an election unless our debt
becomes more than a miniscual fraction of our net worth.






 
Originally posted by: Ozoned
What is the relationship between the net worth of this country and the National debt?

Fiscal responsibility will never be a real issue in an election unless our debt
becomes more than a miniscual [sic] fraction of our net worth.

It took 20 years to recover from the debts Reagan ran up and we're now back to yearly fiscal budget deficits at levels equivalent to when Bush, Sr. left office, 12 years ago.
 
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Ozoned

About this surplus your article mentions,



When was the last time the national debt decreased?



Please tell me you don't have a credit card. Surplus means you are taking in more than you are spending. It doesn't mean the national debt goes down, becuase there is interest being accrued on the debt, so you have to run a surplus higher than the interest for the debt to go down.



Ozoned is zoned-out...don't bother.









Ok, I wont beat around the bush, I will just ask a question to express the irrelevance of your

post..



What is the relationship between the net worth of this country and the National debt?



Fiscal responsibility will never be a real issue in an election unless our debt

becomes more than a miniscual fraction of our net worth.

$8T is not that miniscule. All anual federal tax receipts are $2T, so how come rightwingers don't think that's miniscule but $8T is?
 
Fiscal responsibility will never be a real issue in an election unless our debt becomes more than a miniscual [sic] fraction of our net worth.

Malarkey. It's already a real issue- debt maintenance (interest payment) already exceeds $320B/yr, 12% of federal expenditures, and will go much higher even if we quit borrowing right now, simply because interest rates are bound to rise significantly. Excluding SS, that's the third largest category of spending behind the military and all of HHS... It's actually more like 18-20% of federal revenue, given that we're currently borrowing ~$500B/yr...

It's not just an issue of net worth, as any businessman will tell you, it's also an issue of cashflow... unless, of course, we're willing to sell off assets to cover expenditures, which is what happens when the banking mafia gets you into deep water- ask the Argentines, and many other near bankrupt nations. They have very limited say in the direction of their own policy, thanks to debt and demands to service it... Are we ready for McYellowstone, or Warner Bros. Everglades theme park?

 
Originally posted by: glenn1
I'm a Libertarian and don't have a problem voting Democratic, have plenty of times before and certainly will many times in the future. But Kerry just doesn't excite me one bit. I have the feeling the man doesn't have a soul, he's basically run as the anti-Bush and I fear if he gets elected President that he'll be a dead man walking in the White House for the next 4 years, basically a rerun of Jimmy Carter but 30 years later.


One important difference. The Rubublicans don't have the majority to override Kerry vetos. So they would have to deal or languish. Stalemate is good. The really important stuff gets passed and signed and the rest dies a slow death as it should.
 
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