A Comprehensive List of John Kerry's positions

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What I don't get is why a man of Galt's intelligence would support any faith based philosophy. I sort of thought he was a man of reason. Reasons change and so too what is reasonable. Faith based notions are religious opinions pawned off as facts. I can't see voting for a nut because maybe he will lower your taxes. Makes no sense at all considering the potential for disaster.

"Thou shall not kill" is a faith-based philosophy. Do you believe the principle is unsound purely because of it's religious ties? Religion does not always equate to unreasonableness. To believe so is to be blinded by your own bigotry. Would you cut off your own nose to spite your face? Would you kill your neighbor to spite religion?

I would kill you if it was the only way I could stop you from murdering some innocent person. I try to account for the circumstances I find myself in as to how I interpret what rules applies or ignore. A stopped clock is right twice a day. So f***ing what. What good is Bush who might be right by accident. Give me a flip flopper with something of a brain over a quack.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: smashp

Bush And Kerry Are Driving buses North down a road. They both have decided to drive North and committed to it. Up Ahead the road changes. Straight ahead is a lake, to the left the road turns.

Kerry Looked at the revised situation and decided its better to drive left,

Bush showed integrity and continued to Drive the direction he committed to.

While Kerry to some may have "flip-flopped"

It was GwB who was flopping in the Water with Flipper proclaiming "I dont do Nuance"

Umm.. was that funny?

If so, how about this:

Bush And Kerry Are Driving buses North down a road. The road diverges into a 4-lane road with a median. Bush takes the right and continues on. Kerry takes the left. Ten minutes later, Kerry sees more cars to the right, see he jerks the wheel and rides rough-shod over the median to get into the right lane. Another 10 minutes later, his passenger tells him he has counted more cars back in the left now. So Kerry against crosses the median to get into the left, pulling out in front of a few cars and pissing them off. Kerry, of course, flips them off, yells, "I was here all along!" and points to the 2 dozen or so "I'm a veteran, dammit!" bumper stickers plastered all over the bus. Repeat ad nauseum until Bush pulls into the White house and Kerry has to pull into a service station to get new tires and some beef jerky.

LOL. HAHAHA! SNORT! CHORKLE! I am teh funni3st! :roll:

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: IndieSnob

*sigh* Yes the exact words 'Thou shall not kill' is faith based, but the moral/rule of not murdering is not just faith-based like you'd want to beleive.

I don't want to beleive that. Why do you assume I do?

I wish people would get over the fact that it's not the 10 commandments that bring us morals, it's that any reasonable human whether they be christian/muslim/jewish/agnostic/atheist/etc knows murder and those things are wrong.

I don't believe it was the 10 commandments that bring us moral. Why do you assume I do?

This world needs to get over this plight of without religion we'd all turn into savages. It's absolute bs.

I don't believe that. Why do you assume I do?


So basically, since I mentioned religion in my post, I am obviously a holier-than-thou Jesus-freak who thinks the world is going to hell without faith? Why don't you just go ahead and side-step your way out of this conversation, as you are missing the point entirely. Here's a nice chair for you so you can watch from the sidelines. 😉

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

I would kill you if it was the only way I could stop you from murdering some innocent person. I try to account for the circumstances I find myself in as to how I interpret what rules applies or ignore. A stopped clock is right twice a day. So f***ing what. What good is Bush who might be right by accident. Give me a flip flopper with something of a brain over a quack.

Wow, we ran right out into left field on this one, didn't we? Let me try to bring it back for you.

What I don't get is why a man of Galt's intelligence would support any faith based philosophy. I sort of thought he was a man of reason.

You have made the assumption that supporting a faithed-based philosopy and being a person of reason are mutually exclusive. Why is this? Do you consider Martin Luther King, Jr, Mother Theresa, Francis Bacon, Mohammed, etc all to be "unreasonable?" Or is it perhaps you who are unreasonable for your bias against all faith?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: IndieSnob
*sigh* Yes the exact words 'Thou shall not kill' is faith based, but the moral/rule of not murdering is not just faith-based like you'd want to beleive. I wish people would get over the fact that it's not the 10 commandments that bring us morals, it's that any reasonable human whether they be christian/muslim/jewish/agnostic/atheist/etc knows murder and those things are wrong. This world needs to get over this plight of without religion we'd all turn into savages. It's absolute bs.

No, you just need to accept the fact that the society you believe in was founded on religious principles.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

No, you just need to accept the fact that the society you believe in was founded on religious principles.

It definitely was, though fortunately the Framers had the foresight to include the Establishment Clause!

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: IndieSnob
*sigh* Yes the exact words 'Thou shall not kill' is faith based, but the moral/rule of not murdering is not just faith-based like you'd want to beleive. I wish people would get over the fact that it's not the 10 commandments that bring us morals, it's that any reasonable human whether they be christian/muslim/jewish/agnostic/atheist/etc knows murder and those things are wrong. This world needs to get over this plight of without religion we'd all turn into savages. It's absolute bs.

No, you just need to accept the fact that the society you believe in was founded on religious principles.

And those religious principles were founded on common sense.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
No, you just need to accept the fact that the society you believe in was founded on religious principles.

It definitely was, though fortunately the Framers had the foresight to include the Establishment Clause!

True, but the Establishment Clause was intended to prohibit the federal government from declaring and financially supporting a national religion, such as the ones that existed in many other countries at the time of the nation's founding. I don't think we are currently in danger of breaching this, do you?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

True, but the Establishment Clause was intended to prohibit the federal government from declaring and financially supporting a national religion, such as the ones that existed in many other countries at the time of the nation's founding. I don't think we are currently in danger of breaching this, do you?

I don't recall saying we were. I will say that I think the President's Faith-Based Initiatives are arguably violative of the Establishment Clause, in that not a dime of that money has been given to anything other than a Protestant charity - none of the tens of millions has passed to a Jewish, Muslim, Catholic charity, or any other non-Protestant organization.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: DonVito
...not a dime of that money has been given to anything other than a Protestant charity - none of the tens of millions has passed to a Jewish, Muslim, Catholic charity, or any other non-Protestant organization.

Incorrect:

Today?s announcement consists of two sets of grants. The first totals $38 million. $6.9 million -- the first installment of a three-year grant award -- will go to 14 new intermediary organizations, including the Metropolitan Council on Jewish Poverty in New York; Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma; the Governor?s Office for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives in Ohio; and Mission West Virginia, Inc. $31.1 million will be used for 31 second and third-year continuation awards from the Compassion Capital Fund Demonstration Program. The intermediaries will assist grass-root, faith and community-based organizations so they may increase their effectiveness, enhance their ability to provide social services and create collaborations to better serve those in need.

I found that in about twenty seconds - should I look for more?

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: DonVito

I don't recall saying we were. I will say that I think the President's Faith-Based Initiatives are arguably violative of the Establishment Clause, in that not a dime of that money has been given to anything other than a Protestant charity - none of the tens of millions has passed to a Jewish, Muslim, Catholic charity, or any other non-Protestant organization.

I didn't mean to imply that you did say that. Those FBCIs are not breaking the letter of the law, but they may be borderline to breaking the spirit of the law. I don't know where you got the figure that all of the funding has been granted to Protestant charities, so I can't comment on that as fact yet (although you are pretty good at not pulling facts out of thin air, I must say.) If it is true, then yes, something flaky may be going on. Perhaps the application for funding is written in such a way to encourage certain faiths or discourge others. Hmm..

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: DonVito
...not a dime of that money has been given to anything other than a Protestant charity - none of the tens of millions has passed to a Jewish, Muslim, Catholic charity, or any other non-Protestant organization.

Incorrect:

Today?s announcement consists of two sets of grants. The first totals $38 million. $6.9 million -- the first installment of a three-year grant award -- will go to 14 new intermediary organizations, including the Metropolitan Council on Jewish Poverty in New York; Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma; the Governor?s Office for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives in Ohio; and Mission West Virginia, Inc. $31.1 million will be used for 31 second and third-year continuation awards from the Compassion Capital Fund Demonstration Program. The intermediaries will assist grass-root, faith and community-based organizations so they may increase their effectiveness, enhance their ability to provide social services and create collaborations to better serve those in need.

I found that in about twenty seconds - should I look for more?

Huh - glad to see things have improved. Has the money actually been awarded? My recollection is that, as of about a month ago, all the money had gone to Christian organizations. I'm thinking I was relying on bad data, and I appreciate the correction.

 

[Jhhnn]

"What don't you understand? He said, from day one, that while he supports life, he would uphold the laws currently in place governing abortion and the rights thereof..."

Yeh, Right. First chance he gets, he'll change the complexion of the SCOTUS so radically that rights won't matter- he's already stated that Thomas and Scalia are his idea of judges, when one is just a yes man and the other an uber right ideologue...

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

I would kill you if it was the only way I could stop you from murdering some innocent person. I try to account for the circumstances I find myself in as to how I interpret what rules applies or ignore. A stopped clock is right twice a day. So f***ing what. What good is Bush who might be right by accident. Give me a flip flopper with something of a brain over a quack.

Wow, we ran right out into left field on this one, didn't we? Let me try to bring it back for you.

What I don't get is why a man of Galt's intelligence would support any faith based philosophy. I sort of thought he was a man of reason.

You have made the assumption that supporting a faithed-based philosopy and being a person of reason are mutually exclusive. Why is this? Do you consider Martin Luther King, Jr, Mother Theresa, Francis Bacon, Mohammed, etc all to be "unreasonable?" Or is it perhaps you who are unreasonable for your bias against all faith?

I didn't say I was reasonable in this way, I said that Galt is. It's Galt I figure for this bias. I don't think he's a believer.

 

[burnedout]

A bit humorous and perhaps revealing, depending upon how critical one's tastes can be.

From the New York Times

[Hat tip: The Sage of Knoxville]

But in so doing he seemed to forget that Republicans have been tearing him down for months as a vacillating, indecisive, finger-in-the-wind politician of the worst order.

"Everybody told me, 'God, if you're coming to Canonsburg, you've got to find time to go to Toy's, and he'll take care of you,'" Mr. Kerry said, dropping the name of a restaurant his motorcade had passed on the way in. "I understand it's my kind of place, because you don't have to - you know, when they give you the menu, I'm always struggling: Ah, what do you want?

"He just gives you what he's got, right?" Mr. Kerry added, continuing steadily off a gangplank of his own making: "And you don't have to worry, it's whatever he's cooked up that day. And I think that's the way it ought to work, for confused people like me who can't make up our minds."

Which now begs the question, who the hell runs this campaign?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: burnedout
A bit humorous and perhaps revealing, depending upon how critical one's tastes can be.

From the New York Times

[Hat tip: The Sage of Knoxville]

But in so doing he seemed to forget that Republicans have been tearing him down for months as a vacillating, indecisive, finger-in-the-wind politician of the worst order.

"Everybody told me, 'God, if you're coming to Canonsburg, you've got to find time to go to Toy's, and he'll take care of you,'" Mr. Kerry said, dropping the name of a restaurant his motorcade had passed on the way in. "I understand it's my kind of place, because you don't have to - you know, when they give you the menu, I'm always struggling: Ah, what do you want?

"He just gives you what he's got, right?" Mr. Kerry added, continuing steadily off a gangplank of his own making: "And you don't have to worry, it's whatever he's cooked up that day. And I think that's the way it ought to work, for confused people like me who can't make up our minds."

Which now begs the question, who the hell runs this campaign?

😀 Classic. I suppose this will be blamed on "speech writers" - no? Oh wait...

CsG

 

[BDawg]

First he was against using the military to nation build...then he was for it.
First he was for Americorp...then he was against it.
First, he said we'd turned the corner...then he was optimistically cautious.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: burnedout
A bit humorous and perhaps revealing, depending upon how critical one's tastes can be.

From the New York Times

[Hat tip: The Sage of Knoxville]

But in so doing he seemed to forget that Republicans have been tearing him down for months as a vacillating, indecisive, finger-in-the-wind politician of the worst order.

"Everybody told me, 'God, if you're coming to Canonsburg, you've got to find time to go to Toy's, and he'll take care of you,'" Mr. Kerry said, dropping the name of a restaurant his motorcade had passed on the way in. "I understand it's my kind of place, because you don't have to - you know, when they give you the menu, I'm always struggling: Ah, what do you want?

"He just gives you what he's got, right?" Mr. Kerry added, continuing steadily off a gangplank of his own making: "And you don't have to worry, it's whatever he's cooked up that day. And I think that's the way it ought to work, for confused people like me who can't make up our minds."

Which now begs the question, who the hell runs this campaign?

😀 Classic. I suppose this will be blamed on "speech writers" - no? Oh wait...

CsG

Hahahaha. You guys are making fun on Kerry for his choice of words? The guy was talking about ording food, but why let the context interupt your circle jerk? Maybe you should google "bushisms" and laugh all day, since you like this stuff.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Hahahaha. You guys are making fun on Kerry for his choice of words? The guy was talking about ording food, but why let the context interupt your circle jerk? Maybe you should google "bushisms" and laugh all day, since you like this stuff.

We would never make fun of Kerry's "choice of words." He did, after all, serve in Vietnam, I hear. To question his word choice would be...unpatriotic.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Hahahaha. You guys are making fun on Kerry for his choice of words? The guy was talking about ording food, but why let the context interupt your circle jerk? Maybe you should google "bushisms" and laugh all day, since you like this stuff.

Oh, come off your high horse! Of course we all realize the sillyness in this. But we can laugh at it just as easily as we can laugh at Bush-isms. You seem to be the one who wants to act indignant. At least burnedout had the decency to post this under an old thread, instead of creating an entirely new topic for such a trivial piece of 'news." :roll:

 

[burnedout]

Moving right along, as Carville and company cringe, Senator John Kerry tells it like it is:

''Today marks a tragic milestone in the war in Iraq; more than 1,000 of America's sons and daughters have now given their lives on behalf of their country, on behalf of freedom, the war on terror,'' Kerry said as he arrived in Cincinnati on a campaign stop.

Boston Globe

 

[Carbo]

Man, the Dems and Libs are very sensitive these days! Make one criticism about their boy Heinz, and they begin twitching and trembling. Easy, boys. You made him your candidate. Now, you have to watch him crash and burn. It'll be over soon enough.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

I didn't say I was reasonable in this way, I said that Galt is. It's Galt I figure for this bias. I don't think he's a believer.

Stop trying to peek into my mirror, sir. You already see everything.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: Carbo
Man, the Dems and Libs are very sensitive these days! Make one criticism about their boy Heinz, and they begin twitching and trembling. Easy, boys. You made him your candidate. Now, you have to watch him crash and burn. It'll be over soon enough.

🙂