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Zeze

Lifer
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I've gotten the same way with computers too. As much as it's fun building a new box I find it's a lot of money and I don't have a need to upgrade as much now days.

I like to kind of look back at when I was a kid though. I remember always dreaming of having my own server room and servers and stuff, and bam, I have it now. In fact it's a bit more than I ever expected to have. I have 2 full height server racks lol. Mind yo one is practically empty, but still. It will probably mostly be used for power equipment once I upgrade my power stuff. Rackmount rectifiers etc.
Oh my crap, you just made me realize my false logic. As I got older, I no longer need to spend $$$ on PC anymore. PCs are plain fast enough to start off, and we have other devices to browse, and I don't game bleeding edge graphics anymore or play any games period.

So I thought I was at least saving money. Then I realized I spend stupid $$ on my smartphones ($500-600). I mean holy hell, I can get some serious PC with that money every 2-3 yrs.
 

Chaotic42

Lifer
Jun 15, 2001
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I had a flip phone from 2011-2014 and then got a Galaxy S5. It started to die, so I got an S9+ a couple of weeks ago. Other than it failing, I can't see why I'd upgrade it in the next 5+ years. PC and phone technology just isn't that interesting any more.
 
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Muse

Lifer
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I had a flip phone from 2011-2014 and then got a Galaxy S5. It started to die, so I got an S9+ a couple of weeks ago. Other than it failing, I can't see why I'd upgrade it in the next 5+ years. PC and phone technology just isn't that interesting any more.
I only upgrade my phone when absolutely necessary (usually phone-death). My most modern PC is the one I'm using which is from 2007.

I had a roommate who would only upgrade with fairly recently obsolete equipment. He'd look for killer deals. I think that's the best bang for the buck way to do it.
 

Chaotic42

Lifer
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I only upgrade my phone when absolutely necessary (usually phone-death). My most modern PC is the one I'm using which is from 2007.

I had a roommate who would only upgrade with fairly recently obsolete equipment. He'd look for killer deals. I think that's the best bang for the buck way to do it.
Yeah, my main thing was getting a nice camera with my phone, which means I won't be buying a new digital camera. I've slowed my PC upgrading, but when proper 8K over DP 1.5 comes out, I'll jump.
 

Mai72

Lifer
Sep 12, 2012
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We tend to buy crap we don't need, to only be held hostage because we now have to work even harder to pay it all off. Then we get old and wonder why we didn't enjoy life more, and then regret creeps in.

I don't live fancy. I've made that decision when I went to visit my dead mother in the hospital. Life is extremely short. We are all going to die. IMO, people need to stop trying to get fullfillment thru buying "things." I like nice things and I like working, but not to the point that it holds me hostage. I want to get out and experience life. Travel the world. Stuff like that. Difficult to do when your bills and holding you hostage.
 

Muse

Lifer
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We tend to buy crap we don't need, to only be held hostage because we now have to work even harder to pay it all off.
I never fell into that trap. If I can't pay for it upfront, I don't buy it.

Making a buck was so tough I could never see the sense of buying stuff I didn't need or very much want.
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
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I have organizing principles and I can usually find something when I need to, but it often takes me a lot more time than it should, which just proves that I'm not organized enough. I'm working on it, I have a lot of things to do!!!

For quite some time some years ago I was thinking to myself, "how can I get organized?" I sought answers and one day I encountered (probably online) a guy whose whole thing was helping people get organized. He had genuine energy, was fresh, and I checked it out. I was some ways into his presentation and he drops a line that hit it and then he just continued with his presentation as if he hadn't even said it... but it stuck in my head and it took less than 5 seconds! He said "categorize it, if you can categorize it, you can organize it."


That does make a lot of sense, Most of the time when I don't know where to put something is because it has no place to go to in first place. Once I can categorize and make sure everything has it's place and that it's logical, boom, I can organize. I'm kinda not doing anything about it for now because I want to finish my garage to the point where I can work in there all year round. One of my first projects will be organizer systems. Essentially a custom drawer system with boxes to organize small items. I'll come up with a standard unit of measurement so it's fully modular. This will be good not only for parts, but for tools too. If I wanted to be anal I could even barcode each box so when I remove one from a drawer I can scan it with a custom app and it tells me what drawer it goes in. Barcode the drawers too so I know which chest it goes to. The drawers would fit in any chest so I can reorganize stuff if I want. Saw a youtube video of someone who did this in his shop and it's a brilliant idea. Because it's custom built, you're not relying on a product that you have to buy where they stop making it after a while so the whole system is consistent when you expand. You can even paint them different colours too.
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
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I never fell into that trap. If I can't pay for it upfront, I don't buy it.

Making a buck was so tough I could never see the sense of buying stuff I didn't need or very much want.

I'm the same way, I don't use credit for things I don't need, I only use credit for emergencies. Sometimes I might use credit if I know I have money coming in soon like tax return or whatever, but generally I try to avoid that just in case that money does not come in for a reason or the other.

Though right now I have about 1k on my credit line. I kinda went overboard when I built my mining rig and I can't seem to clear the credit line. Every time I pay most of it off I end up dipping into it again for bills. So I'm paying a couple hundred bucks on it every month at most. Basically every end of month pay cheque I don't see, because that's when the property taxes come out and that takes up most of the pay cheque. Eventually I need to consider moving out of city jurisdiction since the taxes were go up every year, it's nuts.
 

snoopy7548

Diamond Member
Jan 1, 2005
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Depreciation only matters if you need to sell it. I've had 2 cars in my 40 years of life. How about, actually loving the car you drive everyday?

100% this. I've had two cars since I started driving - my first was given to me at 16 from my dad, and I got a brand new (cheap) car about five years later which I still drive to this day. It's nearing 11 years but has been paid off for like 9 years, and it runs well and I still enjoy driving it. I've been wanting to upgrade but I see no real reason other than some additional usability. It's nice driving a car you really don't care about dinging up or throwing bags of mulch in the back seat, and nobody wants to steal it (and probably can't because it's a standard... :D).
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
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The biggest issue I have with buying a new car is the total cost, when a used will cost like 1/10th of the price and get the same job done. I rather put that kind of money towards the house or other toys as I can enjoy it longer and more often.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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That does make a lot of sense, Most of the time when I don't know where to put something is because it has no place to go to in first place. Once I can categorize and make sure everything has it's place and that it's logical, boom, I can organize. I'm kinda not doing anything about it for now because I want to finish my garage to the point where I can work in there all year round. One of my first projects will be organizer systems. Essentially a custom drawer system with boxes to organize small items. I'll come up with a standard unit of measurement so it's fully modular. This will be good not only for parts, but for tools too. If I wanted to be anal I could even barcode each box so when I remove one from a drawer I can scan it with a custom app and it tells me what drawer it goes in. Barcode the drawers too so I know which chest it goes to. The drawers would fit in any chest so I can reorganize stuff if I want. Saw a youtube video of someone who did this in his shop and it's a brilliant idea. Because it's custom built, you're not relying on a product that you have to buy where they stop making it after a while so the whole system is consistent when you expand. You can even paint them different colours too.

I think a big thing is first separating out your living space (or working space) from your storage spaces. The whole point is that you want to use a room (kitchen, workshop, etc.) for specific purposes, without it being unusable due to having piles of stuff on the usable surfaces like walkways, furniture, and tables.

From there, how detailed you want to get with storage really depends on your preferences. Like, I have a bucket of screwdrivers that I've collected over the years in a zillion different sizes...I don't feel the need to inventory each one because I've probably got at least two in each size & can just root around the bin until I find the right one. However, I also have a 27-gallon tote with various wires in ziploc gallon freezer bags, and I DO inventory that because then I can just look up what I need on my spreadsheet to see if I have it, so if I need something like a Mini DisplayPort to HDMI cable, I can instantly know whether I have it or not.

One trick I've been using lately is something I stole from the culinary world - bun racks! A bun rack is basically a poor man's version of a rolling tool cart, like the ones they sell at Home Depot. The bun rack approach has several benefits:

1. Relatively cheap: Around $80 for a full-size rack, plus the costs of pans & any bins you want. Compared to a decent shop cart, which can run $500 for a big unit or into the thousands for a really good-quality one. Plus these are vertical units, so you can fit a couple tall racks in place of a single wide shop cart.

2. Huge storage capacity: It can fit 20 full-size sheet pans (or 40 half-size sheet pans) & is just under 70" tall.

3. Adjustable: There are shelves every 3 inches, so you can adjust how much headroom each rack has. Some items I just stick directly on the tray and some items I put in plastic bins on the tray. Super useful for all kinds of stuff like shop tools, R/C gear, craft supplies, etc.

4. Easy to relocate: Nice big swiveling caster wheels (non-marking) & lightweight design, so if you're working on a project, you can pull out the cart with the tools you need & then roll it back into storage easily.

5. Durable: Everything is made out of metal. Metal rack & metal trays.

6. Visual: It's an open rack, so you can just look at the pans to see what your inventory is. You don't have to pull open a bunch of cabinets to find something, just look at each pan until you find what you need. Then just slide the pan partway out, grab what you need, and slide it back.

Here's an example:

https://www.webstaurantstore.com/re...n-sheet-pan-rack-unassembled/109RACKECON.html

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Depreciation only matters if you need to sell it. I've had 2 cars in my 40 years of life. How about, actually loving the car you drive everyday?

The fuq are you saying? You're proving my point? If you understand the concept of depreciation, you understand that when most people sell their cars (~5 years) is PRECISELY just after the majority of depreciation has occurred. That isn't healthy for anyone's budget, yet it's the uninformed that do it the most

Yes, I am in the same boat. I'll drive my 2006 Acura until the wheels fall off.
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
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Those bun racks do look pretty cool actually. Could even be useful if working on multiple projects at once, you can put a project away and work on another.

The idea I have in mind for storage is that each room would have storage that is relevant, but for stuff that does not need to be accessed a lot, it would go in the crawlspace. I evnetually also want all my tools to be in one place, right now it's a mess, mostly because I can't access my garage from inside the house so some end up in the garage while others end up in the house and they're never at the place I need them. So I want to eventually cut out a door in the living room wall so I can get to the garage. Then I would store all tools there.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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Those bun racks do look pretty cool actually. Could even be useful if working on multiple projects at once, you can put a project away and work on another.

The idea I have in mind for storage is that each room would have storage that is relevant, but for stuff that does not need to be accessed a lot, it would go in the crawlspace. I evnetually also want all my tools to be in one place, right now it's a mess, mostly because I can't access my garage from inside the house so some end up in the garage while others end up in the house and they're never at the place I need them. So I want to eventually cut out a door in the living room wall so I can get to the garage. Then I would store all tools there.

Yeah, I keep my small stuff like Arduino & Pi boards on it. Got a shelf for wiring stuff (multi-meter, soldering iron, alligator clips, etc.), got one for hand tools, cleaning tools, and so on. Doesn't look as nice as a shiny shop cart, but then again, a shiny 40" Snap-on roll cart is over $2k & the bun rack system is a couple hundred bucks with the cart & some trays & bins & what have you.
 

pete6032

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Dec 3, 2010
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I would like to keep my smartphones longer but the battery life is substantially reduced after 2 years and many shops have stopped swapping batteries thanks to most phones being awful to tear apart and replace them.
 

Mai72

Lifer
Sep 12, 2012
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The fuq are you saying? You're proving my point? If you understand the concept of depreciation, you understand that when most people sell their cars (~5 years) is PRECISELY just after the majority of depreciation has occurred. That isn't healthy for anyone's budget, yet it's the uninformed that do it the most

Yes, I am in the same boat. I'll drive my 2006 Acura until the wheels fall off.

Was watching a young YTber and he's a multimillionaire and owns a lambo. He has been getting a ton of sh*t lately from people who keep telling him that he's wasting his money on these exoctic cars. Then, he brought up a good point. Those exoctic cars make him more money, and that's because his brand is online marketing. So, when he's promoting his courses like selling on Amazon, personal branding, affiliate marketing, and other online courses he shows his expensive cars. Potential buyers see these expensive cars and they get excited. So, they in turn buy one of his courses for $499. It's marketing 101, and it's extremely effective. Think back to those late night info commercials. Same concept. Market to the lizard brain.
 

madoka

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Potential buyers see these expensive cars and they get excited. So, they in turn buy one of his courses for $499. It's marketing 101, and it's extremely effective.

I also thought that if I bought expensive cars, ATOT would think my posts were awesome and shower me with CoolCoins. But these cheap bastards haven't given me a single one, even though they are worthless! (The coins; not my posts.)
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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Well that's just un-American :screamcat:
Yeah, I realize that the whole damn country would fall to pieces if everyone was like me. But that doesn't mean I should change what I'm doing.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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I would like to keep my smartphones longer but the battery life is substantially reduced after 2 years and many shops have stopped swapping batteries thanks to most phones being awful to tear apart and replace them.
Yeah, I miss that in my current phone, an Alcatel Idol 4S. I had a spare battery for my first smart phone (Nokia 520) and would swap out. I don't know if it's possible to replace the battery in the Alcatel short of having a shop do it. I keep the phone in airplane mode 95% of the time, so battery life isn't super big deal for me.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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I would like to keep my smartphones longer but the battery life is substantially reduced after 2 years and many shops have stopped swapping batteries thanks to most phones being awful to tear apart and replace them.
I just bought a phone several classes below what I could afford to have a replaceable battery. Non removable consumable parts is bullshit. That model only works because most people are frivolous balls of fluff, and replace their Chinese shit to get the newest Chinese shit that does the same thing their old Chinese shit did. I'd pay $2k for a phone that did what I wanted, but I doubt I'll ever see it.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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The biggest issue I have with buying a new car is the total cost, when a used will cost like 1/10th of the price and get the same job done. I rather put that kind of money towards the house or other toys as I can enjoy it longer and more often.


Where are you buying used cars at one tenth the msrp?
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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Yeah, I miss that in my current phone, an Alcatel Idol 4S. I had a spare battery for my first smart phone (Nokia 520) and would swap out. I don't know if it's possible to replace the battery in the Alcatel short of having a shop do it. I keep the phone in airplane mode 95% of the time, so battery life isn't super big deal for me.


... No incoming call, no data, why do you even bother carrying it?