A Christian taliban in America?

[db]

Is it possible that if certain powerful people/groups have their way, we could wind up essentially with a Christian taliban making and carrying out law here in America?

 

[AFB]

Possible :thumbsdown:

And flame bait - take it to P&N

 

[FoBoT]

no. religious people in the USA support a secular government

 

[Toastedlightly]

Get out of my OT!

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: db
Is it possible that if certain powerful people/groups have their way, we could wind up essentially with a Christian taliban making and carrying out law here in America?

Sure... but then again, you could also have a non-Christian taliban. What's your point (if any)?

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
no. most religious people in the USA support a secular government

Fixed

 

[db]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy
Possible :thumbsdown:

And flame bait - take it to P&N

"Politics and News": where does it say "religion" in Politics and News?
If you don't like the topic, don't post.

 

[her209]

The laws are already being changed... 😉

 

[aswedc]

Depends on what you mean by Taliban. If its a religious group controlling all aspects of power in a country and forcing its agenda on everyone else without any attempt to compromise, I'd say we already have a "Christian Taliban". If you mean a Taliban as far as the extremity of its views, no, all the significant religious groups in this country are far more moderate.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: aswedc
Depends on what you mean by Taliban. If its a religious group controlling all aspects of power in a country and forcing its agenda on everyone else without any attempt to compromise, I'd say we already have a "Christian Taliban".

HAHAHAHA. Oh wait, you're serious, aren't you?

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: aswedc
Depends on what you mean by Taliban. If its a religious group controlling all aspects of power in a country and forcing its agenda on everyone else without any attempt to compromise, I'd say we already have a "Christian Taliban".

HAHAHAHA. Oh wait, you're serious, aren't you?

the libs are a bunch of sad sacks thinking that 4 more bush years means the end of the world

things aren't going to change much in the short term

 

[db]

It concerns me that there are those who want to ignore the wall between church and state, and impose religious law on everybody. And, Fundies always seem to want to punish people--what's up with that?

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: db
It concerns me that there are those who want to ignore the wall between church and state, and impose religious law on everybody. And, Fundies always seem to want to punish people--what's up with that?

Where is this "wall" you speak of in our national law? Oh, that's right, it doesn't exist. Nice try, though.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: db
ignore the wall between church and state, and impose religious law on everybody.

wall? what wall? i'll check my constitution for this "wall"

Article [I.]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

i don't see anything about a "wall"

 

[db]

You can play semantics if you want to. You never heard of seperation?

 

[aswedc]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: aswedc
Depends on what you mean by Taliban. If its a religious group controlling all aspects of power in a country and forcing its agenda on everyone else without any attempt to compromise, I'd say we already have a "Christian Taliban".

HAHAHAHA. Oh wait, you're serious, aren't you?

I'd like you to tell me what part of this statement you'd disagree with:

If its a religious group - Don't you dare tell me the Bush administration isn't a religious group

controlling all aspects of power in a country - Executive, check, Legislative, check, Judicial, soon to be check

and forcing its agenda on everyone else without any attempt to compromise - When is the last time Bush was a uniter rather than a divider? The only time I can think of in the past four years was his victory speech.

What was the Taliban other than all of the above, other than its particularily extreme views? I've already said the extremism would never happen in this country.

 

[Toastedlightly]

Originally posted by: db

Originally posted by: amdfanboy
Possible :thumbsdown:

And flame bait - take it to P&N

"Politics and News": where does it say "religion" in Politics and News?
If you don't like the topic, don't post.

Taliban = government, right? Government = politics? Thankyou, and goodnight.

 

[db]

"I am the P&N Nazi. Keep it there, or I will get you"
P&N Taliban, heh! 😉

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: db
You can play semantics if you want to. You never heard of seperation?

Article [I.]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

i don't see "seperation" in there

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: aswedc

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: aswedc
Depends on what you mean by Taliban. If its a religious group controlling all aspects of power in a country and forcing its agenda on everyone else without any attempt to compromise, I'd say we already have a "Christian Taliban".

HAHAHAHA. Oh wait, you're serious, aren't you?

I'd like you to tell me what part of this statement you'd disagree with:

If its a religious group - Don't you dare tell me the Bush administration isn't a religious group

controlling all aspects of power in a country - Executive, check, Legislative, check, Judicial, soon to be check

and forcing its agenda on everyone else without any attempt to compromise - When is the last time Bush was a uniter rather than a divider? The only time I can think of in the past four years was his victory speech.

What was the Taliban other than all of the above, other than its particularily extreme views? I've already said the extremism would never happen in this country.

If this nation truly has this oppressive Christian majority that you imagine, tell me: Why is abortion still legal?

You could argue that our country is becoming more Christian, but it is hardly a fundamentalist/extremist takeover. If you think Bush's Christianity is extreme, you need to take a few deep breaths and calm down.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: db
You can play semantics if you want to. You never heard of seperation?

Article [I.]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

i don't see "seperation" in there

He must be confusing the Constitution with a statement Thomas Jefferson made in a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association of Connecticut in which he wrote:

"I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State."

Too bad Jefferson's personal letters are not the final authority in America 😉

(Even worse is that his writings have been taken out of context so many times).

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: aswedc
Depends on what you mean by Taliban. If its a religious group controlling all aspects of power in a country and forcing its agenda on everyone else without any attempt to compromise, I'd say we already have a "Christian Taliban".

HAHAHAHA. Oh wait, you're serious, aren't you?

the libs are a bunch of sad sacks thinking that 4 more bush years means the end of the world

things aren't going to change much in the short term

How about the people who thought Kerry would have closed every Christian church in the country?

 

[aswedc]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: aswedc

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: aswedc
Depends on what you mean by Taliban. If its a religious group controlling all aspects of power in a country and forcing its agenda on everyone else without any attempt to compromise, I'd say we already have a "Christian Taliban".

HAHAHAHA. Oh wait, you're serious, aren't you?

I'd like you to tell me what part of this statement you'd disagree with:

If its a religious group - Don't you dare tell me the Bush administration isn't a religious group

controlling all aspects of power in a country - Executive, check, Legislative, check, Judicial, soon to be check

and forcing its agenda on everyone else without any attempt to compromise - When is the last time Bush was a uniter rather than a divider? The only time I can think of in the past four years was his victory speech.

What was the Taliban other than all of the above, other than its particularily extreme views? I've already said the extremism would never happen in this country.

If this nation truly has this oppressive Christian majority that you imagine, tell me: Why is abortion still legal?

You could argue that our country is becoming more Christian, but it is hardly a fundamentalist/extremist takeover. If you think Bush's Christianity is extreme, you need to take a few deep breaths and calm down.

I suppose you missed the two other times I've said religion in America is not extreme. However, even though it is not a "fundamentalist/extremist" takeover, it is a religious takeover.

 

[db]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: db
You can play semantics if you want to. You never heard of seperation?

Article [I.]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

i don't see "seperation" in there

Why don't you explain about religion in our Constitution and Bill of Rights, since you're the legalist.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: aswedc
I suppose you missed the two other times I've said religion in America is not extreme. However, even though it is not a "fundamentalist/extremist" takeover, it is a religious takeover.

Even if that were true, it hardly rivals (much less comes close to) a taliban-esque regime. Nice try.