http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/16/us/snake-salvation-pastor-bite/
The power of brainwashing. His snake handling church will continue, members of his church will probably just say god wanted him in heaven or some other coping mechanism they come up with to try and deal with the fact that reality just smacked them all across the face again (he's not the first idiot snake handler preacher to die). So much for Mark 16:18.
The power of brainwashing. His snake handling church will continue, members of his church will probably just say god wanted him in heaven or some other coping mechanism they come up with to try and deal with the fact that reality just smacked them all across the face again (he's not the first idiot snake handler preacher to die). So much for Mark 16:18.
Im sure it will be something along the lines of he sold his soul to make money on a crappy reality show and so god punished him by making one of the snakes bite him. And then their is also refusing medical treatment.
Some people just arent very bright.
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I will tell you what it is. It is a poorly written, badly translated, terribly proof read, anthology. And it may have more mistakes than your post does, per passage.
There is a rare collectable version of the bible called the wicked bible. It has the glaring typo 'Thou shall commit adultery".
I knew the tyme when great care was had about printing, the Bibles especially, good compositors and the best correctors were gotten being grave and learned men, the paper and the letter rare, and faire every way of the beste, but now the paper is nought, the composers boyes, and the correctors unlearned.
- George Abbot, the Archbishop of Canterbury
I will tell you what it is. It is a poorly written, badly translated, terribly proof read, anthology. And it may have more mistakes than your post does, per passage.
There is a rare collectable version of the bible called the wicked bible. It has the glaring typo 'Thou shall commit adultery".
I knew the tyme when great care was had about printing, the Bibles especially, good compositors and the best correctors were gotten being grave and learned men, the paper and the letter rare, and faire every way of the beste, but now the paper is nought, the composers boyes, and the correctors unlearned.
- George Abbot, the Archbishop of Canterbury
I don't know how far a quote from someone who lived 500 years will get you, especially during a time in which translators are better educated than when "narrow-minded" clergy forced their views on people under threat of death by torture.
When people translated the Bible into the laguages of others, it weakend the power of those who controlled the Bible.
dphantom
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I will tell you what it is. It is a poorly written, badly translated, terribly proof read, anthology. And it may have more mistakes than your post does, per passage.
There is a rare collectable version of the bible called the wicked bible. It has the glaring typo 'Thou shall commit adultery".
I knew the tyme when great care was had about printing, the Bibles especially, good compositors and the best correctors were gotten being grave and learned men, the paper and the letter rare, and faire every way of the beste, but now the paper is nought, the composers boyes, and the correctors unlearned.
- George Abbot, the Archbishop of Canterbury
Which is why scholars go back to the oldest greek or Aramaic versions where possible.
I have yet to read any book that did not have at least one typo in it. So I would not put too much concern over a typo in any versions of the Bible.
You'd think god would proof read his inspried work before being sent out to the masses
dphantom
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You'd think god would proof read his inspried work before being sent out to the masses
He did.
Leave it to us imperfect creatures to mess up His Word.
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You'd think god would proof read his inspired work before being sent out to the masses
He did.
You'd think an omniscient being would have no trouble preventing imperfect creatures from messing up his word.
I got that and I don't disagree that Bible history spans about 4000 years (although there is a "period of silence" before Christ that's about 400 years). What I'm trying to say is, it's hard to argue that the Bible was vague due to space constraints when it doesn't come anywhere close to trying to give equal space in describing those years. Most of it's blown on the first few chapters on Genesis.
What the Old Testament does is give a lot of detailed history about the Israeli people starting from Abraham, but very little world history before that. There's a small collection of myths to stories to attempt to explain some things in the world (where everything comes from, why seashells show up on mountains, why people speak a bunch of different languages) and establish God as a big and powerful entity. But you could hardly call it a real attempt at world history, even limited by the scope of what people would ever be willing to read. If the point was to be relevant to everyone in the world then I think it has actually done a terrible job condensing information.
I didn't say the Bible was vague, you did. I said that it "omits" certain details that apparently would miss the point the bible is trying to convey. For instance, the world was evidently around for billions of years before the book of Genesis was written and if we grant that God created it, it would span volumes giving us all of the scientific lingo before finishing up chapter one.
Yet, I think the primary concern was how God dealt with Israel and the start of that nation. That's how can the Bible stay consistent because it's constructed in such a fashion.
Once we understand what the message of the Bible is, then you'd see clearly why it focuses exclusively on Israel.
You're treating the Bible as if it's a world history book...I think you're making a category error.
If that was the point, you'd be right. But from the very beginning concerning the "seed" in Genesis 3:15, the point was apparently to focus of the outworking of the coming of Jesus and salvation, and spreading the message to the rest of the world.
That's why Israel was chosen, because Jesus would come through the Jews, and that's what it focuses on. Dabbling off into "world history" has nothing to do with that focus, and why we don't see it there.
The Bible becomes "relevant" when you grasp the message. The only time anything is relevant to anyone, is when it's purpose is understood.
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You'd think an omniscient being would have no trouble preventing imperfect creatures from messing up his word.
why would He make us do specific things? he provided us free will so we can do as we wish. Otherwise, God just created a bunch of robots.
So he created humanity so the vast majority of us (non christian) can burn in hell forever?
JEDIYoda
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so you agree there is a hell....God provided a way to save you...
Yet you refuse to take hold of that way.....which of course is your free will to do so...
The way I see it you have no right to blame god...it`s your fault....and decision...
No, I don't believe there is a heaven or hell. If there is an afterlife, I don't think it has anything to do with christianity. Remember, the christian god has known us before we were formed in the womb, he is omnipotent and created this vast universe in just seven days. Why can't he get his message across to even a majority of humanity? If the bible is true, I don't see the christian god as loving at all, but more of a sadomasochist.
Of course, I don't believe any of it. I am just trying to imagine how the story of the christian god is about a loving god.
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Dude can't even get his message across to his own Followers.
Disclaimer: If "he" existed.
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You'd think an omniscient being would have no trouble preventing imperfect creatures from messing up his word.
He doesn't have to make you do anything specific. He doesn't have to take away your free will. But you'd think if such a being existed, he'd be able to communicate better.
What, a several thousand year old book full of contradictions and lies / inaccuracies isn't good enough for you? I mean, how could you get confused with passages like this? (for the christians here, let me know which of these passages is incorrect please
:whiste: )1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud
1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,
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What, a several thousand year old book full of contradictions and lies / inaccuracies isn't good enough for you? I mean, how could you get confused with passages like this? (for the christians here, let me know which of these passages is incorrect please
1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud
1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,
It becomes obvious very quickly that we've learned a lot since that book was written, and rewritten. It's become a bit of a joke by this point. If you teach kids using outdated textbooks don't be surprised when the outdated education they receive can't compete with those who keep up to date.
Look I'm not saying there isn't a diety, just that if there is one and you want to learn about the nature of the universe and reality, the scientific method of observe first, hypothesize an explanation for that observation later is better than the reverse (religious) method of hypothesize first observe later.
P.S. In case it's not clear, I realize you were being sarcastic I just wanted to answer your post anyway to keep the discussion going.
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Cerpin Taxt
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Who said anything about making people do things? How about he just makes it so people can't sin? He already made it so people can't breathe water. He already made it so people can't see infrared with their naked eyes. He already made it so that people can't fly by flapping their arms.
There are already tons and tons of things that people can't do, but we're not robots. So why would we suddenly become robots if the list of things we can't do included "sin"?
Removing the freedom to sin would not remove the freedom to choose ham or jam for breakfast. Your reasoning does not follow.
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The Irony in the whole Free Will argument is that Salvation is essentially the giving up of Free Will.
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Indeed. At lease 1 of these 3 must be true:
1.) There is free will and sin in Heaven.
2.) There is no free will in Heaven and no sin.
3.) It is possible for people to have free will and not sin.
Ahh...the good ole "Free Will with Consequences" bit. Sounds wonderful. Sign me up.
"God has given you free will and a way to save your soul." sounds a lot better than, "God has given you free will, but if you don't think in this one certain way you'll burn forever in eternal torment."
The whole free will argument doesn't add up to me. It isn't free will if there are consequences for using it, is it?
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Oh it's more absurd than that. You have the freedom to do whatever you want. including such depraved acts as murder, rape and torture. As long as you say Jebus is your savior you're ok though and will go to heaven because you have a nice soul. Whatever that is.
But if you don't agree Jebus owns your ass and bow down before him, even if you're a perfectly moral ethical bloke otherwise, you're going to burn in hell you disgusting sick heathen.
Make sense? Anyone who believes that left their brain at the door.
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