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sandorski

sandorski

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schmuckley said:
Look at the images from that link:Tell me how many are real.
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Look,It's like this:
God made the world,but people turned from him and pursued wickedness.
So God made a flood to purge the world
It made fossils and wiped some species out
Then life slowly progressed to what we have today;People turning from God,A world ready for another flood.Thx
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Yet there's no evidence of such an event. I also note that you don't really know the Flood Story, it claims there will not be another flood, that's what the rainbow is all about.
 
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Exophase

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schmuckley said:
So God made a flood to purge the world
It made fossils and wiped some species out
Then life slowly progressed to what we have today;A world ready for another flood.Thx
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The flood wiped some species out even after God directed Noah and his family to collect at least two of every kind of land animal and bird? Or are you referring to species of water animals, or organisms that aren't animals at all?

Either way sounds like sloppy work on God's part. Try to save every species but still wipe out some for some reason.

If we're ready for another global flood it's a good thing God promised to never do another one. Then again, kind of a small consolation given the other methods of mass destruction he promises to use in times to come..
 
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schmuckley

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Don't worry;The end times must be near with all the scoffers.
It sucks;I thought I'd never see these kind of days yet:Here I am.
Why are kids going crazy? Oh..maybe because spanking was outlawed?
Proverbs 13:24

King James Version (KJV)

24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.


There weren't as many problems before spanking was outlawed.
Kids have no limits or discipline nowadays.No God=no hope,no reason to do right.Do what you want,there's no afterlife with repercussions for your actions. ( I don't believe that)
The next flood will be of fire;probably Iranian nukes.
 
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Exophase

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So no clarification on these species wiped out by the flood?

Spanking isn't outlawed in the United States, or most other countries for that matter (with some notable exceptions).
 
sandorski

sandorski

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schmuckley said:
Don't worry;The end times must be near with all the scoffers.
It sucks;I thought I'd never see these kind of days yet:Here I am.
Why are kids going crazy? Oh..maybe because spanking was outlawed?
Proverbs 13:24

King James Version (KJV)

24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.


There weren't as many problems before spanking was outlawed.
The next flood will be of fire;probably Iranian nukes.
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The only ones scoffing are the Creationists scoffing at the mountains of Evidence. It is not the fault of Science that the Biblical accounts are wrong.

An interesting take on the subject
 
PowerEngineer

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sandorski said:
As we have discussed before in this very thread, it is difficult to know what evidence would be convincing. However, if your god exists as you or theists define it, surely that god would know what would convince me or any Atheist.
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dphantom said:
He does know. You are rejecting it. The fault is not in God but in ourselves for not accepting His existence.
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dphantom said:
It is not God's job to convince you. He has given you everything necessary to come to Him. It is you who are rejecting God for any number of reasons. But that is not God's fault. You have free will to reject Him.
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At some level you must realize that your statements are inconsistent. If god has really given each of us "everything necessary" to believe in him, then we all would be believers. That "everything necessary" would by definition include whatever was needed to overcome any personal reasons for rejection (whatever you think those might be).

It may well be that the "everything necessary" in my case includes the equivalent of being felled by a beam of light accompanied by the voice of god as it was for Saul. I'd like to think that I'm worth the extra effort too.

I'll let you know when(if) that happens. ;)
 
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Exophase

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And whether or not there's an afterlife, there are actual consequences for actions in this life. Maybe there are things you can get away with that you wouldn't be able to if an all-knowing deity was watching you and waiting to judge you. But that sort of fear isn't necessary for all people to have some compassion for how they impact others regardless of what they get away with. You shouldn't need a promise of heaven to care about the world around you and act accordingly.

Being motivated by unobservable things also sets a dangerous precedent for morality. Rules for how you should behave need no rational justification outside of it being what God wants and your salvation being contingent on it. Murders have been justified not only on religious grounds but even because it was believed that killing the person would save them from eternal damnation.
 
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soulcougher73

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schmuckley said:
Don't worry;The end times must be near with all the scoffers.
It sucks;I thought I'd never see these kind of days yet:Here I am.
Why are kids going crazy? Oh..maybe because spanking was outlawed?
Proverbs 13:24

King James Version (KJV)

24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.


There weren't as many problems before spanking was outlawed.
Kids have no limits or discipline nowadays.No God=no hope,no reason to do right.Do what you want,there's no afterlife with repercussions for your actions. ( I don't believe that)
The next flood will be of fire;probably Iranian nukes.
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Retro Rob

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sandorski said:
Yet there's no evidence of such an event..
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Not necessarily. There could have been a flood of gigantic proportions many thousands of years ago dating from one of the Pluvial Periods, and the earth is something around 71% covered in water.

Additionally, mammoths (which became completely extinct about 4500 years ago, coinciding with the Biblical Flood) and saber-toothed cats all suddenly, according to an article I was just reading, completely disappeared from North America and Europe.

Note: This isn't to say that the Biblical Flood happened with certainty, but with evolutionary uniformitarianism, evidence could simply be misinterpreted (not saying it is).

Just a thought. :)

Regardless if anyone accepts this or not doesn't matter to me personally. But we have evidence which could suggest a global flood as being a distinct possibility.
 
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sandorski

sandorski

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Rob M. said:
Not necessarily. There could have been a flood of gigantic proportions many thousands of years ago dating from one of the Pluvial Periods, and the earth is something around 71% covered in water.

Additionally, mammoths (which became completely extinct about 4500 years ago, coinciding with the Biblical Flood) and saber-toothed cats all suddenly, according to an article I was just reading, completely disappeared from North America and Europe.

Note: This isn't to say that the Biblical Flood happened with certainty, but with evolutionary uniformitarianism, evidence could simply be misinterpreted (not saying it is).

Just a thought. :)

Regardless if anyone accepts this or not doesn't matter to me personally. But we have evidence which could suggest a global flood as being a distinct possibility.
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No, there is no evidence of it.
 
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Retro Rob

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schmuckley said:
Yep,so why do some refuse to accept there was a great flood?
There's plenty of evidence for it.
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I'm sure you've already done this, but I look into information that doesn't follow evolutionary orthodoxy as regards global cataclysms and that causes me to think critically about the subject.

I didn't post the information I did to debate it, but I'm leaving it there for the benefit of others.
 
jackstar7

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Because it gets ignored: the God of the Christian bible is a monster.

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (I Samuel 15:2-3)

Yup. Infants need to be destroyed... because... an all-powerful god fears them? Or is there some other reason?


EDIT: And that doesn't even get into the part where God commands that people shall not murder. What is it when someone kills a baby? I'm pretty sure it can only be called murder... but maybe a lawyer can chime in with an alternative answer.

So which is it with this god: don't murder anyone; or murder when I tell you to murder?
 
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sandorski

sandorski

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jackstar7 said:
Or hallucinated, or lied about bedding someone else, or... you know... things that have and actually do happen.

But you stick to what seems "most likely" to you.
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True, but according to the Biblical account she consented. I suspect that none of it happened or he and she just got a little carried away and....
 
dphantom

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sandorski said:
True, but according to the Biblical account she consented. I suspect that none of it happened or he and she just got a little carried away and....
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If you in fact do agree she consented, then why did you post an obvious falsehood? I guess I don't understand the fascination with the idea that some atheists would love to have had Mary raped. She very clearly consented.
 
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