A Big "I Told You So" from Me to You

[Phokus]

??The U.S. capability to make a mess of Iran?s nuclear infrastructure is formidable,? says veteran Mideast analyst Geoffrey Kemp. ?The question is, what then?? NEWSWEEK has learned that the CIA and DIA have war-gamed the likely consequences of a U.S. pre-emptive strike on Iran?s nuclear facilities. No one liked the outcome. As an Air Force source tells it, ?The war games were unsuccessful at preventing the conflict from escalating.??

-The CIA

Bombing Iran would just be invading Iran anyway, and profjohn is still retarded

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: yllus
Last I checked, the Guardian Council was still intact and Iran was still a dictatorship. What fix have the Iranians managed to accomplish that you are "telling us so" about? Are you predicting the imminent downfall of the Islamic regime in Iran?

yup... i'm about 80% sure the regime is gonna fall.

I hope you are correct.....

My bet is on Ayatollah and friends crushing the opposition.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: eits
like i've said many, many times before to the conservatives and neocons in this forum who kept talking about us invading iran over the development of nukes or the threat to israel or getting ahmadinejad out of power, etc, the iranian people will fix their own country. it isn't our place to interfere. iirc, about a year or two ago, i gave it about four or five years for there to be a revolt against the government.

no one believed me at the time, but here we are.

i just wanted to toot my own horn 🙂

your really good at this "self" ownage stuff........

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: eits
yup... i'm about 80% sure the regime is gonna fall.

What advantage do you think protesters have over their own military? They might have numbers, but _EVERYONE_ who stands up to lead them will have their family taken, if not butchered, and held against them.

These protestors will get hungry, and then they'll go back to work so they can feed themselves. The Iranian regime will stay in power.

 

[eits]

[deleted]

you fail. people have been calling for an attack on iran for a long time now and overthrowing the regime. it's not some outlandish claim that needs to be proven. it's something you can easily look up for yourself if you doubt it.

it's like saying 5+5=10 and you saying "whoa, prove it" and me telling you to look it up for yourself because you should already know it.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: eits
like i've said many, many times before to the conservatives and neocons in this forum who kept talking about us invading iran over the development of nukes or the threat to israel or getting ahmadinejad out of power, etc, the iranian people will fix their own country. it isn't our place to interfere. iirc, about a year or two ago, i gave it about four or five years for there to be a revolt against the government.

no one believed me at the time, but here we are.

i just wanted to toot my own horn 🙂

your really good at this "self" ownage stuff........

"you're"

and i think you meant to quote your bf profjohn... not me.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: eits
yup... i'm about 80% sure the regime is gonna fall.

What advantage do you think protesters have over their own military? They might have numbers, but _EVERYONE_ who stands up to lead them will have their family taken, if not butchered, and held against them.

These protestors will get hungry, and then they'll go back to work so they can feed themselves. The Iranian regime will stay in power.

at some point, the protest will get very bloody at which point the iranians will ask the world for support. the world will answer.

the reason why this is different than a regular coup is because the military isn't siding with the people and the military isn't going to violently overthrow the regime. they're using the regime in order to get integrated into power... they're symbiotic.

this fire will not die until the current regime goes up in flames.

persians are extremely relentless when they're passionate about something and the death of neda is something they will NOT let be in vain.

neda's death = adding fuel to the iranian protest fire... imagine what the rodney king beating did to l.a., except now imagine it being a little girl and she was shot in the heart and died in her father's arms.

 

[nullzero]

Yeah I say the Iranian government gets overthrown. I am sure their are already covert operations underway for supplying weapon caches to the protesters.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: nullzero
Yeah I say the Iranian government gets overthrown. I am sure their are already covert operations underway for supplying weapon caches to the protesters.

Considering our history in 1953 and 1979, that would be the worst possible outcome. The uprising needs to be seen as an Iranian uprising, not US meddling.

 

[eits]

neda's death will not be in vain

 

[SilentRunning]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: bamacre
I cannot recall anyone calling for an invasion of Iran. Maybe a troll?

The only things most have called for, or supported, are economic sanctions, and/or possible strikes against nuclear installations. But these ideas, and aggression toward Iran in general, were not bound to one party. The only people who have called for leaving Iran alone are those non-interventionists that some like to call "isolationists." Or, also aka, Paulbots, Paultards.

go to search and type in "invade iran"... you'll find enough threads where people are calling for an invasion. profjohn was calling for bombing iran which, by some delusion, is NOT the same as going to war with iran... as if bombing another nation isn't an act of war.

So Clinton started the Iraq War...that bastard.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: eits
at some point, the protest will get very bloody at which point the iranians will ask the world for support. the world will answer.

The world writes strongly worded letters. Who cares?

the reason why this is different than a regular coup is because the military isn't siding with the people and the military isn't going to violently overthrow the regime. they're using the regime in order to get integrated into power... they're symbiotic.

this fire will not die until the current regime goes up in flames.

persians are extremely relentless when they're passionate about something and the death of neda is something they will NOT let be in vain.

neda's death = adding fuel to the iranian protest fire... imagine what the rodney king beating did to l.a., except now imagine it being a little girl and she was shot in the heart and died in her father's arms.

The Iranian regime will make a million more Neda's if necessary. What are the people willing to do to match this?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: eits
at some point, the protest will get very bloody at which point the iranians will ask the world for support. the world will answer.

The world writes strongly worded letters. Who cares?

the reason why this is different than a regular coup is because the military isn't siding with the people and the military isn't going to violently overthrow the regime. they're using the regime in order to get integrated into power... they're symbiotic.

this fire will not die until the current regime goes up in flames.

persians are extremely relentless when they're passionate about something and the death of neda is something they will NOT let be in vain.

neda's death = adding fuel to the iranian protest fire... imagine what the rodney king beating did to l.a., except now imagine it being a little girl and she was shot in the heart and died in her father's arms.

The Iranian regime will make a million more Neda's if necessary. What are the people willing to do to match this?

i dunno. we'll find out.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: eits
at some point, the protest will get very bloody at which point the iranians will ask the world for support. the world will answer.

The world writes strongly worded letters. Who cares?

the reason why this is different than a regular coup is because the military isn't siding with the people and the military isn't going to violently overthrow the regime. they're using the regime in order to get integrated into power... they're symbiotic.

this fire will not die until the current regime goes up in flames.

persians are extremely relentless when they're passionate about something and the death of neda is something they will NOT let be in vain.

neda's death = adding fuel to the iranian protest fire... imagine what the rodney king beating did to l.a., except now imagine it being a little girl and she was shot in the heart and died in her father's arms.

The Iranian regime will make a million more Neda's if necessary. What are the people willing to do to match this?

Why haven't they? Because the Iranian leadership knows extreme bloodshed like that is a losing proposition. Right now the only ones commiting the violence is the basij. I've read that police and Iranian military aren't taking sides and the police are arresting people from both sides. If they pushed the envelope too far, there's no telling what would happen to the regime (probably bad things).

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: eits
like i've said many, many times before to the conservatives and neocons in this forum who kept talking about us invading iran over the development of nukes or the threat to israel or getting ahmadinejad out of power, etc, the iranian people will fix their own country. it isn't our place to interfere. iirc, about a year or two ago, i gave it about four or five years for there to be a revolt against the government.

no one believed me at the time, but here we are.

i just wanted to toot my own horn 🙂

Why don't you toot it after they've actually taken over the government. They are NOWHERE CLOSE. Riots with tear gas police does not a new government make. I hope you aren't this premature in bed... 😉

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: eits
like i've said many, many times before to the conservatives and neocons in this forum who kept talking about us invading iran over the development of nukes or the threat to israel or getting ahmadinejad out of power, etc, the iranian people will fix their own country. it isn't our place to interfere. iirc, about a year or two ago, i gave it about four or five years for there to be a revolt against the government.

no one believed me at the time, but here we are.

i just wanted to toot my own horn 🙂

Why don't you toot it after they've actually taken over the government. They are NOWHERE CLOSE. Riots with tear gas police does not a new government make. I hope you aren't this premature in bed... 😉

haha even if i was, it'd be the best 1 minute your mom ever had 😉

seriously though, they're at the point of no return. either they will pull a pakistan and create their own country or they will overthrow the government by force.

 

[nullzero]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: nullzero
Yeah I say the Iranian government gets overthrown. I am sure their are already covert operations underway for supplying weapon caches to the protesters.

Considering our history in 1953 and 1979, that would be the worst possible outcome. The uprising needs to be seen as an Iranian uprising, not US meddling.

I am pretty sure we are already doing it through a inside source from Iraq. If the CIA makes it look like its are hands clean, and put up a front like an Iraqi general's idea that is covertly supplying weapons from the armory's of the Iraqi police and army...

All it takes is a couple Iranian revolutionaries crossing the border into Iraq and talking to the right Iraqi's to get the go ahead from the CIA.

We have never kept our hands clean with conflicts in the middle east. Now with our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan their is no way our military leaders are going to let this opportunity pass them up. This is a neo con's wet dream. I say what the hell give them weapons because someone else will or they will get slaughtered.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: eits
at some point, the protest will get very bloody at which point the iranians will ask the world for support. the world will answer.

The world writes strongly worded letters. Who cares?

the reason why this is different than a regular coup is because the military isn't siding with the people and the military isn't going to violently overthrow the regime. they're using the regime in order to get integrated into power... they're symbiotic.

this fire will not die until the current regime goes up in flames.

persians are extremely relentless when they're passionate about something and the death of neda is something they will NOT let be in vain.

neda's death = adding fuel to the iranian protest fire... imagine what the rodney king beating did to l.a., except now imagine it being a little girl and she was shot in the heart and died in her father's arms.

The Iranian regime will make a million more Neda's if necessary. What are the people willing to do to match this?

i dunno. we'll find out.

One death is a tragedy.. a million is a statistic.. Guess who said that? In any case, lets see how the big "I told you so" works out... I'm predicting not too well..

 

[TechAZ]

I really hope EITS isn't an actual practicing chiropractor. What an embarrassment to the prestigious back cracking industry. Please tell us you're just a secretary.

At any rate, sure there might have been a few people calling for the INVASION of Iran, but hardly a measurable percentage to claim that the "neo-cons" wanted to invade. You do know the difference between a few well placed bombs and an invasion right?


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YHPM

Senior Anandtech Moderator
Common Courtesy

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: TechAZ
I really hope EITS isn't an actual practicing chiropractor. What an embarrassment to the prestigious back cracking industry. Please tell us you're just a secretary.

At any rate, sure there might have been a few people calling for the INVASION of Iran, but hardly a measurable percentage to claim that the "neo-cons" wanted to invade. You do know the difference between a few well placed bombs and an invasion right?

a few well placed bombs would solidify power behind those who have it now?

 

[Moonbeam]

Ready fire aim

 

[JD50]

Bombing a country is not even remotely close to invading a country, might want to edit your OP.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I don't see any neocones advocating the invasion of Iran in those thread.

The first was posted by Techs... when did he become a neocon?? 😕

ohh look it minces words too.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...ab=arc&highlight_key=y

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...ab=arc&highlight_key=y

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ohh and look right from the horses mouth

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...ab=arc&highlight_key=y <--- pj saying we will bomb iran. pj is a neocon

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Ok, it seems almost inevitable that we are going to bomb Iran sooner or latter.

So I have a few question and concerns involving this.
1. Will we find a ?smoking gun? linking Iran to the Iraq fighting? And more specifically to the killing of Americans.
2. Do you think Bush needs to find a ?smoking gun? before he approves an attack, or can he do it without one?
3. Would a limited attack on Iranian nuke sites be enough to get Iran to rethink its Iraq interference, or would a more substantial bombing be needed?
4. Anyone want to guess at the odds of us attacking Iran are?

/thread

Pants on Fire! Pants on Fire! :shocked:

Johnnie's lyin' ass gets p'ownd again in his efforts at revisionist history.

In 2004 and 2005 the Contard Nation was falling all over themselves to inflict serious damage on Iran. In actuality it began in 2002 with the Bush *Axis of Evil* ...

Gosh, yah think it might have anything to do with that 136 billion barrels of oil reserves?

RIF

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: TechAZ
I really hope EITS isn't an actual practicing chiropractor. What an embarrassment to the prestigious back cracking industry. Please tell us you're just a secretary.

At any rate, sure there might have been a few people calling for the INVASION of Iran, but hardly a measurable percentage to claim that the "neo-cons" wanted to invade. You do know the difference between a few well placed bombs and an invasion right?

Apparently not, and he's not alone.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Phokus
??The U.S. capability to make a mess of Iran?s nuclear infrastructure is formidable,? says veteran Mideast analyst Geoffrey Kemp. ?The question is, what then?? NEWSWEEK has learned that the CIA and DIA have war-gamed the likely consequences of a U.S. pre-emptive strike on Iran?s nuclear facilities. No one liked the outcome. As an Air Force source tells it, ?The war games were unsuccessful at preventing the conflict from escalating.??

-The CIA

Bombing Iran would just be invading Iran anyway, and profjohn is still retarded

I'm not getting your point... seriously you need to stop tooting your anti-republican horn because individual opinions of bombing Iran are not entirely a republican concept.

The DoD, CIA, DIA, essentially the U.S. Government throughout history, has always created invasion and strategic plans for many countries, no matter how likely or unlikely such scenarios would ever have a real need. It's just how our government thinks - have a plan so we can get the ball rolling fast in the event we feel we need to police the world. It's a U.S. concept, far from partisan in any conceivable way, so drop the bullshit. If you want to attack the concept of being the world's police, be my guest, bash U.N. for all I care because they do a terrible job and we like to try and do what the U.N. fails to accomplish. I'm all for a more isolationist approach - screw the world, we need to fix our problems before worrying about others. But, that's the issue with having allies. Great for when the shit really hits the fan, but allies always want to help their allies with the little problems, even when it's only in their region. We'll never change the fact the Israel is locked in with an eternal struggle against the Middle East due to the fact radical Islam interpretations basically forces that situation.

And with that said, we are trying to be the world's police in backing the U.N. treaties and resolutions regarding nuclear capabilities. Since the U.N. wants no more nuclear countries, we want no more nuclear countries. Granted, we're barking down Iran's door about the issue while completely turning a blind eye to Israel shunning the U.N. regarding nuclear capability, so that's another topic that needs addressing.

But the partisan bullshit is tiresome. And further reason why I have no hope for our government because I have no hope for the people who seem prepared to go to war with the other party. Goddamn we need something other than the 2 party system. It completely encourages the never-ending cycle of terrible government due to the lack of logical behavior and apathy from the voters.