A Baseball Rarity

[venk]

Originally posted by: konichiwa
On Baseball Tonight they said that the pitcher can't be on the mound for the Hidden Ball trick to work, but I thought it was not on the rubber...since when is the mound of any significance when it comes to dead balls/balks/etc?

Anybody know what's the real deal?

The pitcher has to be off the rubber to throw to a base so he only has to be off the rubber for the tag to work.

 

[cherrytwist]

Haha you said rubber.

 

[bradruth]

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/NASApp/m...=1165621&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla

 

[brikis98]

mlb.com has the video clip now.

 

[Toasthead]

Hidden ball tricks throughout the years

 

[Toasthead]

I believe the announcers are right...they pitcher cannot be on the mound without the ball. That was the way I was always taught it...I am trying to find it in the rulebook now...

 

[iamme]

The last time the hidden-ball trick was executed perfectly was, coincidently, by Lowell on Sept. 15, 2004, also in Miami.

haha, guess they didn't learn.

 

[Gamingphreek]

While, it is pretty cool that it worked and all.

I think it is pretty damn cheap to be using that in the majors. Maybe in the minors and in your little intra-mural leagues and stuff, but professionals doing this is just plain cheap.

-Kevin

 

[platinumike]

ooo.. i wanna see it. Anyway to see it ont he net?

 

[dethman]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
While, it is pretty cool that it worked and all.

I think it is pretty damn cheap to be using that in the majors. Maybe in the minors and in your little intra-mural leagues and stuff, but professionals doing this is just plain cheap.

-Kevin

hehe nicely done. hey if it's a perfectly legal play, then it's not cheap at all. it's just part of the game.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
While, it is pretty cool that it worked and all.

I think it is pretty damn cheap to be using that in the majors. Maybe in the minors and in your little intra-mural leagues and stuff, but professionals doing this is just plain cheap.

-Kevin

Uh why? Everytime a runner takes a lead off a base they are taking a risk. If they didn't want to risk anything, they could all just stand on the base until the ball is back into the air again.

 

[platinumike]

I dont see whats wrong with it, they are pros, they should be able to do anyone on the face of the earth can and more.

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: Toasthead
I believe the announcers are right...they pitcher cannot be on the mound without the ball. That was the way I was always taught it...I am trying to find it in the rulebook now...

Pitcher can be on the mound but not on the pitching rubber. Rule 8.05i.

 

[YetioDoom]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
While, it is pretty cool that it worked and all.

I think it is pretty damn cheap to be using that in the majors. Maybe in the minors and in your little intra-mural leagues and stuff, but professionals doing this is just plain cheap.

-Kevin

Should fly balls be automatic outs? It's the majors, losing the ball in the sun is a plain cheap way to get on base.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: dethman

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
While, it is pretty cool that it worked and all.

I think it is pretty damn cheap to be using that in the majors. Maybe in the minors and in your little intra-mural leagues and stuff, but professionals doing this is just plain cheap.

-Kevin

hehe nicely done. hey if it's a perfectly legal play, then it's not cheap at all. it's just part of the game.

Yep, they caught them napping. One of the first things they teach you is that you should never step off the bag between plays unless the pitcher is on the mound or time is called. They caught Terrero and the third base coach sleeping, nothing wrong with that.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: Toasthead
I believe the announcers are right...they pitcher cannot be on the mound without the ball. That was the way I was always taught it...I am trying to find it in the rulebook now...

Pitcher can be on the mound but not on the pitching rubber. Rule 8.05i.

I think it's more specific than that; the way I was taught it, he can't get anywhere near the rubber. So usually they say you can't get on the mound to avoid any confusion.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: Toasthead
I believe the announcers are right...they pitcher cannot be on the mound without the ball. That was the way I was always taught it...I am trying to find it in the rulebook now...

Pitcher can be on the mound but not on the pitching rubber. Rule 8.05i.

I think it's more specific than that; the way I was taught it, he can't get anywhere near the rubber. So usually they say you can't get on the mound to avoid any confusion.

that's got to be the vaguest specific rule ever then.

 

[Toasthead]

yeah I keep reading people who back me up...the pitcher cannot be on the dirt portion of the mound. Maybe thats what 'Astride the pitchers plate' means, from 8.05i

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Toasthead
yeah I keep reading people who back me up...the pitcher cannot be on the dirt portion of the mound. Maybe thats what 'Astride the pitchers plate' means, from 8.05i

why do they make rules like this when obviously they are still on the mound after they throw a pitch ? I'd imagine they'd need a lot of "except whens"...

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: rh71
that's got to be the vaguest specific rule ever then.

(i) The pitcher, without having the ball, stands on or astride the pitcher's plate or while off theplate, he feints a pitch;

There you go, ass 😛

 

[rh71]

^ what does 8.05 say ? That's just an addendum (i) indicating they [assumingly cannot] stand on or straddle (either side) the pitching rubber. Where else does it mention the mound ?

 

[kranky]

8.05 is pretty long, so instead of pasting it, please check the link here.