A $35,000 MSRP Base Honda Civic (Gas Engine)

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: venkman

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: venkman
Kids coming out of college won't by cars? People whose cars break down won't by cars? People won't upgrade cars, but cars are always needed. You are right, a premium will boost up used cars and that will bring prices down some but the foreign companies still have to deal with the higher costs.

What higher costs? You're the one telling us that they will have much lower employee costs.

Supplier issues that cause Toyota to dedicate resources to either bailing out the suppliers or taking the production in house.

Proof of supplier issues? Now, you're making stuff up. If anything, with the Big 3 gone, there will be more suppliers which will create a more competitive environment for materials which will lower the manufacturing costs of building a car.

Just how many cars/trucks do you think the Big 3 sell annually? Here's a clue, GM is constantly doing battle with Toyota for the #1 Automaker and Ford isn't too far behind them. If they all go down. All the current suppliers will have a huge amount of lost contracts, forcing them to either cut production or die off all together. Sure those that are currently supporting Toyota/Honda/etc. will survive with scaled back production, but it's still a huge hit.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: venkman

Originally posted by: JS80

Wrong, at that point there will be a premium to used cars or people will just not buy new cars.

Kids coming out of college won't buy cars?

People whose cars break down won't buy cars?

With what money?

All the jobs went overseas.

 

[venkman]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman


No, they will retool and sell their products to Foreign auto-companies.

re-tooling requires money. Who is going to provide it, you?

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Math wrong. $35k? Try one MILLION dollars for a new civic. I'm sure of it. I ran the numbers.

The numbers may be slightly exaggerated, but the effect is all but certain.

Slightly, haha

Learn something about cars.

Nobody will pay for that, they'll simply keep driving what they make. Oh, they can't buy the parts? Sorry, there are plenty of third party parts suppliers; I often don't buy OEM parts for my cars. Who would buy a $35k civic when they can buy something from Europe for less?

To what job?

I'm not talking about putting a spoiler and an R-Type Decal on your civic. I'm talking about parts that exclusively produced by one company that either makes up the entire industry or holds a patent on a part mold. Think it's going to be easy for Toyota to acquire?

foreign imports that have foreign supplier networks will be imported to the US en mass. Up goes the trade deficit.

 

[StageLeft]

Think it's going to be easy for Toyota to acquire?

Why wouldn't it be? If a domestic manufacturer doesn't need it they'll have an entire room of molds for sale.

 

[evident]

you r dumb

 

[So]

Originally posted by: venkman
This is the future you all wanted. Without the domestic competition and with suppliers dropping like flies, the foreign car companies will not be able to meet the demand of the new market share meaning prices will skyrocket for cars.
Hondas have always been expensive
Without the UAW around, the foreign car companies will go slash and burn on their own employees salaries and benefits.
Good, auto workers get payed about 50% too much
Supply Goes Down, Demand Goes Up means car prices sky rocket.
Riiiight. The koreans, germans, british, and the american car companies that aren't being raped by the UAW will still compete and supply

Enjoy

We will be ok eventually, soon we will be able to afford the $8,000 cars coming from China. Wal mart is your new used car salesman.

 

[venkman]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Think it's going to be easy for Toyota to acquire?

Why wouldn't it be? If a domestic manufacturer doesn't need it they'll have an entire room of molds for sale.

They aren't Costco. It's not like Toyota can just swipe their AMEX and take their 2% cash back. I buy material, I promise material supplier money, I build product, I sell product to GM, GM promises me money, but they don't pay. I can't play bills to material supplier, materiel supplier doesn't give me more material to build more product because they fear my bankruptcy. A simplified example to get my point across.

I suppose I could get a loan to pay the material supplier, oh wait....

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

LOL.

This is just a scare tactic.

Failboat.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: venkman

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: venkman

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: venkman
Kids coming out of college won't by cars? People whose cars break down won't by cars? People won't upgrade cars, but cars are always needed. You are right, a premium will boost up used cars and that will bring prices down some but the foreign companies still have to deal with the higher costs.

What higher costs? You're the one telling us that they will have much lower employee costs.

Supplier issues that cause Toyota to dedicate resources to either bailing out the suppliers or taking the production in house.

Proof of supplier issues? Now, you're making stuff up. If anything, with the Big 3 gone, there will be more suppliers which will create a more competitive environment for materials which will lower the manufacturing costs of building a car.

Link

When the big three go, the suppliers will quickly go. What happens to a business who provides a product and suddenly, the company that bought the product no longer exists to pay their bill. What happens when that customer is the vast majority of your business?

No, they will retool and sell their products to Foreign auto-companies.

So do you think that the foreign automakers will just come in buy all the closed dealerships, make more contracts with suppliers to pick up the slack after losing the big 3, rehire the hundreds of thousands of laid off Big3 and everything will be a-ok? That's pretty delisional if you ask me.

 

[Svnla]

LOL @ OP and people like him....35K Civics...why stop there, the sky will fall and all will end the day the big 3 go bankrupt ..don't you know?

News for you: Foreign auto workers are making decent money.

BTW, wrong forum, P&N is --------> that way

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: venkman

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: venkman

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: venkman
Kids coming out of college won't by cars? People whose cars break down won't by cars? People won't upgrade cars, but cars are always needed. You are right, a premium will boost up used cars and that will bring prices down some but the foreign companies still have to deal with the higher costs.

What higher costs? You're the one telling us that they will have much lower employee costs.

Supplier issues that cause Toyota to dedicate resources to either bailing out the suppliers or taking the production in house.

Proof of supplier issues? Now, you're making stuff up. If anything, with the Big 3 gone, there will be more suppliers which will create a more competitive environment for materials which will lower the manufacturing costs of building a car.

Link

When the big three go, the suppliers will quickly go. What happens to a business who provides a product and suddenly, the company that bought the product no longer exists to pay their bill. What happens when that customer is the vast majority of your business?

No, they will retool and sell their products to Foreign auto-companies.

So do you think that the foreign automakers will just come in buy all the closed dealerships, make more contracts with suppliers to pick up the slack after losing the big 3, rehire the hundreds of thousands of laid off Big3 and everything will be a-ok? That's pretty delisional if you ask me.

I didn't say that every company won't fail or there won't be unemployed people. Do you believe that increase in foreign manufacturing plants being built in the US currently and additional ones to meet demand won't necessitate the need for additional suppliers? I say yes and that these companies will help fill the void.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
No, they will retool and sell their products to Foreign auto-companies.

So do you think that the foreign automakers will just come in buy all the closed dealerships, make more contracts with suppliers to pick up the slack after losing the big 3, rehire the hundreds of thousands of laid off Big3 and everything will be a-ok?

That's pretty delusional if you ask me.

That's pretty much standard fare in here.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
No, they will retool and sell their products to Foreign auto-companies.

So do you think that the foreign automakers will just come in buy all the closed dealerships, make more contracts with suppliers to pick up the slack after losing the big 3, rehire the hundreds of thousands of laid off Big3 and everything will be a-ok?

That's pretty delusional if you ask me.

That's pretty much standard fare in here.

Yep, and you're the poster child.

Wrong on oil and gas
Wrong on milk
Wrong on companies moving completely out of the US to Thailand
Wrong that no companies are hiring
etc

Dave, why do you hate America? When are you leaving?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
No, they will retool and sell their products to Foreign auto-companies.

So do you think that the foreign automakers will just come in buy all the closed dealerships, make more contracts with suppliers to pick up the slack after losing the big 3, rehire the hundreds of thousands of laid off Big3 and everything will be a-ok?

That's pretty delusional if you ask me.

That's pretty much standard fare in here.

From the guy charged with a felony for trying to track down space aliens. I was looking for my irony. I've found it!

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
No, they will retool and sell their products to Foreign auto-companies.

So do you think that the foreign automakers will just come in buy all the closed dealerships, make more contracts with suppliers to pick up the slack after losing the big 3, rehire the hundreds of thousands of laid off Big3 and everything will be a-ok?

That's pretty delusional if you ask me.

That's pretty much standard fare in here.

From the guy charged with a felony for trying to track down space aliens. I was looking for my irony. I've found it!

:laugh:

 

[SunnyD]

The sky is falling!

 

[dbk]

How's the demand for automobiles these days?
Don't you think there will still be competition even without the domestic producers?
You can't just lump them all into one group like "foreign" and say they'll raise prices - it's not a monopoly or an oligopoly for that matter.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
No, they will retool and sell their products to Foreign auto-companies.

So do you think that the foreign automakers will just come in buy all the closed dealerships, make more contracts with suppliers to pick up the slack after losing the big 3, rehire the hundreds of thousands of laid off Big3 and everything will be a-ok?

That's pretty delusional if you ask me.

That's pretty much standard fare in here.

From the guy charged with a felony for trying to track down space aliens. I was looking for my irony. I've found it!

:laugh:

Wait, seriously? That's hilarious! I need a link, STAT!

 

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: venkman
When the big three go, the suppliers will quickly go. What happens to a business who provides a product and suddenly, the company that bought the product no longer exists to pay their bill. What happens when that customer is the vast majority of your business?

OP, please get your head out of your butt and get some knowledge/facts before you are making a fool out of yourselves.

Big "lever 1 or tier 1" suppliers that work with the big 3 also work with foreign auto companies, they also have other businesses beside automobile.

Suppliers such as Johnson Controls, Lear, just to name a few. They also work with Honda in Maryville, OH, Toyota in San Antonio, TX, Nissan in Miss, and on and on.

Pssst, do you know Johnson Controls and its subiadry also work in fields such as Building Managment, Batteries, Industry Management, ect?

<<-----spent a few years with GM and auto industry

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: PottedMeat
How the hell did this turd crawl out of the P&N toilet?

:laugh:

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
No, they will retool and sell their products to Foreign auto-companies.

So do you think that the foreign automakers will just come in buy all the closed dealerships, make more contracts with suppliers to pick up the slack after losing the big 3, rehire the hundreds of thousands of laid off Big3 and everything will be a-ok?

That's pretty delusional if you ask me.

That's pretty much standard fare in here.

From the guy charged with a felony for trying to track down space aliens. I was looking for my irony. I've found it!

:laugh:

Wait, seriously? That's hilarious! I need a link, STAT!

The dumbass puts it in his sig and is looking for a bailout.

http://www.freemcowen.com/

 

[feralkid]

Stants to Venkman: "You never studied."


P.S. This is not "the future we all wanted." Most of the public wants a bailout under certain conditions; such as having Detroit come up with an actual plan, and maybe even paying us back some day.

 

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Wow. Even by ATOT standards the ignorance of that is truly astounding.

 

[LS21]

so this means my car will appreciate in value


....excellent....

 

[venkman]

well, f--- it. I'm tired of all this crap, i don't give a bleep what happens to the big 3 and this entire country anymore.