A “real” user proves Windows 8 fails on the desktop

[NetGuySC]

If Microsoft wants this os to be accepted, it better provide this manual with the os when it is sold.

I see windows 8 as the equilivent of Microsoft making a car with no steering wheel and no gear lever. It may be the best thing since sliced bread, but if the masses can't quickly and easily make the car move even 1" and will need to buy an expensive manual to learn how to get it to even move, then I wouldn't expect allot of sales.
But hey, I may be wrong, but it would seem that my computer experience since the early 80's with using a total of 10+ different operating systems would fascilitate my transition to windows 8 from windows 7, but it doesn't.

 

[wirednuts]

I consider myself an advanced computer user and have been nothing but frustrated with windows 8. I've loaded it twice and it just doesn't click with me. Yeah I know.. different OS / interface... it's more than that. I keep hoping that Microsoft has a surprise awaiting us that would make windows 8 make sense, like some now type of new input method, that you could treat your desktop as a tablet with new hardware that recognizes your hand and finger gestures.

All I am sure of is this, since windows 3.1 I have been extremely excited with anticipation of every new release of windows, but I have no excitement whatsoever at all about Windows 8. In fact, this release has me worried about Microsoft's future.

they are doing the right thing. one os for all devices. that is the most important part. (just thought of it too, no wonder they never abandoned 32bit)

now, why they completely removed the traditional UI, and not made metro just an addon layer like aero was, i dont know. i think they took away any chance that win8 will be a business OS by doing that. but then again, most of us always complain that windows is not streamlined enough, and its always bloated, so removing any extra bits you can should be a good thing.

think of it this way too- say win8 DID have aero still in it, and businesses COULD upgrade if they wanted to. WHY would they? they just got win7 installed and tested, after holding onto winxp as long as they possibly could. heck, many offices still use xp. what would win8 bring that win7 doesnt? honestly i think that answer is nothing.

so, taking those points into consideration, it makes a lot of sense what ms is doing with win8. am i going to leave win7 though? not on my laptops and desktops. no way. but you think win8 is gonna keep me from buying an arm based windows tablet? no way in hell, i cant wait for those!

 

[6string]

This is a dumb test, old people are not going to run out and upgrade to windows 8. New technology is adapted by younger kids then the younger kids teach old folks how to use.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Yeah, and I for one can't wait for all the calls I'm going to get from old folks about teaching them to use their new Win8 PC's.

 

[dagamer34]

Yeah, and I for one can't wait for all the calls I'm going to get from old folks about teaching them to use their new Win8 PC's.

Shouldn't be any different from phone calls like this "Is it ok to delete the 'Program Files' folder? I never use it."

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Shouldn't be any different from phone calls like this "Is it ok to delete the 'Program Files' folder? I never use it."

It's very different. One, you have to go looking for the program files folder. Two, it's a yes or no answer as opposed to an explanation plus direction. Three, a general rule of "if you don't know what it is then don't delete it" prevents the question in the first place.

 

[Rhonda the Sly]

If Microsoft wants this os to be accepted, it better provide this manual with the os when it is sold.

Windows Vista, 7, and even my iPhone shipped with thin manuals that explain some of the basic or newer features. I would expect Windows 8 to do the same.

As for intuitive, I don't think there's anything inherently intuitive about any of the above OSs. Windows Vista, 7, and 8 can largely be navigated based on learned experiences from prior versions of Windows. iOS? Doesn't have the same history but there isn't as much to do. The tutorial the first time the OS boots is usually enough to get people by, with the fold-out manual to fall back on.

 

[Dominato3r]

25% percent of potential tablet owners want a windows 8 tablet. Pretty impressive considering there's been 0 marketing yet, i'm surprised the average joe even know about Windows 8

61% of potential tablet owners also want MS Office (Including 44% of current tablet owners). 3rd party apps surprisingly are wanted by less than 40% of people on both camps.
http://allthingsd.com/20120604/windows-8-plus-office-could-equal-success-for-microsoft-tablets/

 

[Zaap]

Yeah, and I for one can't wait for all the calls I'm going to get from old folks about teaching them to use their new Win8 PC's.

Yeah and I can't wait for all the new thrills from crapware/spyware/adware makers now that their new canvas is half the user's screen! And people thought tasktray crapware was bad?

My artist's rendition of the average person's Metro after the OEMs + crapware/spyware/installers-on-autorun get a hold of it:

 

[Dominato3r]

Yeah and I can't wait for all the new thrills from crapware/spyware/adware makers now that their new canvas is half the user's screen! And people thought tasktray crapware was bad?

My artist's rendition of the average person's Metro after the OEMs + crapware/spyware/installers-on-autorun get a hold of it:

Actually HTC wanted to put some bloat/skins onto the UI and they were denied a license

 

[dagamer34]

Yeah and I can't wait for all the new thrills from crapware/spyware/adware makers now that their new canvas is half the user's screen! And people thought tasktray crapware was bad?

My artist's rendition of the average person's Metro after the OEMs + crapware/spyware/installers-on-autorun get a hold of it:

You want to know the great thing about Metro crapware vs. Windows crapware or Android crapware?

Two clicks and it's off your system. Permanently. With a guaranteed zero loss of performance. Much like Windows Phone 7 3rd party apps vs Android, when you uninstall an app, it's off your system for good.

 

[Zaap]

No one needs to add their own bloated interface over top of the bloat that Metro already is. They just need to fill up the tiles with their own crap. Just like they never needed to reinvent the tasktray to fill up the tasktray. Now they have the whole screen.

 

[Zaap]

You want to know the great thing about Metro crapware vs. Windows crapware or Android crapware?

Two clicks and it's off your system. Permanently. With a guaranteed zero loss of performance. Much like Windows Phone 7 3rd party apps vs Android, when you uninstall an app, it's off your system for good.

Yes, I've never encountered a crapware maker that didn't follow all the rules.

You keep describing two-click uninstall like it really needed a cheesy full screen toddler interface to implement. It would be a good idea by itself. In the context of the rest of Metro, it's turd polish.

 

[Nothinman]

You want to know the great thing about Metro crapware vs. Windows crapware or Android crapware?

Two clicks and it's off your system. Permanently. With a guaranteed zero loss of performance. Much like Windows Phone 7 3rd party apps vs Android, when you uninstall an app, it's off your system for good.

The Metro crapware may be safely removed completely, but there's nothing stopping them from also filling the desktop with same intrusive/damaging crapware just like they do now.

 

[dagamer34]

Yes, I've never encountered a crapware maker that didn't follow all the rules.

You keep describing two-click uninstall like it really needed a cheesy full screen toddler interface to implement. It would be a good idea by itself. In the context of the rest of Metro, it's turd polish.

Sandboxing prevents OEM makers from breaking the rules in Metro apps.

The Metro crapware may be safely removed completely, but there's nothing stopping them from also filling the desktop with same intrusive/damaging crapware just like they do now.

I seperated Metro apps from Windows apps for these reason. Thankfully, because no 3rd party desktop apps are allowed on Windows RT tablets, this means all 3rd party apps can be cleanly uninstalled without needing to re-install the OS. As for x86, reboot and re-install.

 

[Nothinman]

Sandboxing prevents OEM makers from breaking the rules in Metro apps.

I'm sure they'll still find ways to be annoying and intrusive with Metro apps within MS rules.

I seperated Metro apps from Windows apps for these reason. Thankfully, because no 3rd party desktop apps are allowed on Windows RT tablets, this means all 3rd party apps can be cleanly uninstalled without needing to re-install the OS. As for x86, reboot and re-install.

Metro apps aren't limited to WinRT so the distinction seems pretty arbitrary. MS already pulled an about face with VS 2012 Express not being able to build Win32 apps, so who knows what else they'll loosen up by the time Win8 hits.

 

[lifeblood]

25% percent of potential tablet owners want a windows 8 tablet. Pretty impressive considering there's been 0 marketing yet, i'm surprised the average joe even know about Windows 8

61% of potential tablet owners also want MS Office (Including 44% of current tablet owners). 3rd party apps surprisingly are wanted by less than 40% of people on both camps.
http://allthingsd.com/20120604/windows-8-plus-office-could-equal-success-for-microsoft-tablets/

I'm excited at the prospect of a Win8 tablet that also plugs into a cradle with a mouse and keyboard. I use an iPad and think Win8 will solve many of the "gaps" that exist with iOS. While traveling I would love to use a tablet on the plane (games/movies) or while trying to find my hotel (mapquest), but once in the hotel I want to slap it in a cradle with a keyboard and mouse so I can do serious work (email/Visio/Word).

I just hope it works seamlessly with Win7 as I will be keeping my laptop and desktop on that OS.