9to5 Google claims this is the Nexus 6/X.

[blairharrington]

I've been waiting for a Nexus phablet for a long time now, and we finally have one. I've been SOL every year, this time I finally get to buy a device that I think is near perfect. Where is the rule that states Nexus phones must be small or medium sized? There isn't one, Google has never made a phablet nexus, and considering the rise in popularity of large phones, it makes sense they'd want to do a phablet reference platform. Those who are disappointed can wait till next year, or go buy a Moto X, or a Z3C.

I really have no idea what the hell you are going on about. You repeatedly state your enthusiasm for this device in multiple threads and seem to be belittling the criticism against the lack of a smaller (new) alternative at a competitive price point. I'm happy you wanted a Nexus phablet and it's now a reality. I have zero issues with the N6 existing. Why would I? At the same time you need to stop acting like people bitching about the lack of a smaller N6 are somehow inconsequential and/or invalid.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Great argument. You used 2 phones from 4 and 5 yrs ago and say that it wasn't cheap. Skipping the last 3 Nexus line.

That was my point all along. People say it was a dev phone. But then later it was a budget phone not a dev phone. Now its a mainstream phone given its being sold at the carriers in store now. So what is it really? I don't think any of us can make judgements on what these products are supposed to be. Google's tried many different strategies over the years. Its not a cohesive strategy, but maybe it'll work this time.

 

[Red Storm]

I really have no idea what the hell you are going on about. You repeatedly state your enthusiasm for this device in multiple threads and seem to be belittling the criticism against the lack of a smaller (new) alternative at a competitive price point. I'm happy you wanted a Nexus phablet and it's now a reality. I have zero issues with the N6 existing. Why would I? At the same time you need to stop acting like people bitching about the lack of a smaller N6 are somehow inconsequential and/or invalid.

You said those who wanted a smaller new Nexus phone were SOL this year, I'm just reminding you that those of us who have wanted a larger Nexus phone have been SOL forever until this year. This year I got what I wanted but the small phone guys didn't, I expect next year we might see two Nexus phones because I don't see phablets going out of style anytime soon.

 

[blairharrington]

I really don't understand the complaints on price. It's the same or less than other flagships out of contract. Most people will get it on contract because it's on all carriers now.

The point is that it's really important and advantageous for consumers to have a great choice at an affordable price off-contract. Most American carriers will now offer you a lower monthly bill if you bring your own device to the table. With the N5 still available you technically still have this option. But this is a letdown for anybody who wanted something better (camera, battery life, speaker) than the N5.

 

[blairharrington]

You said those who wanted a smaller new Nexus phone were SOL this year, I'm just reminding you that those of us who have wanted a larger Nexus phone have been SOL forever until this year. This year I got what I wanted but the small phone guys didn't, I expect next year we might see two Nexus phones because I don't see phablets going out of style anytime soon.

Okay that's great and all. That still doesn't mean people who wanted a non-phablet new Nexus shouldn't be complaining about it.

 

[sze5003]

The point is that it's really important and advantageous for consumers to have a great choice at an affordable price off-contract. Most American carriers will now offer you a lower monthly bill if you bring your own device to the table. With the N5 still available you technically still have this option. But this is a letdown for anybody who wanted something better (camera, battery life, speaker) than the N5.

Well I was disappointed in the price too. This is going to be my first nexus device so I was expecting $450-$499 according to the n5 prices currently. But then I realized it's less than an iPhone 6 16gb and the same as other prices of other phones.

Personally I will never sign another contract so any phone I buy now will be off contract and full price. Was going to go with droid turbo but it will have bloat and a locked boot loader. I'll just take the nexus and go to metro pcs.

 

[Crono]

Okay that's great and all. That still doesn't mean people who wanted a non-phablet new Nexus shouldn't be complaining about it.

Yeah, this is what I don't get. The 5 people (almost literally for these forums) who are going to get the Nexus 6 expect us to shut up and be happy, as if we are unreasonable or spoiled for expecting more. We want to vent... and of course express our interest now for the alternatives (see the Note 4, Project Ara, and OnePlus threads, to name a few where people have now expressed interest because of the Nexus 6 pricing).

Those of you who are buying the Nexus 6 I'm sure will be happy with your purchase, like those Apple users who are buying the iPhone 6 Plus. But don't expect us to not be disappointed just because you are aren't.

 

[sze5003]

Yeah, this is what I don't get. The 5 people (almost literally for these forums) who are going to get the Nexus 6 expect us to shut up and be happy, as if we are unreasonable or spoiled for expecting more. We want to vent... and of course express our interest now for the alternatives (see the Note 4, Project Ara, and OnePlus threads, to name a few where people have now expressed interest because of the Nexus 6 pricing).

Those of you who are buying the Nexus 6 I'm sure will be happy with your purchase, like those Apple users who are buying the iPhone 6 Plus. But don't expect us to not be disappointed just because you are aren't.

Motorola should be releasing a moto gsm version of the turbo. So people still have alternatives. I'm disappointed too but I'm still buying one because I need a new phone soon and one plus didn't cut it for me. Hell I complained like no other about the yellow band and I always will until they possibly fix it in the one plus 2.

 

[Muyoso]

How about from the guy who's actually in charge of Android? He says:



No where does he mention high end specs at cheap prices. Nexus = low cost is a definition created by some fans, not by Google.



I've been waiting for a Nexus phablet for a long time now, and we finally have one. I've been SOL every year, this time I finally get to buy a device that I think is near perfect. Where is the rule that states Nexus phones must be small or medium sized? There isn't one, Google has never made a phablet nexus, and considering the rise in popularity of large phones, it makes sense they'd want to do a phablet reference platform. Those who are disappointed can wait till next year, or go buy a Moto X, or a Z3C.

Nexus = low cost is a definition created by Google when they launched the Play store and debuted the Galaxy Nexus for $399 off contract. Then continued when they launched the Nexus 7 for $199 and the Nexus 4 for $299 off contract. And continued further when they launched the Nexus 7 2013 for $229 and the Nexus 5 for $349 off contract. All of these prices were unprecedented at the time each device was released for the hardware that was being sold. Now we have these Nexus 6 apologists who come in and act like these price points were somehow meaningless and that the Nexus 6 represents some crazy different level of premium as to justify its nearly doubling in price from the Nexus 5.

 

[Crono]

Motorola should be releasing a moto gsm version of the turbo. So people still have alternatives. I'm disappointed too but I'm still buying one because I need a new phone soon and one plus didn't cut it for me. Hell I complained like no other about the yellow band and I always will until they possibly fix it in the one plus 2.

I'll definitely give a look at the Turbo, especially if the battery life reviews well (48 hours of battery life?) and the UI isn't slowed by the high PPI/resolution. I'd be willing to pay up to $550 off contract (hopefully it hits this... but I'm not counting on it now) and I really like the look of it in red kevlar.

I had a 6" phone before, and 5.2" is much more reasonable to me, considering my current phone is 5.0" and I'm satisfied with the size.

 

[sze5003]

Nexus = low cost is a definition created by Google when they launched the Play store and debuted the Galaxy Nexus for $399 off contract. Then continued when they launched the Nexus 7 for $199 and the Nexus 4 for $299 off contract. And continued further when they launched the Nexus 7 2013 for $229 and the Nexus 5 for $349 off contract. All of these prices were unprecedented at the time each device was released for the hardware that was being sold. Now we have these Nexus 6 apologists who come in and act like these price points were somehow meaningless and that the Nexus 6 represents some crazy different level of premium as to justify its nearly doubling in price from the Nexus 5.

I don't think anyone is agreeing that the price jump makes much sense. They just realize that wait a minute nexus is suppose to be cheap wtf happened. In reality it's the same price as the other flagships and that's the truth, except for the one plus but that's a Chinese startup anyway.

I don't agree with their price change at all that much but it's not like you are getting the value of an s3 or iPhone 5 and being charged the same as other new flagships now.

 

[Red Storm]

Yeah, this is what I don't get. The 5 people (almost literally for these forums) who are going to get the Nexus 6 expect us to shut up and be happy, as if we are unreasonable or spoiled for expecting more. We want to vent... and of course express our interest now for the alternatives (see the Note 4, Project Ara, and OnePlus threads, to name a few where people have now expressed interest because of the Nexus 6 pricing).

Those of you who are buying the Nexus 6 I'm sure will be happy with your purchase, like those Apple users who are buying the iPhone 6 Plus. But don't expect us to not be disappointed just because you are aren't.

The problem is the type of complaints. I base my criticism on the complaints I've seen on other sites mostly. You have these guys who have been clinging to their Nexus 4 or 5 and they're mad that the new Nexus isn't ~$300. All they want is their new cheap Nexus. Not coincidentally, these are the same people that claim the Nexus line has "always" been about cheap prices, when that is simply not true. I care nothing for these people's complaints. I'm a tech enthusiast, I want the Nexus to be as great as possible, not handicapped by some arbitrary low price point.

Those complaining about the size are well within their right to do so, but it doesn't hurt to remind them that they have been well served these past few years, while those who have wanted a Nexus phablet are only just now getting what they've wanted for a long time. Hopefully next year we see two Nexus models.

 

[sze5003]

I'll definitely give a look at the Turbo, especially if the battery life reviews well (48 hours of battery life?) and the UI isn't slowed by the high PPI/resolution.

I had a 6" phone before, and 5.2" is much more reasonable to me, considering my current phone is 5.0" and I'm satisfied with the size.

My choice was between the turbo from Verizon or nexus 6. I'm going to try the nexus 6 because I got used to the one plus one size. If it's really uncomfortable then I'll return it and look into the turbo or something else. But for now my m7 has served me well and is starting to show its age.

 

[Crono]

The problem is the type of complaints. I base my criticism on the complaints I've seen on other sites mostly. You have these guys who have been clinging to their Nexus 4 or 5 and they're mad that the new Nexus isn't ~$300. All they want is their new cheap Nexus. Not coincidentally, these are the same people that claim the Nexus line has "always" been about cheap prices, when that is simply not true. I care nothing for these people's complaints. I'm a tech enthusiast, I want the Nexus to be as great as possible, not handicapped by some arbitrary low price point.

Those complaining about the size are well within their right to do so, but it doesn't hurt to remind them that they have been well served these past few years, while those who have wanted a Nexus phablet are only just now getting what they've wanted for a long time. Hopefully next year we see two Nexus models.

Well, cheap (or "thrifty", if they prefer 😛) people will be cheap. Always better to have options, though: a more affordable Nexus 6 or a price cut to and restocking of the Nexus 5 (especially since the new ~6" will alienate a lot of buyers) would be nice. But I guess the more price-conscious among us will settle for the Moto G, if sticking with Motorola. At this point I'm just hoping Motorola releases the Turbo at $400 to $550, because the the new Moto X's battery life isn't appealing to me, and I would prefer my next phone to be Motorola because I like their design approach otherwise.

 

[sze5003]

Well, cheap (or "thrifty", if they prefer 😛) people will be cheap. Always better to have options. But I guess the more price-conscious among us will settle for the Moto G. At this point I'm just hoping Motorola releases the Turbo at $400 to $550, because the the new Moto X's battery life isn't appealing to me, and I would prefer my next phone to be Motorola because I like their design approach otherwise.

Off contract, because the screen is smaller, I'm expecting it to be a bit less than the nexus 6...I mean it has literally the same specs. Verizon has always been taking a while to sell their new phones off contract directly but if you wait some time and I wish I could, you should be able to get it on Amazon or a third party. No clue when the gsm version will be available but for Verizon it's going to be revealed Oct 28th.

 

[foghorn67]

The problem is the type of complaints. I base my criticism on the complaints I've seen on other sites mostly. You have these guys who have been clinging to their Nexus 4 or 5 and they're mad that the new Nexus isn't ~$300. All they want is their new cheap Nexus. Not coincidentally, these are the same people that claim the Nexus line has "always" been about cheap prices, when that is simply not true. I care nothing for these people's complaints. I'm a tech enthusiast, I want the Nexus to be as great as possible, not handicapped by some arbitrary low price point.

Those complaining about the size are well within their right to do so, but it doesn't hurt to remind them that they have been well served these past few years, while those who have wanted a Nexus phablet are only just now getting what they've wanted for a long time. Hopefully next year we see two Nexus models.

Reminds of people demanding free versions of popular apps/games in the Play Store reviews on a 99 cent app. FFS, pay the damn dollar.

 

[foghorn67]

Nexus = low cost is a definition created by Google when they launched the Play store and debuted the Galaxy Nexus for $399 off contract. Then continued when they launched the Nexus 7 for $199 and the Nexus 4 for $299 off contract. And continued further when they launched the Nexus 7 2013 for $229 and the Nexus 5 for $349 off contract. All of these prices were unprecedented at the time each device was released for the hardware that was being sold. Now we have these Nexus 6 apologists who come in and act like these price points were somehow meaningless and that the Nexus 6 represents some crazy different level of premium as to justify its nearly doubling in price from the Nexus 5.

But not the Nexus One or the Nexus S.

 

[Crono]

But not the Nexus One or the Nexus S.

Not that it was eons ago, but it was a bit different back then. Not as many competitive flagship phones from as many manufacturers as there are now. The Chinese manufacturers (Huawei, Oppo, Xiaomi, to name 3) especially have made some interesting and competitive phones in the $300 to $500 range. They haven't all quite caught up to the latest gen of phones, though.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

But not the Nexus One or the Nexus S.

Galaxy Nexus launched at $529. It took 7 months for them to drop the price at I/O, and it was likely a strategy along with the Nexus 7's low pricing.

 

[Uppsala9496]

I think the biggest disappointment for people regarding the price is that the nexus 6 will be sold by carriers substantially subsidized (have heard it may be $50 on contact at AT&T), but those that do not want a contact are stuck with the huge price tag.
Wonder how many google play editions of the flagship phones have sold? (similar pricing to the N6)
$449 to $499 I think people would be content with. Can justify it as a better spec'd/larger phone so that is why the price is $100 to $150 more than the N5.

To list it at nearly twice the price of the N5, it is going to piss a lot of people off (as evident in this thread). I wanted to upgrade from my N4, but at that price I can't justify it. My phone works. I like it. Don't want to drop $700+ after taxes/shipping and then have something happen to it. Hell, I can upgrade from my 47" tv for that kind of money.

 

[sze5003]

I think the biggest disappointment for people regarding the price is that the nexus 6 will be sold by carriers substantially subsidized (have heard it may be $50 on contact at AT&T), but those that do not want a contact are stuck with the huge price tag.
Wonder how many google play editions of the flagship phones have sold? (similar pricing to the N6)
$449 to $499 I think people would be content with. Can justify it as a better spec'd/larger phone so that is why the price is $100 to $150 more than the N5.

To list it at nearly twice the price of the N5, it is going to piss a lot of people off (as evident in this thread). I wanted to upgrade from my N4, but at that price I can't justify it. My phone works. I like it. Don't want to drop $700+ after taxes/shipping and then have something happen to it. Hell, I can upgrade from my 47" tv for that kind of money.

Yea its a lot of money but most people that want it will just wait a few months and get it used for $1-200 less.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I think the biggest disappointment for people regarding the price is that the nexus 6 will be sold by carriers substantially subsidized (have heard it may be $50 on contact at AT&T), but those that do not want a contact are stuck with the huge price tag.

I think that is the point- shoot for success in the subsidy market. That is where the big sales numbers are in North America.

What I wonder is if they release this Nexus on AT&T and Verizon won't it have a locked bootloader? I mean, both companies have been Nazis about demanding that recently. The Moto X can only be unlocked if its a "Pure" version (aka you bought it full price from the Motomaker). Y'all think the backlash is bad today, wait until that locked bootloader Nexus hits. Its like the Verizon Gnex all over again.

Google went away from the carriers for Nexus for a reason- to remove the device update bottleneck. If Google is now looking to Nexus as a money-making brand rather than a base platform then in the long run we might even see Android development slow some.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I think that is the point- shoot for success in the subsidy market. That is where the big sales numbers are in North America.

What I wonder is if they release this Nexus on AT&T and Verizon won't it have a locked bootloader? I mean, both companies have been Nazis about demanding that recently. The Moto X can only be unlocked if its a "Pure" version (aka you bought it full price from the Motomaker). Y'all think the backlash is bad today, wait until that locked bootloader Nexus hits. Its like the Verizon Gnex all over again.

Google went away from the carriers for Nexus for a reason- to remove the device update bottleneck. If Google is now looking to Nexus as a money-making brand rather than a base platform then in the long run we might even see Android development slow some.

Its interesting this switch to carriers though. The previous Nexii tended to attract those who were off contract or on prepaid and those who wanted cheap phones. By kicking those customers away and switching to a carrier market, does Google think the new Nexus phone will stand on its own at the Verizon store against the Note 4 or other competing flagships?

I tend to think the mainstream market still doesn't understand the Nexus phone, and now by relegating it to the smaller phablet market, I'm curious to see how it will work.

Its just interesting from a business perspective because this is a totally different crowd--those who are willing to pay more, phablet users, and carrier subsidized users. There might be a subset of the N4 and N5 users that fall in this category, but I'd say its the minority.

 

[GTaudiophile]

I think I paid, what, $300-350 for my Galaxy Nexus, so $400 was my goal for the 6. Google priced it $250 higher than I wanted AND the phone is bigger than I care to have.

Additionally, my GF bought a N4 a little over a year ago and it's now crapping out on her. She barely gets 4 hours of stand-by use on a full charge. Based on this, I am only buying with a user-replaceable battery.

The Samsung S5 is most likely my next phone.

 

[Fire&Blood]

It looks like Google has given up free reign of Nexus to Motorola, though I'll need to wait & see how the bootloader and updates are handled on the least consumer friendly networks.

This phone may end up bearing the Nexus name only without anything else Nexus is associated with.