'99 Civic Repair?

[ballmode]

nope, civic

 

[LordUnum]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: LordUnum
I haven't the slightest idea how much the damage will cost to repair, but that bent rad support and other front-end damage for some reason immediately reminded me of a similar accident my father had a little over a year ago. I'll post a couple of pics from the accident my father had in his '96 Hyundai Elantra as reference. Car was smacked head-on by a Mitsubishi Galant going at a fairly good clip while my father was stopped at a signal. Short of the rad/AC fans and radiator, there wasn't any other damage within the engine compartment other than a disfigured (exhaust) heat shield. The airbags didn't go off somehow, but the car was still declared totalled (worth about the same as the repairs came out to: ~$2500). Car was repaired with the check AAA sent them. Receiving a salvage title didn't matter as the car wasn't worth much to begin with, and the car was and still is running flawlessly (deemed good investment for reliable transport)--those oil drip pans at the bottom of the pics below were for another car they are now likely soon to be rid of.

Check for yourself to see how the damage compares:

Front
Side

Umm both lower frame rails got crumpled and pushed up by at least 4cm. The front axle is off by about 1-2cm too.... im surprised the car even drives straight.

I think the loose/fallen fender liner and detached/deformed fender make the axle and wheel appear as if they were driven back a little bit, but rest assured there was no damage to the axle. Those old rims on the other hand were bent a bit from a previous close encounter with a guard rail.

You're pretty much spot on with the damage to the frame rails. As you can see, there was a good bit of labor that went into it all, but it does look good up close and when I'm underneath changing fluids and what-not. I was a bit surprised at hearing the quote my parents received, but I wasn't all too astonished since this was the same body shop where they previously repaired well over $5k worth of damage to my BMW (according to every other shop) for $1800. So the car mentioned in the OP, although seemingly not sustaining as much damage as my father's ride, could easily cost that same $2500 or more to fix at one of those other (uber-reputable and somewhat swanky-looking) shops would also be my best guess.

It was a somewhat 'timely' accident as the plastic front bumper was scuffed and its paint was peeling horribly, the hood had a few small (& ugly) dents and scratches here and there, and that very fender in the side pic was a bit screwy from that aforementioned accident w/the guard rail.

 

[PAB]

Originally posted by: Asthmaboy

Originally posted by: PAB
Oh, and to all those saying TOTAL LOSS - you're not entirely correct.

An insurer can total loss a car and you can still have a clean title.

I've seen cars that were a LOT worse that were rebuildable salvage.

2005 Civic

That'll buff right out. The bumper was in the backseat if you look close enough. If you can rebuild that, you can rebuild that '99.

That's not a Civic...
That's an Accord, right?

I'm right and you're wrong

Note the bumper in the backseat again.

 

[Asthmaboy]

Weird, I always thought that Civic = 2 doors while the Accord was the 4 door version.

 

[RCN]

Originally posted by: PAB
Oh, and to all those saying TOTAL LOSS - you're not entirely correct.

An insurer can total loss a car and you can still have a clean title.

I've seen cars that were a LOT worse that were rebuildable salvage.

2005 Civic

That'll buff right out. The bumper was in the backseat if you look close enough. If you can rebuild that, you can rebuild that '99.

I don't think anybody said it wasn't rebuildable. Note that your example is an insurance salvage. Any car short that hasn't been sent to a crusher or ran over by a steam roller can be considered rebuildable. I've seen two cars spliced together in the middle.



Honestly though I wrongly assumed the bags went off. I would still consider it a total and swap the drivetrain to another civic though..........

 

[PAB]

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: PAB
Oh, and to all those saying TOTAL LOSS - you're not entirely correct.

An insurer can total loss a car and you can still have a clean title.

I've seen cars that were a LOT worse that were rebuildable salvage.

2005 Civic

That'll buff right out. The bumper was in the backseat if you look close enough. If you can rebuild that, you can rebuild that '99.

Any car short that hasn't been sent to a crusher or ran over by a steam roller can be considered rebuildable. I've seen two cars spliced together in the middle.

Thats incorrect. If the damage is like run over by a steamroller or the car has significant frame and body damage, they will CD the car and it will be parts only, never driven on a public road again.

 

[RCN]

Originally posted by: PAB

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: PAB
Oh, and to all those saying TOTAL LOSS - you're not entirely correct.

An insurer can total loss a car and you can still have a clean title.

I've seen cars that were a LOT worse that were rebuildable salvage.

2005 Civic

That'll buff right out. The bumper was in the backseat if you look close enough. If you can rebuild that, you can rebuild that '99.

Any car short that hasn't been sent to a crusher or ran over by a steam roller can be considered rebuildable. I've seen two cars spliced together in the middle.

Thats incorrect. If the damage is like run over by a steamroller or the car has significant frame and body damage, they will CD the car and it will be parts only, never driven on a public road again.

Sorry....having bought enough salvage cars I can confidently say you are wrong.

What do you consider significant? What amount of damage to the frame? Frames a replaceable. Unis can be repaired or rebuilt with tube.

Maybe you got caught up in my fvcked up grammar/ sentence structure....what I meant to say was .....Any car that hasn't been sent to a crusher or ran over by a steam roller can be considered rebuildable

The last 280zx I bought looked like it was hit by a train.....salvage title.

 

[PAB]

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: PAB

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: PAB
Oh, and to all those saying TOTAL LOSS - you're not entirely correct.

An insurer can total loss a car and you can still have a clean title.

I've seen cars that were a LOT worse that were rebuildable salvage.

2005 Civic

That'll buff right out. The bumper was in the backseat if you look close enough. If you can rebuild that, you can rebuild that '99.

Any car short that hasn't been sent to a crusher or ran over by a steam roller can be considered rebuildable. I've seen two cars spliced together in the middle.

Thats incorrect. If the damage is like run over by a steamroller or the car has significant frame and body damage, they will CD the car and it will be parts only, never driven on a public road again.

Sorry....having bought enough salvage cars I can confidently say you are wrong.

What do you consider significant? What amount of damage to the frame? Frames a replaceable. Unis can be repaired or rebuilt with tube.

Maybe you got caught up in my fvcked up grammar/ sentence structure....what I meant to say was .....Any car that hasn't been sent to a crusher or ran over by a steam roller can be considered rebuildable

Significant? A tahoe without a front end - meaning engine and fame torn off in crash, no intact glass, and the front starts at the firewall. That's CD in my book.

Yes, anything *CAN* be rebuildable in a physical sense, but getting the DMV to approve it for use on a public road is another story.

 

[RCN]

Originally posted by: PAB

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: PAB

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: PAB
Oh, and to all those saying TOTAL LOSS - you're not entirely correct.

An insurer can total loss a car and you can still have a clean title.

I've seen cars that were a LOT worse that were rebuildable salvage.

2005 Civic

That'll buff right out. The bumper was in the backseat if you look close enough. If you can rebuild that, you can rebuild that '99.

Any car short that hasn't been sent to a crusher or ran over by a steam roller can be considered rebuildable. I've seen two cars spliced together in the middle.

Thats incorrect. If the damage is like run over by a steamroller or the car has significant frame and body damage, they will CD the car and it will be parts only, never driven on a public road again.

Sorry....having bought enough salvage cars I can confidently say you are wrong.

What do you consider significant? What amount of damage to the frame? Frames a replaceable. Unis can be repaired or rebuilt with tube.

Maybe you got caught up in my fvcked up grammar/ sentence structure....what I meant to say was .....Any car that hasn't been sent to a crusher or ran over by a steam roller can be considered rebuildable

Significant? A tahoe without a front end - meaning engine and fame torn off in crash, no intact glass, and the front starts at the firewall. That's CD in my book.

Yes, anything *CAN* be rebuildable in a physical sense, but getting the DMV to approve it for use on a public road is another story.

OK....here is where our failure to communicate is.....the DMV doesn't really inspect here....

 

[PAB]

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: PAB

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: PAB

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: PAB
Oh, and to all those saying TOTAL LOSS - you're not entirely correct.

An insurer can total loss a car and you can still have a clean title.

I've seen cars that were a LOT worse that were rebuildable salvage.

2005 Civic

That'll buff right out. The bumper was in the backseat if you look close enough. If you can rebuild that, you can rebuild that '99.

Any car short that hasn't been sent to a crusher or ran over by a steam roller can be considered rebuildable. I've seen two cars spliced together in the middle.

Thats incorrect. If the damage is like run over by a steamroller or the car has significant frame and body damage, they will CD the car and it will be parts only, never driven on a public road again.

Sorry....having bought enough salvage cars I can confidently say you are wrong.

What do you consider significant? What amount of damage to the frame? Frames a replaceable. Unis can be repaired or rebuilt with tube.

Maybe you got caught up in my fvcked up grammar/ sentence structure....what I meant to say was .....Any car that hasn't been sent to a crusher or ran over by a steam roller can be considered rebuildable

Significant? A tahoe without a front end - meaning engine and fame torn off in crash, no intact glass, and the front starts at the firewall. That's CD in my book.

Yes, anything *CAN* be rebuildable in a physical sense, but getting the DMV to approve it for use on a public road is another story.

OK....here is where our failure to communicate is.....the DMV doesn't really inspect here....

In my state, we have two types of salvage - rebuildable or CD. If you can get a rebuilt title, the DMV has to be satisfied that repairs meets or exceeds initial spec.

Naturally, this rules out most spit and bailing wire jobs.

One major option is rebuilding a CD car and then exporting it to a country that dosen't care about safety. YOU BOYS LIKE MEXIIIICOOOO?

Sorry.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: WhoBeDaPlaya
Forgot to add, engine runs just fine and doesn't overheat (driven back home from the accident scene). After leaving the car parked for a couple of hours, we didn't notice a puddle of coolant on the floor, which I guess means that the radiator is alright.

Friend rear-ended a 2004 Dodge Neon and only has 3rd party insurance, though that is hardly important as no one was hurt and the Neon only got a slight paint scratch. He paid ~$5K for the car back in July.

Disclaimer : I'm fine with 'puters but am a car n00b

probably 3-4k in damage. The front bumper alone will cost $900-1,100, then there is the rear bumper (1,000-ish), the hood (900), paint job for the whole car (1,000-2,000), and miscelanious parts like headlights ($300), screws, grille, etc, plus any mechanical repair etc.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: PAB
Oh, and to all those saying TOTAL LOSS - you're not entirely correct.

An insurer can total loss a car and you can still have a clean title.

I've seen cars that were a LOT worse that were rebuildable salvage.

2005 Civic

That'll buff right out. The bumper was in the backseat if you look close enough. If you can rebuild that, you can rebuild that '99.

A 2005 is a much differant story than a 1999. People are more willing to pay for a slightly wrecked rear end (where mechanical parts are not harmed) $20,000 2005 civic than they would a front end damaged 1999 civic woth less than $5,000.

 

[RCN]

Originally posted by: PAB

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: PAB

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: PAB

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: PAB
Oh, and to all those saying TOTAL LOSS - you're not entirely correct.

An insurer can total loss a car and you can still have a clean title.

I've seen cars that were a LOT worse that were rebuildable salvage.

2005 Civic

That'll buff right out. The bumper was in the backseat if you look close enough. If you can rebuild that, you can rebuild that '99.

Any car short that hasn't been sent to a crusher or ran over by a steam roller can be considered rebuildable. I've seen two cars spliced together in the middle.

Thats incorrect. If the damage is like run over by a steamroller or the car has significant frame and body damage, they will CD the car and it will be parts only, never driven on a public road again.

Sorry....having bought enough salvage cars I can confidently say you are wrong.

What do you consider significant? What amount of damage to the frame? Frames a replaceable. Unis can be repaired or rebuilt with tube.

Maybe you got caught up in my fvcked up grammar/ sentence structure....what I meant to say was .....Any car that hasn't been sent to a crusher or ran over by a steam roller can be considered rebuildable

Significant? A tahoe without a front end - meaning engine and fame torn off in crash, no intact glass, and the front starts at the firewall. That's CD in my book.

Yes, anything *CAN* be rebuildable in a physical sense, but getting the DMV to approve it for use on a public road is another story.

OK....here is where our failure to communicate is.....the DMV doesn't really inspect here....

In my state, we have two types of salvage - rebuildable or CD. If you can get a rebuilt title, the DMV has to be satisfied that repairs meets or exceeds initial spec.

Naturally, this rules out most spit and bailing wire jobs.

One major option is rebuilding a CD car and then exporting it to a country that dosen't care about safety. YOU BOYS LIKE MEXIIIICOOOO?

Sorry.

Man....where do you guys get DMV employees that are competent enough to decide whether it meets or exceeds initial specs? I had a title problem recently where I had to have my car "inspected" to see if it was indeed the car I was trying to register. There is no VIN anywhere on my car, it has several "illegal" mods, and a JDM engine that is 30 years newer than stock. The guy just looked at it like he knew what he was doing and then walked back in and finished my title app..........

 

[SearchMaster]

Back on point, that's slightly more damage than I had on an accident 3 months ago. It was ~$2K (except the stupid airbags went off), so I'll guess $2000-2500 - not totalled.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Thanks for the all the helpful replies folks
We'll be calling up some local bodywork shops and find out how much the damage will be.