9800GX2 cards are here

[hooflung]

That card is such a pile of shit. So is the review. They walked into the review looking for one thing only: Is this faster than every thing else. The end. The market has changed its view of graphics cards. People want affordable speed, low power consumption, low noise and transparency. The SLI models of the 8800GT and 9600GT ( dare I even say the 8800GS ) are not only cheaper but comparable.

This card smacks of bragging rights and looks like a turd. Like two hard drives stuck together end to end. Not in this lifetime. Not while 2 9600GTs can run me 300 bucks or an 3870X2 can be pared with a single 3870 down the road. If there is a gamer out there who would buy it then they can afford the HDTV to go with it, because that is seemingly its only viable use.

 

[Genx87]

Oh gee the reponses are something I have never seen before. Complaints about the cost, people want affodable solution blah blah blah. These are totally new and thought provoking responses!

 

[nanaki333]

wasn't this the same exact reception the 3870x2 got when it came out? too much money, i can get 2x 3870 for cheaper, blah blah blah. i'm sure it's the same as when the 7950gx2 came out too, but i can't remember anything specific from that time.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: nanaki333
wasn't this the same exact reception the 3870x2 got when it came out? too much money, i can get 2x 3870 for cheaper, blah blah blah. i'm sure it's the same as when the 7950gx2 came out too, but i can't remember anything specific from that time.

Anytime a new king of the hill comes out the same whiners are out in force crying about the cost. It is amusing to watch their futility at convincing the world that a 600 dollar card isnt worth it. Then the next round comes out and we start all over. Obviously they are failing becuase people are buying these cards at sufficient levels for the manufacturers to keep spitting them out. Not to mention those who buy these cards are footing the bill at a higher price for the next gen's r&d. They apparently believe a 200 dollar top end would deliver the kind of performance we see today in the high end. When the fact is a 200 dollar will produce much worse results.

 

[hooflung]

600 dollars for a card that can barely beat off SLI'ed 9600GTs. SLI, the thing Nvidia has tried to market down our throats for 4 years. SLI, the technology that binds the very card is the GX2. Do people not realize that if a 9600GT GPU with LESS texture units, LESS ROPs, LESS unifided shaders, LESS memory bandwidth in SLI can keep up with teh 9800 GPU in SLI then that says tons about the 8 series scaling in general.

You would have thought people would have seen this coming when the 9800GT, an inferior on paper GPU, was performing like a 8800GT.

 

[hooflung]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: nanaki333
wasn't this the same exact reception the 3870x2 got when it came out? too much money, i can get 2x 3870 for cheaper, blah blah blah. i'm sure it's the same as when the 7950gx2 came out too, but i can't remember anything specific from that time.

Anytime a new king of the hill comes out the same whiners are out in force crying about the cost. It is amusing to watch their futility at convincing the world that a 600 dollar card isnt worth it. Then the next round comes out and we start all over. Obviously they are failing becuase people are buying these cards at sufficient levels for the manufacturers to keep spitting them out.

Same people? I rarely ever put a comment up for any article. I rarely spend time in the hardware forum. Try again.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: hooflung
600 dollars for a card that can barely beat off SLI'ed 9600GTs. SLI, the thing Nvidia has tried to market down our throats for 4 years. SLI, the technology that binds the very card is the GX2. Do people not realize that if a 9600GT GPU with LESS texture units, LESS ROPs, LESS unifided shaders, LESS memory bandwidth in SLI can keep up with teh 9800 GPU in SLI then that says tons about the 8 series scaling in general.

You would have thought people would have seen this coming when the 9800GT, an inferior on paper GPU, was performing like a 8800GT.

If people realize this will they not buy the SLI 9600's? I suspect like many people who have built performance rigs over the past 18 months. We are stuck on Intel chipsets with Intel CPU's. Which means no 9600GT in SLI for us! And for the record the 9600GT did keep up. But I dont believe it was beating the 9800 on any kind of regular basis, if at all.

Edit: Looking over Anandtechs review. That 9600GT SLI is a nice cost effective way to get great performance. But it doesnt appear to be in the same league as the 9800. People will pay for that kind of premium performance.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: hooflung

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: nanaki333
wasn't this the same exact reception the 3870x2 got when it came out? too much money, i can get 2x 3870 for cheaper, blah blah blah. i'm sure it's the same as when the 7950gx2 came out too, but i can't remember anything specific from that time.

Anytime a new king of the hill comes out the same whiners are out in force crying about the cost. It is amusing to watch their futility at convincing the world that a 600 dollar card isnt worth it. Then the next round comes out and we start all over. Obviously they are failing becuase people are buying these cards at sufficient levels for the manufacturers to keep spitting them out.

Same people? I rarely ever put a comment up for any article. I rarely spend time in the hardware forum. Try again.

Yes the same group of whiners. You fit in that club rather well I will add.

 

[CP5670]

I don't have any interest in this card at all, and the reason is SLI, not the price.

 

[Wreckage]

Wow it just crushes the X2

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/...w5LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

 

[apoppin]

HardFUD ?
:Q

"real world"??

RotFL
:laugh:

anyway ... i almost did buy a GX2 last night before Keys made a suggestion that "saved" me

i DO want to increase performance for my rig ... but not for $600

SO ... it appears i can dump my 2900Pro and add a 3870x2 in it's place.
HD2900xt + HD3870x2 should be quite an improvement over my current performance and allow me to play maxed out 16x12 DX10 games and use 8xAA on older games!
-Tri-FrankenFire


it's do able with 850w ... and best of all, my crystal ball says the 3870x2 is gonna DROP in price

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: apoppin

SO ... it appears i can dump my 2900Pro and add a 3870x2 in it's place.
HD2900xt + HD3870x2 should be quite an improvement over my current performance and allow me to play maxed out 16x12 DX10 games and use 8xAA on older games!

Well if you prefer the Anandtech review it showed that even 3 3870s could not keep up. Plus certain games did not work with CrossfireX.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: apoppin

SO ... it appears i can dump my 2900Pro and add a 3870x2 in it's place.
HD2900xt + HD3870x2 should be quite an improvement over my current performance and allow me to play maxed out 16x12 DX10 games and use 8xAA on older games!

Well if you prefer the Anandtech review it showed that even 3 3870s could not keep up. Plus certain games did not work with CrossfireX.

it's bang-for-buck
- for *my xfire rig*

and "certain games" won't work perfectly with SLi-based Gx2 - either ... my "slowest core" is 2900xt.

i only play at 16x12 or 16x10 .. i am guessing $350-$150 = $200 net upgrade with 3870x2

if i get GX2 it is $600-$150 = $450 net upgrade

--get it?

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Sylvanas

Originally posted by: nanaki333

Originally posted by: SteelSix
That 512-bit 1GB spec looks good in print. Score one for marketing. Worth watching will be Newegg's price over the coming week. Will be interesting to see how they're received..

kinda like the 2XXX series radeon cards. those had 512-bit, but that didn't seem to really help matters.

Not like the 2900 in respect to the 512bit bus. The GX2 is simply two 256bit bus's slapped together, and they call it 512bit for marketing purposes. The same with the 1GB memory- that is really 512mb x2...so each GPU only has a 512mb frame buffer to address, opposed to a 'full' 1GB.

isn't that EXACTLY what AMD does with the 3870x2? even the numbers are identical (256bit x2 = 512bt, 512MB ram x2 = 1GB)

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: Sylvanas

Originally posted by: nanaki333

Originally posted by: SteelSix
That 512-bit 1GB spec looks good in print. Score one for marketing. Worth watching will be Newegg's price over the coming week. Will be interesting to see how they're received..

kinda like the 2XXX series radeon cards. those had 512-bit, but that didn't seem to really help matters.

Not like the 2900 in respect to the 512bit bus. The GX2 is simply two 256bit bus's slapped together, and they call it 512bit for marketing purposes. The same with the 1GB memory- that is really 512mb x2...so each GPU only has a 512mb frame buffer to address, opposed to a 'full' 1GB.

isn't that EXACTLY what AMD does with the 3870x2? even the numbers are identical (256bit x2 = 512bt, 512MB ram x2 = 1GB)

Yes, and they're not wrong to do so either. Even though the frame buffer for each GPU is only 1/2 of the total spec, the processing load for each card is also half. Only in Vista is there a slight change as there's potentially 4 buffers with AFR compared to 3 in XP.

Anyways, GX2 is what it was expected to be. New high-end single card, new high-end single card price. SLI performance on non-SLI boards. Quad-SLI on SLI boards. Priced accordingly, about 2xG92 GTS, more than 2xG92 GT or 3870X2, much more than 9600GT SLI. Cheaper and FASTER than 3x Ultra or 3x GTX in Tri-SLI (driver willing ofc). Pick your poison, it falls in line any way you slice and dice it.

 

[TheSlamma]

Ripoff cards. $600 for old tech.

 

[IlllI]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Ripoff cards. $600 for old tech.

:thumbsup:

 

[Cabages]

Well, Evga is offering an extra 30 days step up to anyone that steps up to a 9800gx2.

I considered it for a second, but seeing as there is no way that thing is fitting in my case, and I could just SLI 2 8800gt's for about the same price/performance for an upgrade, I dont think the card is for me.

 

[legoman666]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: nanaki333

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: dasracht
What a disappointment at that price.

I didn't think so at all after using one, my second is on the way from newegg.

with current drivers, how would you say it fairs against a 3870x2? seeing as how there's no concrete review on the gx2 yet. need to know if i should even bother cracking mine open or just stay with the x2 for now.

do you know if the gx2 cards work on p35 chipset boards in sli, or are we waiting for a driver update for that?

To the best of my knowledge, SLI is still locked to Nvidia chipsets only. Only Crossfire can be run on Intel and ATI/AMD chipsets. Dang shame.

More like they're shooting themselves in their foot. People (IE, me) are more likely to buy ATI because they don't want an nvidia motherboard. I wanted X38 and wanted to go dual video card when funds allowed, so I got a 3870. Then I bought a 2nd 3870 ~3 months later.

 

[Sutareteiru]

i know there has been alot of bashing on the GX2 and how its not supposed to be the 9 series...but has anyone commented on the fact its using 65nm? and to tell you the truth...ive seen the OC version of the GX2 runnings...its pretty amazing.

 

[rgallant]

Originally posted by: Cabages
Well, Evga is offering an extra 30 days step up to anyone that steps up to a 9800gx2.

I considered it for a second, but seeing as there is no way that thing is fitting in my case, and I could just SLI 2 8800gt's for about the same price/performance for an upgrade, I dont think the card is for me.

where did you see the the +30 days for the Evga step up as mine ends tomorrow,?

need time

Did think I'd past on this card ,but after looking at the 780i boards to add a second 8800GTS 512 with my DDR2, it seems most of the boards are buggy when they work and need to be modded for heat on the NB which blows the WARR .unless you get the plain jane Evga 780i

cost: 9800gx2 $350 apox with step up (driver support could dry up in the furture)

cost: 2nd 8800 & Nvidia board $700 (shipping,tax) CDN apox max.(still might be the better way)

any ideas ? anyone.

 

[Cabages]

Originally posted by: rgallant

Originally posted by: Cabages
Well, Evga is offering an extra 30 days step up to anyone that steps up to a 9800gx2.

I considered it for a second, but seeing as there is no way that thing is fitting in my case, and I could just SLI 2 8800gt's for about the same price/performance for an upgrade, I dont think the card is for me.

where did you see the the +30 days for the Evga step up as mine ends tomorrow,?

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[Martimus]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: apoppin

SO ... it appears i can dump my 2900Pro and add a 3870x2 in it's place.
HD2900xt + HD3870x2 should be quite an improvement over my current performance and allow me to play maxed out 16x12 DX10 games and use 8xAA on older games!

Well if you prefer the Anandtech review it showed that even 3 3870s could not keep up. Plus certain games did not work with CrossfireX.

it's bang-for-buck
- for *my xfire rig*

and "certain games" won't work perfectly with SLi-based Gx2 - either ... my "slowest core" is 2900xt.

i only play at 16x12 or 16x10 .. i am guessing $350-$150 = $200 net upgrade with 3870x2

if i get GX2 it is $600-$150 = $450 net upgrade

--get it?

Actually the Anandtech review showed that the 3X 3870 was often better than the 9800GX2 at those resolutions, so you should be fine. (The 9800GX2 often only took the top position at 2560x1600)

 

[Rusin]

Well 9800 GX2 is around 40% faster and 40% more expensive than HD3870 X2. 9800 GX2 also consumes less wattage under load and is more quiet.

9800 GX2 is also better overclocker than HD3870 X2; 20-25% increase for core and shaders is realistic with GX2; How many HD3870 X2's hit 1000MHz with reference cooler and without volt mods?

I don't think that they are ripoff's [I still wouldn't buy them..].

 

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