9800 pro or 6800

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: mangled
let me ask you this, and keep Doom 3 in mind.

Would you go 6800 or 9800 Pro w/ 256mb RAM?

Both are similarly priced, the 9800 Pro has double the RAM.

The rest of my system is 2.6ghz P4, 1gb 3200 DDR, WinXP

If they are similarly priced, then 6800 vanilla no question. As I said it's faster has SM3.0 and 12pipes. 9800pro 128/256 is only perfect for the price/perf ratio.

P.S: OMG!! I'm turning into Rollo... 😀 :beer:

I will send your robe and starter case of beer to join my cult of video card logic. The secret greeting is:
"What would you rather ride- a cow or a goat?" Answer: "A cow, for defensive capabilities and tastier milk"

😉

Thankz for the robe and the beer but:
I'd rather have a bull (aka GT). Offensive capabilities and lots of power 😉

Me too, that's why I ordered one, but this is about 6800NUs and 9800Pros.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: mangled
let me ask you this, and keep Doom 3 in mind.

Would you go 6800 or 9800 Pro w/ 256mb RAM?

Both are similarly priced, the 9800 Pro has double the RAM.

The rest of my system is 2.6ghz P4, 1gb 3200 DDR, WinXP

If they are similarly priced, then 6800 vanilla no question. As I said it's faster has SM3.0 and 12pipes. 9800pro 128/256 is only perfect for the price/perf ratio.

P.S: OMG!! I'm turning into Rollo... 😀 :beer:

I will send your robe and starter case of beer to join my cult of video card logic. The secret greeting is:
"What would you rather ride- a cow or a goat?" Answer: "A cow, for defensive capabilities and tastier milk"

😉

Thankz for the robe and the beer but:
I'd rather have a bull (aka GT). Offensive capabilities and lots of power 😉

Me too, that's why I ordered one, but this is about 6800NUs and 9800Pros.

Well as I said depends on the price/perf ratio. If someone doesn't give/have the additional funds for the purchase of an expensive high end gpu means that he cares for the best possible solution out there and not just for the perf.
In most cases 9800pro is still the king of price/perf ratio,unless you can find a vanilla 6800 for a very good price. That would be unbeatable.

 

[Gamingphreek]

I agree with Rollo and Keysplayr2003. Also 30% more performance is a bit on the low end. That 6800NU packs quite a punch.

General stop posting such subjective things... everyone is getting sick and fuxing tired of it.

Though 30% may be accurate Keysplayer pinned it right on the nose. That 30% may be the difference between playable and non playable. Also the 6800 has SM3.0 and all that extra sh!t.

Basically if you got the money go for the 6800NU, if ya dont the 9800Pro or even the 5900XT are both good cards. OF course for all those fanboys out there (cough general cough) the 9800Pro is generally an all around better card, and ballparking the 9800Pro wins around 70% of all benches.

-Kevin

 

[GeneralGrievous]

General stop posting such subjective things... everyone is getting sick and fuxing tired of it.

How can a simple factual statement be subjective? Your stupidity is astounding.

 

[amheck]

How low do you think the 6800NU's will go in the coming months? Think they'll hit $200?

Aaron

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

General stop posting such subjective things... everyone is getting sick and fuxing tired of it.

How can a simple factual statement be subjective? Your stupidity is astounding.

It is not a single factual statement. The 6800NU commonly beats the 9800Pro by more than 30%. Also like Keysplayr2003 said 30% can be the difference between playable and not playable.

Please xplain how i am being stupid... it seems to me that i am agreeing with people so if you are calling me stupid you are calling Rollo and Keysplayr stupid as well. Do explain how you have reached this conclusion im all ears :roll: .

-Kevin

 

[GeneralGrievous]

Ok fine. Averaging out all 12 1600x1200 AA/AF game benchers, here the 6800 beats the 9800XT by 13.5%. The Pro is around 10% less than the XT.

Alternatively, you can look
here.. I assume you know how to average numbers and divide.

"As for alternatives, you have one ? the RADEON 9800 XT. In most cases, this graphics card provided the same or even higher performance than the GeForce 6800."

What Keys said is perfectly logical and correct but it has nothing to do with the performance delta between the 2 cards.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Yes, iagree but what you dont seem to understand is that everything is not about raw numbers there are other variables at work.

-Kevin

 

[GtPrOjEcTX]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: GtPrOjEcTX
why do people keep refering to the 6800 as the 6800NU? Sure it not the 6800 Ultra, but its not the 6800 GT either. So why not call it the 6800NGTNU? :roll:

Why do people keep compaining when people say 6800NU? If you just say 6800, nobody can be exactly sure of which of the 3 versions of 6800 they are talking about. A simple NU at the end lets us know what we are talking about. Better to keep standards I would think. There was no such thing as a 9700np right? or a 9800np right? But we still used those little suffixes to tell the difference.

and why is that? If I said 6800 I'd be talking about the 6800 model and not the GT or Ultra. 😕 Keep to standards? So adding a couple characters to the end of a model name is keeping the standards? 😕

 

[BFG10K]

The 6800NU is the superior card to the 9800 Pro, no question. It's faster across the board and in some cases the difference is quite significant.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

General stop posting such subjective things... everyone is getting sick and fuxing tired of it.

How can a simple factual statement be subjective? Your stupidity is astounding.

It is not a single factual statement. The 6800NU commonly beats the 9800Pro by more than 30%. Also like Keysplayr2003 said 30% can be the difference between playable and not playable.

Please xplain how i am being stupid... it seems to me that i am agreeing with people so if you are calling me stupid you are calling Rollo and Keysplayr stupid as well. Do explain how you have reached this conclusion im all ears :roll: .

-Kevin

The General loves to call me stupid Gamingphreek, but that's ok, the board needs balance and differing opinions. 😉

 

[BenSkywalker]

6800NU without a doubt.

Good brands are those built by ATI,Sapphire,Gigabyte,Hercules and some other brands.

If you do decide to go with a R9800Pro then I would strongly advise staying away from built by ATi. I would rate their R9800Pro(which I've been running for ~six months now in my main rig) as somewhere between very poor and unacceptable. 2D quality is sub par and their cooling solution is extremely inadequate. I have had to reset my alarm thresholds for my mobo as the AGP temp sensor regularly reads higher then my processor despite having 4 80mm fans within 3" of the board(and the sensor is reading accurately- their stock cooling solution is a joke). BTW- My R9800Pro is at stock clock and stays there, and do not try and touch the heatsink on one within ~15 minutes or so of anything 3D(OUCH! :| )

 

[gururu]

i wouldn't worry about a 9800pro giving an unpleasant Doom3 experience. 😉

 

[RacerX]

lol at the math stuff ... that can be used both ways in marketing.

right now the best 9800pro ($200 MSI) vs the best 6800 ($286) comes down to this ... 86/200 or 200/286

so figures can be twisted ... either you can say that the $86 difference is 43% greater cost, or you can say the the ATI card costs a full 70% of what the 6800 costs.

The question then becomes is it's performance level 70% that of a 6800?

Maybe, but to quote the guy above .. "It seems 6800 vanilla and 9800pro would be at the same p/p ratio, so I would probably get the 6800 due to [sm]3.0 and 12 pipelines. " Amen


edit: Here is a further reason to chose the 6800 ---> new comparison in Doom3

 

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: Dman877
For 9800 Pro, try the MSI RX9800 at newegg, it's basically a 9800XT with half the ram (every program I've used ID's the card as a 9800XT). It has a sweet software bundle and a really nice stock cooler.

As for the 6800, it is a better card in most games. As shown at Hard[OCP], it's also a Doom3 beast with a bit of overclocking. The 6800 definitely has more of a future then the 9800 Pro at this point. I think a 9800 Pro has maybe a year left before it'll be too slow for current stuff, the 6800 is prolly good for 2+ years.

Considering I can run the WoW beta and most of my other games on an original radeon 64 mb, I think the 9800 pro will be fine for awhile 😛

 

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: Rollo
One thing the 6800 has that may partially justify it's "30% higher performance and 50% higher cost":

It runs Doom3 just as fast as a X800XT PE at 16X12 0x8x, and the situation will likely be the same with games based on this engine. (and that is WAY more than 30% better than a 9800Pro)

That could be told vice versa. This 30% maybe not be the case for HL2 based games,in which I have a feeling that the difference between them will be much less than 30%.And they will be great (eg stalker)

yeah but we KNOW this about Doom 3.. we dont know dick about half life. It's alot smarter to buy for games you can actually buy and play NOW. (well, in a day)

 

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
6800NU without a doubt.

Good brands are those built by ATI,Sapphire,Gigabyte,Hercules and some other brands.

If you do decide to go with a R9800Pro then I would strongly advise staying away from built by ATi. I would rate their R9800Pro(which I've been running for ~six months now in my main rig) as somewhere between very poor and unacceptable. 2D quality is sub par and their cooling solution is extremely inadequate. I have had to reset my alarm thresholds for my mobo as the AGP temp sensor regularly reads higher then my processor despite having 4 80mm fans within 3" of the board(and the sensor is reading accurately- their stock cooling solution is a joke). BTW- My R9800Pro is at stock clock and stays there, and do not try and touch the heatsink on one within ~15 minutes or so of anything 3D(OUCH! :| )

Im going to have to disagree with that... you must have gotten a dud. my bba 9800 pro ran for 7 months oc'ed to 410 / 375 with no problems at all, until I sold it to upgrade.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: Johnbear007

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: Rollo
One thing the 6800 has that may partially justify it's "30% higher performance and 50% higher cost":

It runs Doom3 just as fast as a X800XT PE at 16X12 0x8x, and the situation will likely be the same with games based on this engine. (and that is WAY more than 30% better than a 9800Pro)

That could be told vice versa. This 30% maybe not be the case for HL2 based games,in which I have a feeling that the difference between them will be much less than 30%.And they will be great (eg stalker)

yeah but we KNOW this about Doom 3.. we dont know dick about half life. It's alot smarter to buy for games you can actually buy and play NOW. (well, in a day)

First of all I said "I have a feeling" not that it would be certainly the case.
And second CMON!! Didn't you know D3 will perform better in Nvidia cards? Or haven't you heard that HL2 will run better on ATI?

😉

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Rollo
One thing the 6800 has that may partially justify it's "30% higher performance and 50% higher cost":

It runs Doom3 just as fast as a X800XT PE at 16X12 0x8x, and the situation will likely be the same with games based on this engine. (and that is WAY more than 30% better than a 9800Pro)

It appears that the 6800NU actually runs in 32x0 mode (not 24x0 as might be expected from a 12-pipe NVIDIA card) when doing stencil shadows. This gives it *four times* as much processing power per clock than the 9800Pro (or the 5900) when computing stencil shadows, and nearly three times as much as the X800Pro. While this makes it by FAR the best price/performance card for Doom3, it may not do nearly as well with other games using the D3 engine (unless those games ALSO make extensive and widespread use of stencil shadows), or other games making heavy use of SM2.0/3.0. Its Far Cry performance, for instance, leaves something to be desired (even with SM3.0). It'll be interesting to see how it perfoms in HL2 and STALKER. But it's certainly not the end-all of next-gen gaming performance.