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9800 pro or 6800

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icyredsol8181

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my mind is set on the 9800 pro most likely i will upgrade. does the 6800 have anything on the 9800 pro? and another ? which brand of 9800 pro should i go with? i have been loooking at the msi one, i guess that is an xt just underclocked. any input would be great. thanx
 
For 9800 Pro, try the MSI RX9800 at newegg, it's basically a 9800XT with half the ram (every program I've used ID's the card as a 9800XT). It has a sweet software bundle and a really nice stock cooler.

As for the 6800, it is a better card in most games. As shown at Hard[OCP], it's also a Doom3 beast with a bit of overclocking. The 6800 definitely has more of a future then the 9800 Pro at this point. I think a 9800 Pro has maybe a year left before it'll be too slow for current stuff, the 6800 is prolly good for 2+ years.
 
Before Rollo steps in and starts defending 6800 😀 I might as well say some good things in favor of 9800pro.
Well 6800 has 12pipes better perf and SM3.0 support. Generally is a better card than 9800pro.
But 9800pro is the price/perf king for now, will probably manage great DX9 titles until 1024x768 with all eye candy on for the near future and generally worths every penny spent on it.
It depends on your needs.
Good brands are those built by ATI,Sapphire,Gigabyte,Hercules and some other brands.
 
How long do you think the 9800's will get in the next few months? WHat do you think their bottom line is? $150? Lower?

Aaron
 
I'd say $150. I picked one up last week for $167 w/ tax and shipping included. Its not a bad card, and if u overclock it, its quite the performer. I say ud get 2 yrs out of it at decent settings. 4 yrs if u just want to "run" games.
 
Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
The 9800 Pro isn't included in that set of graphics. The 6800 offers 30% more performance for 50% more cost. Decide if its worth it.
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The eVGA is $283 shipped, includes FarCry, and has yet to have the PVP activated and supported. No way I'd settle for a old tech 9800p@this point.
 
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
The 9800 Pro isn't included in that set of graphics. The 6800 offers 30% more performance for 50% more cost. Decide if its worth it.
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The eVGA is $283 shipped, includes FarCry, and has yet to have the PVP activated and supported. No way I'd settle for a old tech 9800p@this point.
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Agreed. Go with the 6800 if you have the bit of extra cash.
 
One thing the 6800 has that may partially justify it's "30% higher performance and 50% higher cost":

It runs Doom3 just as fast as a X800XT PE at 16X12 0x8x, and the situation will likely be the same with games based on this engine. (and that is WAY more than 30% better than a 9800Pro)
 
Originally posted by: Rollo
One thing the 6800 has that may partially justify it's "30% higher performance and 50% higher cost":

It runs Doom3 just as fast as a X800XT PE at 16X12 0x8x, and the situation will likely be the same with games based on this engine. (and that is WAY more than 30% better than a 9800Pro)
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That could be told vice versa. This 30% maybe not be the case for HL2 based games,in which I have a feeling that the difference between them will be much less than 30%.And they will be great (eg stalker)
 
let me ask you this, and keep Doom 3 in mind.

Would you go 6800 or 9800 Pro w/ 256mb RAM?

Both are similarly priced, the 9800 Pro has double the RAM.

The rest of my system is 2.6ghz P4, 1gb 3200 DDR, WinXP
 
Originally posted by: mangled
let me ask you this, and keep Doom 3 in mind.

Would you go 6800 or 9800 Pro w/ 256mb RAM?

Both are similarly priced, the 9800 Pro has double the RAM.

The rest of my system is 2.6ghz P4, 1gb 3200 DDR, WinXP
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If they are similarly priced, then 6800 vanilla no question. As I said it's faster has SM3.0 and 12pipes. 9800pro 128/256 is only perfect for the price/perf ratio.

P.S: OMG!! I'm turning into Rollo... 😀 :beer:
 
Originally posted by: mangled
let me ask you this, and keep Doom 3 in mind.

Would you go 6800 or 9800 Pro w/ 256mb RAM?

Both are similarly priced, the 9800 Pro has double the RAM.

The rest of my system is 2.6ghz P4, 1gb 3200 DDR, WinXP
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256 9800Pro is totally owned by 6800NU in Doom 3. It's beaten by 6800NU at most everything else, with possible exception of some 16X124X8X settings that neither card can run well enough to play.
 
Originally posted by: jim1976
Originally posted by: mangled
let me ask you this, and keep Doom 3 in mind.

Would you go 6800 or 9800 Pro w/ 256mb RAM?

Both are similarly priced, the 9800 Pro has double the RAM.

The rest of my system is 2.6ghz P4, 1gb 3200 DDR, WinXP
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If they are similarly priced, then 6800 vanilla no question. As I said it's faster has SM3.0 and 12pipes. 9800pro 128/256 is only perfect for the price/perf ratio.

P.S: OMG!! I'm turning into Rollo... 😀 :beer:
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I will send your robe and starter case of beer to join my cult of video card logic. The secret greeting is:
"What would you rather ride- a cow or a goat?" Answer: "A cow, for defensive capabilities and tastier milk"

😉
 
Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
The 9800 Pro isn't included in that set of graphics. The 6800 offers 30% more performance for 50% more cost. Decide if its worth it.
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How is $283, 50% more? It's going to perform well over 30% in Doom3
 
Originally posted by: mangled
let me ask you this, and keep Doom 3 in mind.

Would you go 6800 or 9800 Pro w/ 256mb RAM?

Both are similarly priced, the 9800 Pro has double the RAM.

The rest of my system is 2.6ghz P4, 1gb 3200 DDR, WinXP
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You people need to stop thinking that having a 256mb card magically means you can run the game in high quality, or even faster than a 128mb card for that matter. Come on, wake up. I'd take the 6800NU any day of the week. In fact, I almost got a NU for $199 + $10 for shipping, but I had to let the offer pass because I had $0 and was waiting for payday. $209 for that card would completely destroy the 9800 pro P/P wise.
 
How is $283, 50% more? It's going to perform well over 30% in Doom3
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Do I have to teach you math as well? 283/190 = 1.489

or if you only want to use newegg prices, 283/197 = 1.436. So then the question becomes whether you want to spend 44% more for 30% more performance.
 
Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
How is $283, 50% more? It's going to perform well over 30% in Doom3
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Do I have to teach you math as well? 283/190 = 1.489

or if you only want to use newegg prices, 283/197 = 1.436. So then the question becomes whether you want to spend 44% more for 30% more performance.
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Then there is the other factor. If the 30% more performance actually makes the game playable at higher resolutions and AA. So it doesn't come down to plain and simple 50% more for 30% more performance. That 30% more performance can bring the game into the realm of acceptable playablility whereas if you didn't have the 30% more performance, you may not get what you need. So in a sense, you could pay 190 for a 9800pro, but you might feel like you wasted 190 when you see the performance and how much you have to cut back on goodies in the game.

You might pay 50% less for a 9800pro but not necessarily have enough power to play DoomIII the way you would like to.

So, it stands to reason that cost/percentage of performance increase is relative.

For a quick example.

You could have a buy a Ti4200 for lets say 100.00 and get 27fps in CoD for arguments sake. Not playable.

Then you could instead buy a 9600XT for 150.00 and get 36fps. Playable.

You might say that 50% cost increase over the tI4200 is not worth the 30% performance increase. In this case, I would say it is because the game is now playing at an acceptable framerate and one can enjoy the game.

Now these are just random numbers guys so don't go crazy quoting benchmarks on me. It is just for an example.

/long winded
 
why do people keep refering to the 6800 as the 6800NU? Sure it not the 6800 Ultra, but its not the 6800 GT either. So why not call it the 6800NGTNU? :roll:
 
Originally posted by: Marsumane
Both cards are good buys. it just depends on how much u want to spend and how much performance u want.
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And that's why I ask. Since they are similiarly priced, which offers the best value. Does the 256mb offer any advantages in this setup? I think I got it answered and the answer was no. In that case, the choice comes down to a 128mb 9800 Pro vs. a 6800. I gotta do some research on benchmarks to see if the price difference is worth it.

Of course, there's also HL2 to consider and how well the card I choose performs on that.
 
Originally posted by: GtPrOjEcTX
why do people keep refering to the 6800 as the 6800NU? Sure it not the 6800 Ultra, but its not the 6800 GT either. So why not call it the 6800NGTNU? :roll:
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Why do people keep compaining when people say 6800NU? If you just say 6800, nobody can be exactly sure of which of the 3 versions of 6800 they are talking about. A simple NU at the end lets us know what we are talking about. Better to keep standards I would think. There was no such thing as a 9700np right? or a 9800np right? But we still used those little suffixes to tell the difference.
 
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: jim1976
Originally posted by: mangled
let me ask you this, and keep Doom 3 in mind.

Would you go 6800 or 9800 Pro w/ 256mb RAM?

Both are similarly priced, the 9800 Pro has double the RAM.

The rest of my system is 2.6ghz P4, 1gb 3200 DDR, WinXP
Click to expand...

If they are similarly priced, then 6800 vanilla no question. As I said it's faster has SM3.0 and 12pipes. 9800pro 128/256 is only perfect for the price/perf ratio.

P.S: OMG!! I'm turning into Rollo... 😀 :beer:
Click to expand...

I will send your robe and starter case of beer to join my cult of video card logic. The secret greeting is:
"What would you rather ride- a cow or a goat?" Answer: "A cow, for defensive capabilities and tastier milk"

😉
Click to expand...

Thankz for the robe and the beer but:
I'd rather have a bull (aka GT). Offensive capabilities and lots of power 😉
 
Originally posted by: jim1976
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: jim1976
Originally posted by: mangled
let me ask you this, and keep Doom 3 in mind.

Would you go 6800 or 9800 Pro w/ 256mb RAM?

Both are similarly priced, the 9800 Pro has double the RAM.

The rest of my system is 2.6ghz P4, 1gb 3200 DDR, WinXP
Click to expand...

If they are similarly priced, then 6800 vanilla no question. As I said it's faster has SM3.0 and 12pipes. 9800pro 128/256 is only perfect for the price/perf ratio.

P.S: OMG!! I'm turning into Rollo... 😀 :beer:
Click to expand...

I will send your robe and starter case of beer to join my cult of video card logic. The secret greeting is:
"What would you rather ride- a cow or a goat?" Answer: "A cow, for defensive capabilities and tastier milk"

😉
Click to expand...

Thankz for the robe and the beer but:
I'd rather have a bull (aka GT). Offensive capabilities and lots of power 😉
Click to expand...


Me too, that's why I ordered one, but this is about 6800NUs and 9800Pros.
 
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