PRO EZ price is quite lower than PRO (by powercolor), both of em have 8 pipe. but, what's the difference?
9800 PRO match-up
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for an idea of the difference, take a look here:
http://graphics.tomshardware.c...004/vga_charts-04.html
Radeon 9500 Pro is 128 bit and Radeon 9700 is 256 bit, and otherwise the clock speeds are identical.
There is no 128 bit Radeon 9800 Pro, but you can get an idea of the performance difference by comparing the 9500Pro and 9700 then subtracting at least the difference between those two cards from the 9800 Pro scores.
There are some games where the memory speed is critical, and others where it's obviously less important (Like Far Cry and Joint operations show only a small difference for 128 bit memory)
If you look at the trends, it seems like the more modern games that use DX9 the most are the games that memory speed is less important.
http://graphics.tomshardware.c...004/vga_charts-04.html
Radeon 9500 Pro is 128 bit and Radeon 9700 is 256 bit, and otherwise the clock speeds are identical.
There is no 128 bit Radeon 9800 Pro, but you can get an idea of the performance difference by comparing the 9500Pro and 9700 then subtracting at least the difference between those two cards from the 9800 Pro scores.
There are some games where the memory speed is critical, and others where it's obviously less important (Like Far Cry and Joint operations show only a small difference for 128 bit memory)
If you look at the trends, it seems like the more modern games that use DX9 the most are the games that memory speed is less important.
Uhm.... in the comments at the Newegg site for the 9800 PRO EZ card someone said that the although the memory bandwith of this card is 128-bit, it has 8x1 pipes like the 256bit version....... unlike the 9800SE that only has 4x1.
I'm thinking seriously in getting this card, my current option is a 9600 PRO 128mb/128bit for $100 , but other fellow posters in the forum recommend me to get a Geforce 5900XT 128mb/256bit for $175. I've chosen a cheaper mobo in order to give air to my budget for the vid card.
How could this 9800 PRO EZ 128mb/128-bit be compared with the Geforce 5900XT 128mb/256bit in terms of price/performance? Where could we place this card in the Toms hardware roundup?
Quanta
I'm thinking seriously in getting this card, my current option is a 9600 PRO 128mb/128bit for $100 , but other fellow posters in the forum recommend me to get a Geforce 5900XT 128mb/256bit for $175. I've chosen a cheaper mobo in order to give air to my budget for the vid card.
How could this 9800 PRO EZ 128mb/128-bit be compared with the Geforce 5900XT 128mb/256bit in terms of price/performance? Where could we place this card in the Toms hardware roundup?
Quanta
Look at the benchmarks of the 9500 Pro vs 9700. You can see the differences vary wildly by game.
In the case of UT2004 with AA/AF 128bit 9500 Pro is more than 18% slower than the 9700, a pretty big difference. But if you look at Joint Operations and Far cry the difference is much smaller, around 10% slower for 128 bit.
So that gives you a range of how much slower than the 9800 Pro to expect. Look at the difference between the 9700 and the 9500 Pro, then scale the 9800 Pro the same amount and you should be pretty close to where the 128 bit version will be. At least in he cases that aren't clearly CPU limited like UT2004 with no AA/AF.
Again the 9700 and the 9500 Pro are the same cards with the exception of the memory bus width. both have 8 pipes, both run at 275core / 270memory just the 9500 pro is 128 bit and the 9700 is 256 bit. It's a pretty direct comparison to the 9800 Pro 128bit/256bit, just the 9800Pro clock speeds are at 380/340 instead of 275/270.
In the case of UT2004 with AA/AF 128bit 9500 Pro is more than 18% slower than the 9700, a pretty big difference. But if you look at Joint Operations and Far cry the difference is much smaller, around 10% slower for 128 bit.
So that gives you a range of how much slower than the 9800 Pro to expect. Look at the difference between the 9700 and the 9500 Pro, then scale the 9800 Pro the same amount and you should be pretty close to where the 128 bit version will be. At least in he cases that aren't clearly CPU limited like UT2004 with no AA/AF.
Again the 9700 and the 9500 Pro are the same cards with the exception of the memory bus width. both have 8 pipes, both run at 275core / 270memory just the 9500 pro is 128 bit and the 9700 is 256 bit. It's a pretty direct comparison to the 9800 Pro 128bit/256bit, just the 9800Pro clock speeds are at 380/340 instead of 275/270.
Well.... I was doing a little research on google and the general consensus is this: Stay away from the EZ card... apart from the 128 bit and slower memory it has quality problems.
So at this point my choice still gravitates between the 5900XT or the 9600XT/9600Pro, the real 9800 Pro that newegg carries is $200, way over my budget. They dont carry any 9800 or 9700 at this moment.
So at this point my choice still gravitates between the 5900XT or the 9600XT/9600Pro, the real 9800 Pro that newegg carries is $200, way over my budget. They dont carry any 9800 or 9700 at this moment.
I think most of the internet issues with the 128 bit version is hype factor.
Originally there was no 128 bit version. There was a 128 bit verion and people got fooled into buying it because they didn't know there was a 128 bit version. Then the internet caught wind and news spread like wildfire... 128 bit version SUCKS. But really if you look at where it would be in the listings, it would be better than both the other cards you're considering, and cheaper than the 5900XT. The 9800 Pro 128bit is definitely considerably faster than a 9600XT, with 50% more pixel pushing capability and 26% higher memory bandwidth.
Another option is to wait for cards like the 6600 and x700 to come out for AGP and get one of those, but I still think the 9800 pro 128 bit is faster than those.
Or, you can buy a used card. 9700 Pros go for around $130 on eBay and I've gotten two plain 9700s for a little over $100 each. Both atr significantly faster than a 9600XT.
The 5900XT is really not the best option because of the poor DX9 implementation. And the 9600XT is a little slow compared to the otehr cards mentioned here.
Originally there was no 128 bit version. There was a 128 bit verion and people got fooled into buying it because they didn't know there was a 128 bit version. Then the internet caught wind and news spread like wildfire... 128 bit version SUCKS. But really if you look at where it would be in the listings, it would be better than both the other cards you're considering, and cheaper than the 5900XT. The 9800 Pro 128bit is definitely considerably faster than a 9600XT, with 50% more pixel pushing capability and 26% higher memory bandwidth.
Another option is to wait for cards like the 6600 and x700 to come out for AGP and get one of those, but I still think the 9800 pro 128 bit is faster than those.
Or, you can buy a used card. 9700 Pros go for around $130 on eBay and I've gotten two plain 9700s for a little over $100 each. Both atr significantly faster than a 9600XT.
The 5900XT is really not the best option because of the poor DX9 implementation. And the 9600XT is a little slow compared to the otehr cards mentioned here.
I would have to agree with Concillian's response. Also, you need to consider what games you will be running. If you plan on playing older (non-DirectX 9) games or games that rely in OpenGL, then you may still consider the FX5900XT since its implementation of OpenGL is better than that of the ATI cards.
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