Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: Oreo
You don't seem to know how to measure the speed of a graphicscard. The way to do it is to eliminate all other bottlenecks so it is only the graphicscards themselves that are being tested. You can do this by running with newer games at high resolution and/or AA/AF.
Of course, you cherry-picked the results where the 6800 has a big edge over the 9800Pro. Look, I can do the same the other way:
Far Cry 1600x1200 4xAA/8xAF:
9800Pro: ~19fps (if 10% slower than 9800XT)
6800: ~18fps
UT2K4 1280x1024 4xAA/8xAF:
9800Pro: ~29fps
6800: ~28fps
Does that mean the 6800 is slower than the 9800Pro?
When you turn on AA and AF, the 6800 slows down a *lot*. And Halo is an X-Box port (all of which generally run better on NVIDIA), and *ALL* ATI cards have performance issues with JK:JA (you may have also noticed the vanilla 6800 beating the X800XT -- certainly some sort of game or driver issue there).
By your logic you could compare two different CPUs, a P4 1.5GHz and a P4 3GHz with the same graphicscard and come to the conclusion that the P4 3GHz wasn't faster at all. You would come to that conclusion IF you had a bottleneck in the graphicscard, if you were running the two systems with say a GF3. As I've shown you the 6800 (the actual card itself not comparing the rest of the system) is atleast 50% than a 9800 Pro. That DOES NOT mean that the 6800 will always be 50% faster than the 9800 Pro, of course not, but when "the sh!t hits the fan" it will (when you are graphicscard limited). What is that you don't understand about this?
It's not
at least 50% faster. It's
at most ~50% faster, generally at settings that make no sense to run a 9800Pro at (why buy an ATI card and run it without AA/AF, which is their biggest performance advantage?) It's more like a 15-30% performance difference if you look at a wider variety of tests and settings.
IMHO, the 6800 is the worst choice of price/performance right now (at least at $300). The 6800GT for $400 offers significantly better performance across the board, and the 9800Pro at $200 is a third cheaper and doesn't lose all that much performance in most games.
