975x or P965 for E6600??

thilanliyan

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Some people over at Xtremesystems.org seem to think the 4mb cache chips do better with a 975 board and the 2mb cache chips do better with a P965 board.

Anyway, what are your thoughts??

Are the 975 boards worth the premium if you're not goona do Crossfire??

Also, anyone know where I could buy the Biostar TForce P965 board in Canada??
 

secretanchitman

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975x boards overclock well...says AT. i dont know how the 965x ones do, but i have heard that the gigabyte DS3/DS6 or whatever mobo overclocks like mad.

if you dont need crossfire, then 965x boards are still good. or you can wait for the ati and nvidia chipsets...but i dont know about ati because of the newfangled relationship with amd.
 

Polish3d

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I would ask this question at Xtremesystems also. I personally am thinking about getting a 975x Bad Axe
 

thilanliyan

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Originally posted by: secretanchitman
975x boards overclock well...says AT. i dont know how the 965x ones do, but i have heard that the gigabyte DS3/DS6 or whatever mobo overclocks like mad.

if you dont need crossfire, then 965x boards are still good. or you can wait for the ati and nvidia chipsets...but i dont know about ati because of the newfangled relationship with amd.


Yeah I've read up on the DS3 but then it's a 965 chipset m/b...that's what I'm trying to figure out, whether to get the DS3 or some other 975 board.

Originally posted by: Frackal
I would ask this question at Xtremesystems also. I personally am thinking about getting a 975x Bad Axe

Hehe, not registered there and I'd feel like such a noob there...some of those guys are frickin crazy with hardware.
 

sunzt

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P5W DH is the awesome for 975x. Remote on feature and being able to play mp3s off a mp3 player when the computer is OFF is pretty sweet. If you have wireless mouse + keyboard then you will truely have a total wireless solution. Imagine never getting out of bed to turn off or use the computer! :D, hmm I think i'm just lazy... oh well :)
 

thilanliyan

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Bah, I changed my order to a 6400 since those seem to be available...guess I'll be getting the DS3.
 

BlingBlingArsch

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Originally posted by: sunzt
P5W DH is the awesome for 975x. Remote on feature and being able to play mp3s off a mp3 player when the computer is OFF is pretty sweet. If you have wireless mouse + keyboard then you will truely have a total wireless solution. Imagine never getting out of bed to turn off or use the computer! :D, hmm I think i'm just lazy... oh well :)


This is an open letter adressed to the people in charge at the Asus Support. Its goal is to provoke an open and active discussion between us, the Asus costumers and international hardwareboard community, and the Asus representatives about the issues adressed hereby.

Asus Support in general
The Asus Support in general, especially in the german-speaking countries, has been, simply put, a catastrophy in the last couple of years.
Emails send to the support usually take weeks, even months to be answered, if the are answered at all, most questions remain without any kind of response.
The situation in the Support Forums is the same, the official regional as well as official international Asus Support Forums are full of threads containing all sorts of question. Still, only a few of them are answered by the Asus Support.
It is also almost impossible to get a usefull answer from Phone Support, the technicans, if they can even be called that way, are mostly incompetent or, as it seems, unwilling to help. Most users consider the Asus Phone Support a waste of time and money.

The P5W DH dilemma
The Asus P5W DH is a great motherboard, at least in theory. There a hundreds and hundreds of reports from users having all different kinds of troubles with this piece of hardware. For most of those problems the Asus Support was not able to provide a solution yet, if they adressed those problems at all. The following will list some of those problems:

* Conroe / Core 2 Duo Support:
The P5W DH provides, according to its specifications, "out of the box" support for Intels new Core 2 Duo aka Conroe CPUs. This attribute is even advertised directly on the motherboards packaging. Still, a great number of boards have been shipped with bios-version 0401. With this biosversion it is impossible to run a Core 2 Duo CPU on that board. You will need an older Sockel 775 CPU, such as the Pentium 4, Pentium D or their Celeron counterparts, to flash a new biosversion to be able to run a Core 2 Duo. The question is: How to do so, if, as most users did, you bought the P5W DH specificly to run a Core 2 Duo and don't have another Sockel 775 CPU?
In that case, the motherboard is useless to you, you waste 200 to 250 euros.
If asked about this situation and how to solve it, the only response we have ever heard from the Asus Support was: "Core 2 Duo CPUs are not available yet. Case closed." Tell us, do you find such an answer helpfull at all? We don't.
Other motherboard manufacturerers normally enable you to send in such flawed products completly free of charge, so they can flash a new bios onto the board and send it back to you, or a least send you a ROM-chip with an new biosversion. The Asus Support simply doesn't care.
* The Digital Home Remote Controll:
A lot of users just can't get the remote working, allthough they did everything accoring to instructions, plugged the reciever in on of the designated USB-ports, installed the driver at the right time, it just won't work. No matter how hard they try, no matter how often they completly reinstall the hole OS. Same situation here, there is no solution to that problem yet, no answer from the Asus Support that would help.

* Vcore adjustment:
In some cases, users are unable to adjust the vcore, the only option selectable is "Auto". Some other users can select a new value for the vcore setting, but only one time, to change it again, they have to perform a complex comination of CMOS-clearing und unplugging the CMOS-battery. In some cases, the board delivers voltages, that are way below the settings, even consider the vdrop, as specified by Intel. Also here, no answer from Asus Support yet.


These are only a few examples from a various bandwidth of problems, all of which the Asus Support currently seems to be unable to provide solutions for or, at least, appear to be working on.

What we would like to see: and so on....blablaaa

 

thilanliyan

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People with remote issues have for the most part got them fixed over at xtremesystems. There was a thread dedicated to just that.
 

Brahmzy

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E6300/E6400 get a DS3 (best combo available right now.)
E6600, get something (prolly ASUS) 975X.
 

vanven

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Originally posted by: avi85
see this thread
it pretty much will tell you exactly which chipset to get.

That is a good thread with some interesting results. I think it might still be a bit early to draw a final conclusion on 975 vs 965. Right now they are very close and the 965 is still going through some growing pains. It will get better quickly as the BIOS is updated.

I went with the DS3 with my E6600. I will likely do some overclocking but nothing extreme. I couldnt justify an extra $100 for what will likely be a very small difference in performance.

Vanven
 

avi85

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Originally posted by: vanven
Originally posted by: avi85
see this thread
it pretty much will tell you exactly which chipset to get.

That is a good thread with some interesting results. I think it might still be a bit early to draw a final conclusion on 975 vs 965. Right now they are very close and the 965 is still going through some growing pains. It will get better quickly as the BIOS is updated.

I went with the DS3 with my E6600. I will likely do some overclocking but nothing extreme. I couldnt justify an extra $100 for what will likely be a very small difference in performance.

Vanven

the difference is small at a glance but if you'll notice, when the system are overclocked the differences are large, for example over a minute difference between the 2 chipsets when oc'ed to FSB 400MHz (50% overclock)
 

vanven

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Originally posted by: avi85
Originally posted by: vanven
Originally posted by: avi85
see this thread
it pretty much will tell you exactly which chipset to get.

That is a good thread with some interesting results. I think it might still be a bit early to draw a final conclusion on 975 vs 965. Right now they are very close and the 965 is still going through some growing pains. It will get better quickly as the BIOS is updated.

I went with the DS3 with my E6600. I will likely do some overclocking but nothing extreme. I couldnt justify an extra $100 for what will likely be a very small difference in performance.

Vanven

the difference is small at a glance but if you'll notice, when the system are overclocked the differences are large, for example over a minute difference between the 2 chipsets when oc'ed to FSB 400MHz (50% overclock)

If you look at the 6300 tests, I agree with you that specific test showed a difference. A minute sounds like a lot, but if you look at it as 6% difference, there could be some debate. I see some larger margins leaning towards the DS3 on other tests.

In the case of the 6600 the results are pretty much a wash. This is the one that impacts me the most, as it represents the system I am building.

Anyway, the point of my post was to point out that the DS3 was running 965 on a BIOS dated 2 months old on a chipset that isnt much older than that. Combine the Conroe compatability issues that several mobo manufacturers are having, with the relative youth of 965, and we will likely see several versions of the 965 BIOS and hopefully some improvement.

I would have bought a 975 chipset if they werent priced so high.

Vanven