97% of all job creation in 2013 has been part-time.

[fskimospy]

Technically I believe that accounts for fed AND state jobs.

If you look at fed jobs only, the number has gone up, during a recession, when we should have cutbacks.

Outside of the economic backwardness of what you're arguing, additional federal hiring has accounted for a few thousand additional jobs. It was absolutely nothing like you described. You clearly thought the chart was about Obama's presidency instead of spanning decades.

Also, as an interesting note you realize that Republican presidents have historically expanded the federal workforce much more than Democrats, right?

 

[fskimospy]

Please provide data showing that this 97% "anomaly" over the last 6 months is not related in any way to Obamacare. Unless you can prove otherwise...I'll stick to common sense if you don't mind.

Ahhh, so now I need to DISPROVE your claim. Nice try on shifting the burden of proof. That's not how logical argument works, just so you know. By that standard, I'll just attribute the change to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. No? Please provide data showing that this 'anomaly' has nothing to do with his noodly appendage.

I already provided you with far more comprehensive evidence than what you're using, it just doesn't fit what you already want to believe so you ignore it.

 

[spacejamz]

A pay as you go top-of-the-line (Nexus 4) smartphone can be had for ~$200 (craigslist used) + $30/month for unlimited text and data, 100 min voice (via TMobile), which to get someone access to internet, phone, and entertainment all in one if WAY cheaper than the monthly bill for the cheapest package from Comcast.

But then we'd hear bitching about how you don't need any help if you have a smartphone, despite it being the economical choice.

You mean the same people who think they are getting a better deal at local rent-a-center store because the payment is only $30/week will go out and actively shop for the best deal on a cell phone plan? There is a reason why those rent-a-center places are in business even though one with common sense would think they shouldn't be (isn't $30/week the same as $120/month??? LOL)

How much is an iphone 5 going for on craigslist these days? I would be willing to bet that they would want the iphone over anything because it has the wi-fi's and more GB's....(see iphone vs android on youtube if you don't get the reference)...

 

[sm625]

2013? We are still missing 5 million breadwinner jobs since 2008. The US had more full time (breadwinner) jobs 10 years ago than it does now. These are depression era facts.

We are in fact in a depression that you dont hear about because the top 1% have been bailed out of it via money printing.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Ahhh, so now I need to DISPROVE your claim. Nice try on shifting the burden of proof. That's not how logical argument works, just so you know. By that standard, I'll just attribute the change to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. No? Please provide data showing that this 'anomaly' has nothing to do with his noodly appendage.

I already provided you with far more comprehensive evidence than what you're using, it just doesn't fit what you already want to believe so you ignore it.

You said:

That is certainly a possible outcome, but it is not currently backed up by the data.

All I'm asking is from you is to show me that data you're referring to that supports your claim. Instead I get diversion and bullshit. Come on eskimospy...surely you can do better than this.

 

[fskimospy]

You said:


All I'm asking is from you to show me that data you're referring to. Instead I get diversion and bullshit. Come on eskimopspy...surely you can do better than this.

You mean the data I explicitly provided you a link to in my very first response?

Come on,friend DSF. Some basic reading skills are all I'm asking for. Not reading links, delving into flying spaghetti monster logic, etc, etc? Surely you can do better than this.

 

[buckshot24]

No you can't. As I said earlier, Obama has presided over a net decrease in government jobs. I like how even after your point is explicitly shown to be wrong and you acknowledge your error you still try and claim that your point stands. Why double down?

It doesn't look like government jobs in the graph are only federal. Federal jobs increased in 2009 and have stayed steady until 2011.

http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-over...ables/total-government-employment-since-1962/

 

[buckshot24]

Outside of the economic backwardness of what you're arguing, additional federal hiring has accounted for a few thousand additional jobs. It was absolutely nothing like you described. You clearly thought the chart was about Obama's presidency instead of spanning decades.

Also, as an interesting note you realize that Republican presidents have historically expanded the federal workforce much more than Democrats, right?

Can you for once admit that you fucked up?

 

[buckshot24]

Ahhh, so now I need to DISPROVE your claim. Nice try on shifting the burden of proof. That's not how logical argument works, just so you know. By that standard, I'll just attribute the change to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. No? Please provide data showing that this 'anomaly' has nothing to do with his noodly appendage.

How about that there is no evidence that this thing exists. Obamacare exists and it has real provable impacts on employers. It's right in the law!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You mean the data I explicitly provided you a link to in my very first response?

Come on,friend DSF. Some basic reading skills are all I'm asking for. Not reading links, delving into flying spaghetti monster logic, etc, etc? Surely you can do better than this.

Please quote the relevant section of data that supports your statement that this unprecendanted "anomaly" is not related to Obamacare. Please be patient with me...I'm apparently not nearly as smart as you.

 

[fskimospy]

Can you for once admit that you fucked up?

Are you kidding? He responded to a chart that showed declining government employment by stating that Obama was falsely inflating employment statistics through massive government hiring. That is in no way even REMOTELY supported by the data. Like, not even close.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Can you for once admit that you fucked up?

I wouldn't hold your breath.

 

[fskimospy]

Please quote the relevant section of data that supports your statement that this unprecendanted "anomaly" is not related to Obamacare. Please be patient with me...I'm apparently not nearly as smart as you.

Since the passage of the ACA there is a multi-year downward trend in the percentage of employees that are part time, there is a 6 month trend upwards in the percentage of employees that are part time. From that data it is not possible to conclude that the ACA is the driving factor in this.

This was all in the article, what part of it made it tough for you to understand?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

B-b-b-b-buh buh buh b-b-b-but the evil republicans are causing this I swear they are!! I can't prove it but the DATA SHOWS it!!! Can't link the data but hahahaha are you kidding that's how it is. Hahaha.




ROFL I love this place. It's difficult to argue with logic and reason, isn't it?

 

[fskimospy]

How about that there is no evidence that this thing exists. Obamacare exists and it has real provable impacts on employers. It's right in the law!

Again, I have to ask if you are serious. Do you not understand how logic works or what the spaghetti monster represents? It represents the logical fallacies inherent in shifting the burden of proof away from the person making the claim to the person disproving it, not on whether or not something specific exists.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Since the passage of the ACA there is a multi-year downward trend in the percentage of employees that are part time, there is a 6 month trend upwards in the percentage of employees that are part time. From that data it is not possible to conclude that the ACA is the driving factor in this.

This was all in the article, what part of it made it tough for you to understand?

Are you literally incapable of logically looking at what's going on here?

In all seriousness it's way too early to say with statistics and data why exactly companies are leaning heavily towards part-time short term labor, but it's blatantly obvious that NO company wants to lock in a full time employee with our current administration's complete flakiness in regards to what they're going to force business to do with these full time low wage emps.


This current administration reminds me so much of our illogical liberalies in ATPN. Just blindly make decisions with no regard for the implications, and if business don't comply simply fine them to death.




So who will be the next great superpower? At the rate we're going no business is going to stay in this country.

 

[buckshot24]

Are you kidding? He responded to a chart that showed declining government employment by stating that Obama was falsely inflating employment statistics through massive government hiring. That is in no way even REMOTELY supported by the data. Like, not even close.

I'm not saying he didn't fuck up I'm saying you DID. The graph includes state and other local government decreases that Obama had nothing to do with.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Again, I have to ask if you are serious. Do you not understand how logic works or what the spaghetti monster represents? It represents the logical fallacies inherent in shifting the burden of proof away from the person making the claim to the person disproving it, not on whether or not something specific exists.

Um what....? LOL I love how you make absolutely asinine posts like this while asking if someone else is serious.

 

[EagleKeeper]

<righty>

Employment sucks in this country and all I can do is complain and whine about it. I have no solutions to fixing the problem but I'd rather watch the country fail than to let a party with solutions try and fix the mess.

P.s.
We don't care if you vote for us, we already have the election rigged!

<righty>

Or I could have just quoted the previous posters who pretty much said the same thing.

Get and keep the government off my back.
Present a sound fiscal roadmap.

When I am confident that the government wants me to succeed as a small business and is not going to shaft me by enacting retroactive regulations or implement new ones that will increase my costs; I will consider expanding if the demand is there.

There is no way, I am going to stick my neck out on uncertainty.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm not saying he didn't fuck up I'm saying you DID. The graph includes state and other local government decreases that Obama had nothing to do with.

What are you even trying to argue anymore? This is super simple.

1.) DSF posted a chart.

2.) SpaciallyAware said that based on that chart Obama was falsely inflating employment by hiring 'MASSIVE' amounts of government workers, because he didn't read the chart he was referencing.

3.) I told him that his chart shows a decrease in government employment under Obama, meaning the chart actually showed the opposite of what he claimed.

 

[fskimospy]

Are you literally incapable of logically looking at what's going on here?

In all seriousness it's way too early to say with statistics and data why exactly companies are leaning heavily towards part-time short term labor, but it's blatantly obvious that NO company wants to lock in a full time employee with our current administration's complete flakiness in regards to what they're going to force business to do with these full time low wage emps.

This current administration reminds me so much of our illogical liberalies in ATPN. Just blindly make decisions with no regard for the implications, and if business don't comply simply fine them to death.

So who will be the next great superpower? At the rate we're going no business is going to stay in this country.

Uhmmm, why don't you go back and look at the part time employment chart and see when it went way up.

Then, go look at the uncertainty index.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

What are you even trying to argue anymore? This is super simple.

1.) DSF posted a chart.

2.) SpaciallyAware said that based on that chart Obama was falsely inflating employment by hiring 'MASSIVE' amounts of government workers, because he didn't read the chart he was referencing.

3.) I told him that his chart shows a decrease in government employment under Obama, meaning the chart actually showed the opposite of what he claimed.

Do you seriously not understand that the chart shows fed and STATE workers. STATE workers........ Which, btw, obama's super awesome stimulus was supposed to keep on deck anyway, so chalk that up as another failure by our Dear Leader.

Fed employees rose what, 140k++ jobs? And this is during a recession with major cutbacks??



I may have read the poorly labelled graph incorrectly but my point still stands.

 

[buckshot24]

Again, I have to ask if you are serious. Do you not understand how logic works or what the spaghetti monster represents? It represents the logical fallacies inherent in shifting the burden of proof away from the person making the claim to the person disproving it, not on whether or not something specific exists.

What kind of proof do you need? Obamacare provides an incentive to employers to not hire full time people. Part time employees have increased since its passage. Now there might be another explanation as to why the study in the OP showed 97% of jobs created this year are part time. We can't "prove" it is Obamacare but putting two and two together it certainly looks like it is a big factor.

 

[fskimospy]

What kind of proof do you need? Obamacare provides an incentive to employers to not hire full time people. Part time employees have increased since its passage. Now there might be another explanation as to why the study in the OP showed 97% of jobs created this year are part time. We can't "prove" it is Obamacare but putting two and two together it certainly looks like it is a big factor.

You realize that the numbers of part time employees has DECREASED since its passage, not increased, right?

Speaking of admitting when you fucked up.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

What kind of proof do you need? Obamacare provides an incentive to employers to not hire full time people. Part time employees have increased since its passage. Now there might be another explanation as to why the study in the OP showed 97% of jobs created this year are part time. We can't "prove" it is Obamacare but putting two and two together it certainly looks like it is a big factor.

One would have to be willfully ignorant to not think these part times jobs are overwhelmingly due to our Dear Leader's graciousness.