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9600XT or 9600PRO, will be ocing, and which brand is best for ocing

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dannybin1742

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so i'm thinking about getting a 9600XT or a 9600pro and ocing it to xt, i know they both should overclock fairly well cause they are both .13micron parts. is the only difference between the two clock speed of the gpu and ram?

so my questions are:

1: should i get the 9600xt or the PRO
2: which brand generally has the most oc head room- in terms of the GPU
3: what ocs are you getting? (for users who have either)

i'm replacing a tnt2 in my backup system at home, which is slowly gettig upgraded

here are the stats

2400+ mobile oced to 2.4ghz (just upgraded)
768mb of pc2100ram (ram and bus run synchronously at 266)
tnt2 16mb of ram video card
shuttle ak35gtr mobo(does not support dividers for 333fsb)
550W enermax psu
40gb ata IV HD by seagate
older 17" viewsonic vga monitor (does 75hz at 1024X768)
 
i'm not worried about cost so much, i know the 9700s are really nice, i have one in one of my computers, but i'd like to try the 9600 oced it has a bit more headroom to oc than a 9700pro

i was looking at newegg refurbs of 9600XT, they have a few brands and they all ranged in $115-120, on the forums here it looks about the same (for 9600XT)
 
Pick a 5900XT from Leadtek already selling for < 180. That will toast your 9600XT.

If you want to stick with the 9600XT. Currently only the following brands have some OC Headroom


1. HIS 9600XT, runs only 47 deg C under full load
2. ASUS 9600XT, super bundle, even larger Heatsink, good Ocer
3. ABIT, Unique design, large dispersion area
 
so my questions are:

1: should i get the 9600xt or the PRO
2: which brand generally has the most oc head room- in terms of the GPU
3: what ocs are you getting? (for users who have either)
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I have a Sapphire 9600 pro ultimate edition. I have changed the cooler to arctic silencer and have placed heat sinks on the ram. I can overclock the core to 470 (from 400) and the memory to 350 (from 300).
I am thinking of upgrading now.

9600XT (same as 9800XT) lets you see the temperature.

Keep this in mind:
http://mirror.ati.com/support/infobase/4219.html
 
my 9600xt didn't over clock very well. I hit a wall at about the same as others at around 550 core and 320 memory. It didn't offer very much proformance at all. The 9700 has 8 pipelines insted of 4, 256bit mem bus insted of 128. IMO you will see a much larger differance using a 9700 than you will ocing a 9600.
 
I have a Transcend 9600 Pro overclocked to 475/330 with factory cooling. I have yet to experience any artifacts (or any other problems) and I run the hell out of it. That card, along with the rest of my system ran Far Cry flawlessly at 10x7, with all settings on "highest." I have no desire to upgrade unless D3/HL2 really strains my system at similar settings. I was told that Far Cry (at those settings) would strain it but it ran like a champ and looked phenomonal.

I could probably squeeze out a little more of my card, but it runs great so I'm not going to push it with just factory cooling.
 
DONT GET A 9600XT OR EQUIVELENT!!

Get a Refurb 9700Pro 5900XT or 9800Pro or even an SE and softmod it. Those three will be MUCH MUCH faster.

-Kevin
 
Originally posted by: nvfx
Pick a 5900XT from Leadtek already selling for < 180. That will toast your 9600XT.
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Not true. With no eye candy the 5900XT is faster. In shader heavy games like Farcry/HL2 the 9600XT is faster. And in DX (the vast majority of games) with 8AF the 9600XT and 5900XT are very close in performance.

And if he?s going to spend ~$180 ? he might as well get a 9800pro.
 
actually i've found a user that might sell me his 9700 pro for $115, if a trade falls through, i'd like to spend right around $100-125
 
Originally posted by: dannybin1742
i'd like to try the 9600 oced it has a bit more headroom to oc than a 9700pro
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For a 9600 to perform the same as a 9700, it has to be clocked twice as high. So take the 9700 at it's stock speed of 325mhz. You would need a 9600 to be clocked at 650mhz just to match the 9700 at STOCK SPEEDS. On top of that, this doesn't even take the 256bit vs. 128bit bus situation into account.

My 9700PRO easily hits 360mhz on the core. You would need to hit 720mhz on the 9600 to match it, which is a physical impossibility unless you live in Antarctica.

Suffice to say I'm suggesting you buy a 9800PRO; they are cheap enough these days. 9600 is a pretty junky card these days and it won't be running DoomIII well in the least. The 9600 isn't even much faster than an 8500 in DX8.
 
If your still looking at getting a 9600XT the Asus 9600XT TVD has VIVO and is probably the same card at the 9600XT AIW without the TV tuner. Its got the same samsung 2.8ns ram good up to aroung 700 mhz. Plus the Asus card allows overclocks with provided tools upto 530/650. About the same as the AIW. I would think it could OC even higher. A few reviews seem to have gotten in to the 570/680 realm.
 
I do find it interesting that the 9600XT AIW basically has the FASTEST core speed of ANY graphics card at 525mhz.
 
I use the Power Color 9600XT model R96T-TC3.

Core Speed 500MHz
Memory Speed 340MHz x2

I still haven't tried Overdrive yet.

So far its been a fine card.
 
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
I use the Power Color 9600XT model R96T-TC3.

Core Speed 500MHz
Memory Speed 340MHz x2

I still haven't tried Overdrive yet.

So far its been a fine card.
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Those are stock speeds. I hope your vid card runs at that.
 
Originally posted by: Cawchy87
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
I use the Power Color 9600XT model R96T-TC3.

Core Speed 500MHz
Memory Speed 340MHz x2

I still haven't tried Overdrive yet.

So far its been a fine card.
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Those are stock speeds. I hope your vid card runs at that.
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I just enabled overdrive and my core speed is now 526MHz and 38C.

I will have to check mem speed too.
 
overdrive's highest overclock is 526mhz and doesn't o/c the ram. Download the omega drivers if you would like to overclock further.
 
Originally posted by: Cawchy87
overdrive's highest overclock is 526mhz and doesn't o/c the ram. Download the omega drivers if you would like to overclock further.
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That's ok, I am not into OCing much anyway.

My mem speed according to Powerstrip is 337 MHz x2

I am using the 4.7 catalyst drivers now.
 
No matter how much you overclock, it won't catch up to the 9700. I got a 9600pro and it overclocks without trouble to 500/350, but for new games like far cry, the performance still leaves something to be desired.
 
i have my gigabyte 9600pro @ 510/337 now. it has a giant 3 on it though and some ram sinks. before the extra cooling i got 500/333
 
Originally posted by: clicknext
No matter how much you overclock, it won't catch up to the 9700. I got a 9600pro and it overclocks without trouble to 500/350, but for new games like far cry, the performance still leaves something to be desired.
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Then you need to check other aspects of your computer because I can assure you that Far Cry ran like a champ on my 9600 Pro. I'm running an Athlon 2200+, 1024 PC2700 and my 9600 at 475/330. I had every setting on highest and at 1024x768 when I played Far Cry and the game looked great and never skipped a beat with super smooth gameplay. Both in single player or multiplayer.

I'm not saying the 9600 Pro is comparable to the 9700 Pro but I can't fathom how someone is having trouble running Far Cry to their approval, with either card. If so, then you got other issues because the 9600 Pro is probably the best bang for your buck card out there (definitely on the ATI side anyway).
 
Originally posted by: 49erinnc
Originally posted by: clicknext
No matter how much you overclock, it won't catch up to the 9700. I got a 9600pro and it overclocks without trouble to 500/350, but for new games like far cry, the performance still leaves something to be desired.
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Then you need to check other aspects of your computer because I can assure you that Far Cry ran like a champ on my 9600 Pro. I'm running an Athlon 2200+, 1024 PC2700 and my 9600 at 475/330. I had every setting on highest and at 1024x768 when I played Far Cry and the game looked great and never skipped a beat with super smooth gameplay. Both in single player or multiplayer.

I'm not saying the 9600 Pro is comparable to the 9700 Pro but I can't fathom how someone is having trouble running Far Cry to their approval, with either card. If so, then you got other issues because the 9600 Pro is probably the best bang for your buck card out there (definitely on the ATI side anyway).
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The 9800pro is a much better performance value than 9600pro, and an overclocked 9600 will definately not give you the same gaming experience, especially in titles like far cry than a 9700. The 9600 is an adequate value gamer however.
 
Originally posted by: rbV5
Originally posted by: 49erinnc
Originally posted by: clicknext
No matter how much you overclock, it won't catch up to the 9700. I got a 9600pro and it overclocks without trouble to 500/350, but for new games like far cry, the performance still leaves something to be desired.
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Then you need to check other aspects of your computer because I can assure you that Far Cry ran like a champ on my 9600 Pro. I'm running an Athlon 2200+, 1024 PC2700 and my 9600 at 475/330. I had every setting on highest and at 1024x768 when I played Far Cry and the game looked great and never skipped a beat with super smooth gameplay. Both in single player or multiplayer.

I'm not saying the 9600 Pro is comparable to the 9700 Pro but I can't fathom how someone is having trouble running Far Cry to their approval, with either card. If so, then you got other issues because the 9600 Pro is probably the best bang for your buck card out there (definitely on the ATI side anyway).
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The 9800pro is a much better performance value than 9600pro, and an overclocked 9600 will definately not give you the same gaming experience, especially in titles like far cry than a 9700. The 9600 is an adequate value gamer however.
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I completely agree with that. I never suggested the 9600P was on par with the 9800P but that wasn't the point of the original post in this thread. I only posted in support of the 9600P being a very adequate gaming card IF you have some other decent specs to support it, because he was asking about the overclocking abilities of it. And it just bugs me when people assume that it will struggle on a game like Far Cry when in fact, it doesn't if properly complimented and configured.

And as for the next post, I also agree that based on the current prices, you're much better off getting the 9800Pro. But when I bought my 9600P off Newegg, the 9800 Pro was still quite expensive. I think in another 6 months, the 9800Pro will replace the 9600P as the best bang for your buck. Actually, I think it may be already and definitely if/when it hits around $150 (new OEM).
 
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