9600GT SLi review

[AzN]

Originally posted by: SniperDaws
Azn what have you got against the 9600GT ?

ive gone through a lot of benchmarks its pretty clear that the 9600GT performs as good as the 8800GT all this on half the hardware of the 8800GT

the 9600gt simply isnt just a cut down version of the 8800GT because

1 the 9600GT would perform half as good as the 8800GT.

2 the 9800GT will be the same as the 8800GTS ( a G92 with 128 SP's.)


There is more to a graphics card than SP's.

Nothing it is what it is. A competition to 3870.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Thanks. Now it would be kewl if you went up and changed your post where you said they can be had for 350.00. That was misleading. You might feel like I'm giving you a hard time. And you'd be right.
I..... do..... not...... like..... FUD.....
Or when folks say things on a whim, at least without checking first.

Well I was skimming through the hot deal section and I thought I saw it @ 360 or so. I wasn't really interested in buying anyway.

Then I would like for you to stop spreading fud and change all your posts on how G94 has these supposed tweaks over G92. And you pointing to $449 price of x2. Fair enough?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: SniperDaws

Originally posted by: Azn
http://www.bit-tech.net/conten...s_512/8800gts-flow.jpg
G92GTS

http://www.bit-tech.net/conten..._graphics_card/g94.jpg
G94

you can show all the pictures you like the fact is the 9600GT with half the hardware performs as good as the 8800GT.


EDIT: and im very sorry to the thread starter as this wasnt the topic of debate and it seems to have gone the wrong way.

I never said it doesn't perform. I'm happy you got a 9600gt. Not my business what you got but the facts remain. There is no evidence of these supposed optimizations Keys is talking about.

The layout is exactly the same just on a smaller scale.

Hence the performance should be..................... what?

If a Radeon 9800 (8 pipes) was cut down to 4 pipes, and everything else was left the same, what would happen to it's performance?

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: SniperDaws

Originally posted by: Azn
http://www.bit-tech.net/conten...s_512/8800gts-flow.jpg
G92GTS

http://www.bit-tech.net/conten..._graphics_card/g94.jpg
G94

you can show all the pictures you like the fact is the 9600GT with half the hardware performs as good as the 8800GT.


EDIT: and im very sorry to the thread starter as this wasnt the topic of debate and it seems to have gone the wrong way.

I never said it doesn't perform. I'm happy you got a 9600gt. Not my business what you got but the facts remain. There is no evidence of these supposed optimizations Keys is talking about.

The layout is exactly the same just on a smaller scale.

Hence the performance should be..................... what?

If a Radeon 9800 (8 pipes) was cut down to 4 pipes, and everything else was left the same, what would happen to it's performance?

I don't know you tell me. According to you I should be observing.

 

[SniperDaws]

At the end of day benchmarks speak for themselves, i couldnt give a flying frick if the 8800 had 1000 sp's the point is there must be somthing diffrent that we dont know about yet for the 9600GT to perform as good as it does.


Maybe we will find out when the 9800 series is released.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Or when folks say things on a whim, at least without checking first.

You might wanna check what Extelleron said in the post you quoted him on. He didn't say anything about dual core 45nm CPUs.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Thanks. Now it would be kewl if you went up and changed your post where you said they can be had for 350.00. That was misleading. You might feel like I'm giving you a hard time. And you'd be right.
I..... do..... not...... like..... FUD.....
Or when folks say things on a whim, at least without checking first.

Well I was skimming through the hot deal section and I thought I saw it @ 360 or so. I wasn't really interested in buying anyway.

Then I would like for you to stop spreading fud and change all your posts on how G94 has these supposed tweaks over G92. Fair enough?

I'm spreading FUD!!! Even the reviewers are wondering what Nvidia has done to accomplish this feat. That's all I'm doing is wondering as well. Then you come in here saying matter of factly, that it's just a cut down G92.
Then they say the higher clocks are responsible. Oh really? A 50MHz core and 125MHz shader increase is going to make up for a 48 shader handicap? Do you really believe that?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Or when folks say things on a whim, at least without checking first.

You might wanna check what Extelleron said in the post you quoted him on. He didn't say anything about dual core 45nm CPUs.

You are correct. However this doesn't really make his statements true about Nvidia chipsets "not being very good". You don't need Quad core to run SLI to it's limits. He made it sound like there was no other option but a 250 mobo and a quad core 45nm CPU.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: SniperDaws

Originally posted by: Azn
http://www.bit-tech.net/conten...s_512/8800gts-flow.jpg
G92GTS

http://www.bit-tech.net/conten..._graphics_card/g94.jpg
G94

you can show all the pictures you like the fact is the 9600GT with half the hardware performs as good as the 8800GT.


EDIT: and im very sorry to the thread starter as this wasnt the topic of debate and it seems to have gone the wrong way.

I never said it doesn't perform. I'm happy you got a 9600gt. Not my business what you got but the facts remain. There is no evidence of these supposed optimizations Keys is talking about.

The layout is exactly the same just on a smaller scale.

Hence the performance should be..................... what?

If a Radeon 9800 (8 pipes) was cut down to 4 pipes, and everything else was left the same, what would happen to it's performance?

I don't know you tell me. According to you I should be observing.

You might call that an answer. I call it a cop out. You're playing a game.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Thanks. Now it would be kewl if you went up and changed your post where you said they can be had for 350.00. That was misleading. You might feel like I'm giving you a hard time. And you'd be right.
I..... do..... not...... like..... FUD.....
Or when folks say things on a whim, at least without checking first.

Well I was skimming through the hot deal section and I thought I saw it @ 360 or so. I wasn't really interested in buying anyway.

Then I would like for you to stop spreading fud and change all your posts on how G94 has these supposed tweaks over G92. Fair enough?

I'm spreading FUD!!! Even the reviewers are wondering what Nvidia has done to accomplish this feat. That's all I'm doing is wondering as well. Then you come in here saying matter of factly, that it's just a cut down G92.
Then they say the higher clocks are responsible. Oh really? A 50MHz core and 125MHz shader increase is going to make up for a 48 shader handicap? Do you really believe that?

Where is your evidence? I gave you a link of what you thought I was spreading fud on about x2 costing $350 in the hot deal section and then you link to some retail price like that was what I said. I want layouts of the chip or some actual proof backing up your claims.

The only thing I found was compression technology which is also available on G92 chips as well.

Yup I believe it. 8800gt is still the faster card on games that are more shader intensive.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: SniperDaws

Originally posted by: Azn
http://www.bit-tech.net/conten...s_512/8800gts-flow.jpg
G92GTS

http://www.bit-tech.net/conten..._graphics_card/g94.jpg
G94

you can show all the pictures you like the fact is the 9600GT with half the hardware performs as good as the 8800GT.


EDIT: and im very sorry to the thread starter as this wasnt the topic of debate and it seems to have gone the wrong way.

I never said it doesn't perform. I'm happy you got a 9600gt. Not my business what you got but the facts remain. There is no evidence of these supposed optimizations Keys is talking about.

The layout is exactly the same just on a smaller scale.

Hence the performance should be..................... what?

If a Radeon 9800 (8 pipes) was cut down to 4 pipes, and everything else was left the same, what would happen to it's performance?

I don't know you tell me. According to you I should be observing.

You might call that an answer. I call it a cop out. You're playing a game.

Looks like you are the one who's playing the game. Telling me I should be observing and now you want me to tell you what I think.

Why would you compare ROP vs SP? Much like you tried to compared 320SP to Nvidia's SP on the tweaktown thread. It's ridiculous.

 

[SniperDaws]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Thanks. Now it would be kewl if you went up and changed your post where you said they can be had for 350.00. That was misleading. You might feel like I'm giving you a hard time. And you'd be right.
I..... do..... not...... like..... FUD.....
Or when folks say things on a whim, at least without checking first.

Well I was skimming through the hot deal section and I thought I saw it @ 360 or so. I wasn't really interested in buying anyway.

Then I would like for you to stop spreading fud and change all your posts on how G94 has these supposed tweaks over G92. Fair enough?

I'm spreading FUD!!! Even the reviewers are wondering what Nvidia has done to accomplish this feat. That's all I'm doing is wondering as well. Then you come in here saying matter of factly, that it's just a cut down G92.
Then they say the higher clocks are responsible. Oh really? A 50MHz core and 125MHz shader increase is going to make up for a 48 shader handicap? Do you really believe that?

Where is your evidence? I gave you a link of what you thought I was spreading fud on about x2 costing $350 in the hot deal section and then you link to some retail price like that was what I said. I want layouts of the chip or some actual proof backing up your claims.

The only thing I found was compression technology which is also available on G92 chips as well.

Yup I believe it. 8800gt is still the faster card on games that are more shader intensive.

Can you tell me what are shader intensive games so i can go and look at some benchmarks to compare, i know Crysis is very shader hungry but jesus that game brings the fastest card to its knee's.

 

[Keysplayr]

It was an untrue statement. You cannot get a 3870X2 for 350.00. Right now. Anywhere. Although I think this might be a different story next week.

If this compression technology is available on G92 chips, is it being used? Because, "where's the beef?"

At any rate, my wonderings, which you call "claims" are more reasonable than your utter denial. The benchmarks tell the tale.

 

[AzN]

http://www.tomshardware.com/20...ce_9600_gt/page10.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/20...ce_9600_gt/page14.html

those 48more SP is taking a significant lead here.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
It was an untrue statement. You cannot get a 3870X2 for 350.00. Right now. Anywhere. Although I think this might be a different story next week.

If this compression technology is available on G92 chips, is it being used? Because, "where's the beef?"

At any rate, my wonderings, which you call "claims" are more reasonable than your utter denial. The benchmarks tell the tale.

That's fine. I never said it was an everyday price.

The beef? Although I tried to explain it to you Tweaktown thread because you were sincere about it and that you wanted to open up your mind but you had made up your mind that G94 had some magical optimization over G92 because it performs the way it does.

I think Cookie Monster explained it better than I. 8800gt is just unbalanced card where it's hungry for memory bandwidth while 9600gt is more balanced card where games aren't shader bound.

 

[SniperDaws]

Originally posted by: Azn
http://www.tomshardware.com/20...ce_9600_gt/page10.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/20...ce_9600_gt/page14.html

those 48more SP is taking a significant lead here.

lmfao is that the best you can come up with ?

Azn im done you are a windup, Age of Empires 3 and Stalker from benchmarks done by the great Tomshardware.

lets see how it fares in a few weeks with more optimised drivers for the 9600GT.

 

[krnmastersgt]

All this from the guy that thinks the 9800 GTX is going to be a factory overclocked 8800 GTS with nicer packaging.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: SniperDaws

Originally posted by: Azn
http://www.bit-tech.net/conten...s_512/8800gts-flow.jpg
G92GTS

http://www.bit-tech.net/conten..._graphics_card/g94.jpg
G94

you can show all the pictures you like the fact is the 9600GT with half the hardware performs as good as the 8800GT.


EDIT: and im very sorry to the thread starter as this wasnt the topic of debate and it seems to have gone the wrong way.

I never said it doesn't perform. I'm happy you got a 9600gt. Not my business what you got but the facts remain. There is no evidence of these supposed optimizations Keys is talking about.

The layout is exactly the same just on a smaller scale.

Hence the performance should be..................... what?

If a Radeon 9800 (8 pipes) was cut down to 4 pipes, and everything else was left the same, what would happen to it's performance?

I don't know you tell me. According to you I should be observing.

You might call that an answer. I call it a cop out. You're playing a game.

Looks like you are the one who's playing the game. Telling me I should be observing and now you want me to tell you what I think.

Why would you compare ROP vs SP? Much like you tried to compared 320SP to Nvidia's SP on the tweaktown thread. It's ridiculous.

And since you opted to not just observe, I thought we'd continue our conversation.

ROP to SP? Why not? What is the difference other than the way things are rendered and shaded? Still just cut down.

And comparing AMD's sp's to Nvidia sp's??? Please. Why would I? Show me the post that you took out of context and I'll clear it up for you.

 

[SniperDaws]

You might have to wait a while i think Azn has gone to find every benchmark where the 9600GT loses to the 8800GT

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: SniperDaws

Originally posted by: Azn
http://www.tomshardware.com/20...ce_9600_gt/page10.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/20...ce_9600_gt/page14.html

those 48more SP is taking a significant lead here.

lmfao is that the best you can come up with ?

Azn im done you are a windup, Age of Empires 3 and Stalker from benchmarks done by the great Tomshardware.

lets see how it fares in a few weeks with more optimised drivers for the 9600GT.

What's wrong with Tom's? It is hardware website much like Anandtech's.

Again. I'm happy you got 9600gt. No one is bad mouth about your card. I'm just laying out some facts and evidence.

 

[krnmastersgt]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: SniperDaws

Originally posted by: Azn
http://www.tomshardware.com/20...ce_9600_gt/page10.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/20...ce_9600_gt/page14.html

those 48more SP is taking a significant lead here.

lmfao is that the best you can come up with ?

Azn im done you are a windup, Age of Empires 3 and Stalker from benchmarks done by the great Tomshardware.

lets see how it fares in a few weeks with more optimised drivers for the 9600GT.

What's wrong with Tom's? It is hardware website much like Anandtech's.

Again. I'm happy you got 9600gt. No one is bad mouth about your card. I'm just laying out some facts and evidence.

They rated a cpu cooler as terrible because they had some difficulty mounting it, what's wrong with that picture hmm?

 

[SniperDaws]

i havent got it yet, i can still send it back when it gets here you know........lol, im not bitter about buying a 9600GT.

after seeing what it can do in World in Conflict nevermind these benchies and reviews ill be a happy little soldier on Monday.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: SniperDaws

Originally posted by: Azn
http://www.bit-tech.net/conten...s_512/8800gts-flow.jpg
G92GTS

http://www.bit-tech.net/conten..._graphics_card/g94.jpg
G94

you can show all the pictures you like the fact is the 9600GT with half the hardware performs as good as the 8800GT.


EDIT: and im very sorry to the thread starter as this wasnt the topic of debate and it seems to have gone the wrong way.

I never said it doesn't perform. I'm happy you got a 9600gt. Not my business what you got but the facts remain. There is no evidence of these supposed optimizations Keys is talking about.

The layout is exactly the same just on a smaller scale.

Hence the performance should be..................... what?

If a Radeon 9800 (8 pipes) was cut down to 4 pipes, and everything else was left the same, what would happen to it's performance?

I don't know you tell me. According to you I should be observing.

You might call that an answer. I call it a cop out. You're playing a game.

Looks like you are the one who's playing the game. Telling me I should be observing and now you want me to tell you what I think.

Why would you compare ROP vs SP? Much like you tried to compared 320SP to Nvidia's SP on the tweaktown thread. It's ridiculous.

And since you opted to not just observe, I thought we'd continue our conversation.

ROP to SP? Why not? What is the difference other than the way things are rendered and shaded? Still just cut down.

And comparing AMD's sp's to Nvidia sp's??? Please. Why would I? Show me the post that you took out of context and I'll clear it up for you.

What do you think a ROP and SP does anyways? Why don't you explain this to me first.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: SniperDaws
i havent got it yet, i can still send it back when it gets here you know........lol, im not bitter about buying a 9600GT.

after seeing what it can do in World in Conflict nevermind these benchies and reviews ill be a happy little soldier on Monday.

Sniper. No one said the card sucks. It's a good choice. It performs just as good as 3870.

 

[SniperDaws]

No i know i just wanted to know why the 9600GT performed as good as the 8800GT with half the hardware, but it could be a driver optimisation as a some people are saying and if it is indeed then ill be taking the card back and getting the 8800GT because the 8800GT will also be getting a boost when its starts using the driver.

Azn take a look at this, Crysis is very shader intensive but the 9600 beats the 8800 by 1fps at 1280x ths is what i dont get.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/...wzLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==


Oops nevermind for some reason the settings arent the same for any of the cards.

lol great review HardOCP lmfao.