SunnyD
Belgian Waffler
Originally posted by: Azn
Why didn't you get a 4670?
Because no 4670's were selling for $30 maybe? Even I can't argue with that (especially since despite our discussions - I am willing to deal with rebates).
SunnyD
Belgian Waffler
Originally posted by: Azn
Wasn't that the main focus of my argument? Glad you finally came to your senses.
Given the choice of a 4670 for say $60 and a 9600GSO for $30 after rebate, I'd still but the 4670. For $80, not so much.
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Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: Azn
Wasn't that the main focus of my argument? Glad you finally came to your senses.
Given the choice of a 4670 for say $60 and a 9600GSO for $30 after rebate, I'd still but the 4670. For $80, not so much.
$30 difference you would still pick a chip that perform about same? For $50 difference you wouldn't? Quite a skewed logic you got there.
Spike
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Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: Azn
Wasn't that the main focus of my argument? Glad you finally came to your senses.
Given the choice of a 4670 for say $60 and a 9600GSO for $30 after rebate, I'd still but the 4670. For $80, not so much.
I was in the same boat. I would have rather had a 4670 and even paid a few more $ for it but with the 9600GSO being $32 AR, AC, and MS cashback it was VERY hard to say no... so hard in fact I couldn't and now it's happily running in my HTPC.
bryanW1995
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Originally posted by: Zap
Yeah, no BFG either.
That's what I was thinking.
Because it will never be that cheap. Reason is the more costly core and more complex/costly PCB compared to, say, the 9500 GT. Now, if the "new" GSO became a G94-like 55nm core with 128 bit memory, then the price will likely go down a decent bit - but where does that leave the 9500 GT?
Dunno, NVIDIA's stack is too compressed with the 9600 GSO, 9600 GT and 9800 GT all vying in a $40 or less spread (not counting the recent $50 GSOs).
I got mine for $36
SunnyD
Belgian Waffler
Originally posted by: Azn
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: Azn
Wasn't that the main focus of my argument? Glad you finally came to your senses.
Given the choice of a 4670 for say $60 and a 9600GSO for $30 after rebate, I'd still but the 4670. For $80, not so much.
$30 difference you would still pick a chip that perform about same? For $50 difference you wouldn't? Quite a skewed logic you got there.
Ahh, but is it? I run an AMD setup with an AMD chipset, why wouldn't I want the benefits of using an AMD card on that same chipset? Same reason why people run NVIDIA cards on NVIDIA chipsets I suppose. Nothing skewed at all.
SunnyD
Belgian Waffler
Hybrid video, SurroundView, PowerPlay (I have a 790GX, being able to to run multiple additional monitors is handy), and most importantly CrossFire - none of which will work with a NVIDIA video card. Can't run SLI on an AMD motherboard now can I? (Unless NVIDIA gets smart and opens up SLI on all platforms).
On the flip side, NVIDIA has similar benefits with their "platform" too, with their power management and SLI platform. On top of that most NVIDIA chipsets also employ PEG-Link boosting for a bit of extra performance.
It's not rocket science folks, these have been "listed" platform features for quite a while.
taltamir
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SLI and crossfire? for a 30$ video card? the target audience uses mobos with ONE video slot...
And the other benefits ONLY exist if you buy an IGP + video card, not if you buy a regular (without video) chipset... Those have nothing to do with platforms, they are synergetic features of two different products from the same company designed to work together (SPECIFIC IGP and SPECIFIC video card). You still have spider with the 790FX mobo even though none of those features you listed will exist for it since it is not an IGP.
It does however offer you access to AMD's overclocking tools.
And the PEG boost is insignificant.
And the other benefits ONLY exist if you buy an IGP + video card, not if you buy a regular (without video) chipset... Those have nothing to do with platforms, they are synergetic features of two different products from the same company designed to work together (SPECIFIC IGP and SPECIFIC video card). You still have spider with the 790FX mobo even though none of those features you listed will exist for it since it is not an IGP.
It does however offer you access to AMD's overclocking tools.
And the PEG boost is insignificant.
SunnyD
Belgian Waffler
Time for a jab at keys...
It must be early, I forgive you. I run a NVIDIA video card on an AMD chipset currently. And I mistyped, I meant to say Hybrid Crossfire (though that isn't currently an option with the 790GX and 4670). I assume you're nitpicking.
In any event, the point is moot. The original question was answered, something which you of all people should have already known without having to ask.
You know, as messed up as it may sound, I would think that SLId 9600GSOs would utterly throttle anything in the sub $100 category for ~$60.
Zebo
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I think they may throttle anything sub $200 except other dual solutions.
Check this out in devil may cry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqEXNtNKCD8
Check this out in devil may cry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqEXNtNKCD8
SunnyD
Belgian Waffler
You are one of the most biased cynics on the video forum. It's almost humorous to the lengths you go.
You asked what platform features I was referring to, I answered. I missed your follow up, but in MY specific case (which Azn was referring to me directly with his comment), I have that specific IGP. It is still a platform feature regardless of whether I choose to utilize it or not.
As far as PEG boost being insignificant, that's your perception. "Free" performance usually isn't considered insignificant by most people around here.
taltamir
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i keep a running total of how often i am called an ATI fanboy, and how often an nvidia fanboy... can you clarify which one you are suggesting I am for my tally?
As for "free performance..." Yea... my car gives me "free performance" boost if I put in high octane gas... If you have to pay for it, even indirectly, than it is not free.
And when I said insignificant I meant I remember reviews showing the increase in performance was so low it was not noticeable.
Kind of like how the 1GB ram 4870 is insignificantly faster than the 512MB ram version. (except for 2560x1600 resolution with everything maxed...)
And just to be clear, you are saying you choose to buy mobo and video card from same maker even if they are not the ideal ones, because of platform benefits, and then admit that you are not getting those since your specific choices have no synergy... right?
This is what I was against, that vague" platform benefits" call for buying same company... instead of SPECIFICALLY saying "you should look into hybrid SLI/CF" or something specific, and likely to be beneficial, like that. Otherwise you are just confusing less educated people who would think their card will be magically better if you use a chipset from the same manufacturer.
As for "free performance..." Yea... my car gives me "free performance" boost if I put in high octane gas... If you have to pay for it, even indirectly, than it is not free.
And when I said insignificant I meant I remember reviews showing the increase in performance was so low it was not noticeable.
Kind of like how the 1GB ram 4870 is insignificantly faster than the 512MB ram version. (except for 2560x1600 resolution with everything maxed...)
And just to be clear, you are saying you choose to buy mobo and video card from same maker even if they are not the ideal ones, because of platform benefits, and then admit that you are not getting those since your specific choices have no synergy... right?
This is what I was against, that vague" platform benefits" call for buying same company... instead of SPECIFICALLY saying "you should look into hybrid SLI/CF" or something specific, and likely to be beneficial, like that. Otherwise you are just confusing less educated people who would think their card will be magically better if you use a chipset from the same manufacturer.
SunnyD
Belgian Waffler
This wouldn't be an issue if CrossFire and SLI weren't artificially locked into a specific platform or licensee. I think Intel actually ends up the big winner now with the X58 chipset coming, because it has the potential to use whatever you want to throw on it. But I digress.
In my case, I would indeed be using certain advantages that the platform can provide, however in this particularly instance, as said above - I can't argue with the performance the 9600GSO gives for the price I paid for it. If the 4670 was at a better price point, or I didn't need to be cost conscious, I would have bought it without hesitation over the 9600GSO.
As for your affiliation, I lump you into the "cynic" category. I haven't seen much you've ever contributed that actually would help less educated people make better informed decisions. Hell, even keys and Rollo occasionally have some decent information to pass along.
In my case, I would indeed be using certain advantages that the platform can provide, however in this particularly instance, as said above - I can't argue with the performance the 9600GSO gives for the price I paid for it. If the 4670 was at a better price point, or I didn't need to be cost conscious, I would have bought it without hesitation over the 9600GSO.
As for your affiliation, I lump you into the "cynic" category. I haven't seen much you've ever contributed that actually would help less educated people make better informed decisions. Hell, even keys and Rollo occasionally have some decent information to pass along.
SunnyD
Belgian Waffler
Originally posted by: Azn
Sounds like marketing gimmick to me.
So does PhysX, but people still want it.
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Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: Azn
Sounds like marketing gimmick to me.
So does PhysX, but people still want it.
Let's debunk all those features shall we.
Hybrid crossfire. Doesn't work with 4670.
Power play. overclocking? Nvidia has got that too.
Running multiple monitors (surround view). You can do that with Nvidia cards too and I doubt anyone could even work efficiently running 4 monitors. 2 monitors are plenty for most hard core PC programmers and graphic designers.
No one here mentioned PhysX. I could care less for it considering there aren't even a game out there even worth mentioning with this technology.
You accuse Talimir of being biased yet here you are with AMD mobo, cpu, and even want to pay more 2x much for a video card with nearly same performance.
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