9600 GSO: Dirty tricks!

[IlllI]

just passing it along Text

 

[nyker96]

already knew that, they down graded the card, slap on 512mb of ram. it's probably not as good as the original 9600gso but still should be alright.

 

[Denithor]

This is what should have been released originally under the name 9600GSO instead of rebadging the 8800GS. nVidia has been stupid with the naming arrangement for the last two generations.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Nvidia should really get out of the habit of naming different products identically.

 

[ronnn]

Both companies have been doing this type of stuff in this price range for years. Must work out for them, as they keep doing it. yawn

 

[IlllI]

Originally posted by: ronnn
Both companies have been doing this type of stuff in this price range for years. Must work out for them, as they keep doing it. yawn

really? which ati card was it where they released one, then came out with one slower and performed lesser than its original incarnation yet kept the same name?


this is the first i've ever heard of nvidia doing it as well

so can you list other nvidia cards which 'revise' them to be slower, yet named the same?

 

[Borealis7]

well not slower, but there were the 8800GTS 320/640 MB that were later made with newer chips (g92) and 512 MB.

so if i tell you i have a 8800GTS, which card do i have?
but if i tell you that i have a GTX 260 then...wait...no...that has 2 versions as well!

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: Borealis7
well not slower, but there were the 8800GTS 320/640 MB that were later made with newer chips (g92) and 512 MB.

so if i tell you i have a 8800GTS, which card do i have?
but if i tell you that i have a GTX 260 then...wait...no...that has 2 versions as well!

:laugh:

Yeah, Nvidia is starting to loose its head with all this funky naming scheme. This isn't a problem for us, the hardware geeks, but for the average Joe who just wants a card to game on, it might prove difficult.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: error8

Originally posted by: Borealis7
well not slower, but there were the 8800GTS 320/640 MB that were later made with newer chips (g92) and 512 MB.

so if i tell you i have a 8800GTS, which card do i have?
but if i tell you that i have a GTX 260 then...wait...no...that has 2 versions as well!

:laugh:

Yeah, Nvidia is starting to loose its head with all this funky naming scheme. This isn't a problem for us, the hardware geeks, but for the average Joe who just wants a card to game on, it might prove difficult.

Yea, I can see some kid doing his research and deciding on a card, saving his money, going to Best Buy and getting a different card with the same name.

Both companies rebadge last gen cards as current gen with a different name, but this is different then that. Nvidia should change the name even slightly, something to show it's different.

 

[ronnn]

I once bought a 9600xt advantage. The advantage being slower memory speeds.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: clandren

Originally posted by: ronnn
Both companies have been doing this type of stuff in this price range for years. Must work out for them, as they keep doing it. yawn

really? which ati card was it where they released one, then came out with one slower and performed lesser than its original incarnation yet kept the same name?


this is the first i've ever heard of nvidia doing it as well

so can you list other nvidia cards which 'revise' them to be slower, yet named the same?

This isn't exactly the same thing, but when ATi came out with the Radeon 9200, it was slower than the 9000pro. IIRC, the subsequent 9250 was slower than the 9200. So you could say ATi has a history of naming shenanigans, also.

When Nvidia began making available 6800-class GPUs with only 8 pipes enabled (rather than 12 or 16), I don't recall what, if any, product differentiation was involved.

And, of course, many of the "mgr's" (PowerColor, Leadtek, etc.) are guilty of saddling the GPUs with various grades of memory and not passing on that info to the consumer in a forthright fashion.

 

[betasub]

x1900GT? I recall AT doing an article warning about decrease in the GPU spec, but no change in the market name.

And both sides have been happy to bring out products with cheaper, slower memory: beware special editions - TNT2 with 64bit memory, or 2900pro with 256bit memory!

 

[edplayer]

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
This isn't exactly the same thing, but when ATi came out with the Radeon 9200, it was slower than the 9000pro. IIRC, the subsequent 9250 was slower than the 9200. So you could say ATi has a history of naming shenanigans, also.

How is that the "same name" or "naming different products identically"?

 

[betasub]

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
This isn't exactly the same thing, but when ATi came out with the Radeon 9200, it was slower than the 9000pro. IIRC, the subsequent 9250 was slower than the 9200. So you could say ATi has a history of naming shenanigans, also.

This naming shenanigans also involves the "renaming an old product with a new name" trick. IIRC those Radeon 92xx GPUs were actually old 8500 GPUs, and hence only DX8.1-capable. It seems "all is fair..." when both sides do it - cf. GF4MX and various GF9800.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: edplayer

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
This isn't exactly the same thing, but when ATi came out with the Radeon 9200, it was slower than the 9000pro. IIRC, the subsequent 9250 was slower than the 9200. So you could say ATi has a history of naming shenanigans, also.

How is that the "same name" or "naming different products identically"?

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Borealis7
but if i tell you that i have a GTX 260 then...wait...no...that has 2 versions as well!

The reason for that is to allow them to SLI together.

Originally posted by: ronnn
I once bought a 9600xt advantage. The advantage being slower memory speeds.

LOL!

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
And, of course, many of the "mgr's" (PowerColor, Leadtek, etc.) are guilty of saddling the GPUs with various grades of memory and not passing on that info to the consumer in a forthright fashion.

Of course, like Gigabyte's popular 3870 with GDDR3.

Originally posted by: betasub
x1900GT? I recall AT doing an article warning about decrease in the GPU spec, but no change in the market name.

Good catch!

Originally posted by: betasub

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
This isn't exactly the same thing, but when ATi came out with the Radeon 9200, it was slower than the 9000pro. IIRC, the subsequent 9250 was slower than the 9200. So you could say ATi has a history of naming shenanigans, also.

This naming shenanigans also involves the "renaming an old product with a new name" trick. IIRC those Radeon 92xx GPUs were actually old 8500 GPUs, and hence only DX8.1-capable. It seems "all is fair..." when both sides do it - cf. GF4MX and various GF9800.

I was thinking of this too. This is worse than NVIDIA's GF4MX because IIRC originally ATI had a numbering scheme that followed the DirectX version. For instance Radeon 7000 series were DirectX 7 and Radeon 8000 series were DirectX 8. So, Radeon 9000 series were DirectX 9 at first... until ATI released cards below the 9500 such as the 9000/9200/9250. There were a LOT of people confused about this.

 

[Denithor]

On the ATi side of the fence:

9800 SE
x1900gt rev 1 vs rev 2

From nVidia:

6800XT
8800GTS
9600GSO