911

[McGyver]

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As previously stated in multiple threads and also in FI, there is only one "tin foil" type thread to be allowed regarding this subject.

Find it and use it

This is not the one.

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And this is a conspiracy against conspiiracies.


in today's america, being american and all means you have to be patriotic, dumb, believe whatever your president says or for that matter, whatever fox news report. if the government want me to support their cause in the war against terror, all they have to do is to release all the tapes they confiscated an instant right after the pentagon sep 11th attack. make me mad, make me patriotic so that i can join the navy willingly and sign my life for my country. show me the skills of terrorists that were able to fly a boeing 757 JUMBOJET 6 feet off the ground, traveling at at least 350 mph across the uneven terrain before approaching the pentagon.

i'm not here to argue what DID or DIDN'T hit the pentagon. i don't want to see a trail of smoke as an insinuation for a boeing 757. the government have satellite pictures that were able to capture iraqi mobile bio-chemical lab but the government show us 2 ultra-low quality 1 fps surveillance videos (and i'm talking about pentagon, the heart of our military might and not some third world country like iraq.) come on! my point is, i'm completely dumbfounded by the mere fact that the government refuse to release all the videos that show the incoming flight 77.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I believe this is ya911t.

 

[Kadarin]

 

[jagec]

Yeah, I find it very hard to believe that people are able to maintain their lanes on the freeway too. I mean, that's a matter of a couple inches at 70MPH...clearly not feasible. And they do it for miles and miles, not the few hundred meters necessary to crash into a building. Well, clearly it's a government conspiracy, so...

I also find it very hard to believe that a satellite which is able to be positioned over an enemy territory actively hunting for something more-or-less stationary, and find it, would not have some sort of precognition which would allow it to guess that terrorists were going to strike in the US, and as such take a picture of that 350-mph plane. I mean, it's practically the same thing.

 

[DivideBYZero]

All of them.

None of them.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Which story/theory to believe?

Al Quaeda terorists from Saudi Arabia hijacked four planes and flew one of them into the Pentagon. Two other planes were flown into each world trade center building and a fourth plane was crashed into a field in Shanksville Pennsylvania when the passengers realized what was going on and tried to take back control of their flight.

Period.

 

[0roo0roo]

i just know dinosaurs are jesus horses. that is all.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

this may be the first 9/11 thread where I laugh.

lol @ OP.

 

[WildHorse]

Originally posted by: McGyver

Which story/theory to believe?

No tricky analysis required. This fact plainly stares us in the face, obvious for all the world to see.

Trouble is, some people vehemently insist you did not see what you actually did see.

Enough repetition and people don't believe their eyes anymore. Sort of like, if everybody else believes the propaganda is reality, then who are they to stand against the tide? Pretty soon lots of folks, internalize and adopt the propaganda - ?on board with everybody else,? ?popular,? ?with the trend,? ?follower of fashion.? And, the truth is so very fantastic, surreal. The controversy begins when the crafty official lie struggles against the plain truth in a battle for your mind.
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(a) United flight 93 Let's Roll!

Something was shot down into a field in Shanksville Pennsylvania.
It may have been United flight 93, or an impostor plane, or something else. In the latter 2 events, Flight 93 is whereabouts unknown.

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(b) Pentagon

Something crashed into the Pentagon.
What is unknown. It most probably was a missile or unmanned vehicle armed with a small explosive warhead.

It is plainly obvious that American Airlines Flight 77, a giant Boeing 757, did not crash into the Pentagon. But Cheney knows what crashed. Bush may not know.

Whereabouts of AA77 and its people are unknown.
Because westbound AA77 went off radar near the Ohio/Kentucky border, some speculate it was shot down there, or turned north & shot over Lake Michigan or Canada, or perhaps was an impostor plane. We just don't know. But Cheney knows. Bush may not know.
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( c) WTC towers 1,2,7

The 3 WTC towers fell from preplanned demolition. Explosions on many lower floors are (a) filmed, (b) seismically recorded at Columbia University, ( c) eye witnessed by numerous firemen, police, and office workers in nearby buildings. The 3 WTC towers did not collapse because airplanes hit the 2 taller towers.

?There was just an explosion [in the south tower]. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.?--Firefighter Richard Banaciski

?I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building??--Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory

?It was [like a] professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'."--Paramedic Daniel Rivera

The airplanes that hit the WTC may have been impostor planes. Several eyewitnesses including commercial airline and military pilots testified those were not commercial airliners. We don't know yet. Cheney knows.

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(d) Puts & shorting show foreknowledge

Unusual volume of short stock trades & put option sales before 911:

-? Between September 6 and 7, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put options on United Airlines, but only 396 call options? Assuming that 4,000 of the options were bought by people with advance knowledge of the imminent attacks, these ?insiders? would have profited by almost $5 million.

- On September 10, 4,516 put options on American Airlines were bought on the Chicago exchange, compared to only 748 calls. Again, there was no news at that point to justify this imbalance;? Again, assuming that 4,000 of these options trades represent ?insiders,? they would represent a gain of about $4 million.

- [The levels of put options purchased above were more than six times higher than normal.]

Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co., which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center, saw 2,157 of its October $45 put options bought in the three trading days before Black Tuesday; this compares to an average of 27 contracts per day before September 6.?
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(e) Villains

911 was not masterminded and commanded by a sweaty dirty guy squatting in some 3rd world stone-age cave.

The villains behind all this are not known to us.

Does know who: Vice President Dick Cheney.

Probably knows who: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld & State Dept.'s Condi Rice & advisor Karl Rove & Defense deputy Paul Wolfowitz .

May know who: Chief of staff Andrew Card & counsel Harriet Miers & CIA Director Porter Goss .

There's a spectrum of possible perpetrators...take your pick!

Speculations follow!!!:
Types like Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, other influencers. have bought into the "new world order" scenario of "elite" secret groups that are running an agenda to change America's posture among world governments, and 911 was part of that.

Some of these groups are: Builderburgers, Counsel on Foreign Relations, Council for National Policy, Trilateral Commission, Project for a New American Century, Bohemian Grove, others.

Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Jeb Bush in Florida, plus others, founded PNAC, which wrote literature openly stating their wish for a ?new Pearl Harbor? event to justify taking USA into war. They openly wrote about seeking to start several regional wars for the sole purpose of demonstrating USA's dominance over the world, to achieve Pax Americana.
The actual physical 911 events may have been (speculation!!) coordinated across several such groups and governments, perhaps carried out by Israeli Mossad, or CIA, or Defense Intelligence Agency, or other covert groups. Cheney and Rumsfeld were part of all that, but Prez Bush may have been mostly out of the loop. Or not.
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(f) Truth:

The official 911 commission report is a whitewash over lies of omission and of commission.

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(g) Conclusion:

What Whoozyerdaddy posts above is precisely NOT what happened.

 

[0roo0roo]

what no matrix theory?
its all lies. the machines are in control.

 

[aircooled]

Robots

 

[WildHorse]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

what no matrix theory?
its all lies. the machines are in control.

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Portman

Your remark fails at humor, and is hostile to my healthy exercise of independent thought, a responsibility of citizenship in the US republic.

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And Portman's an ugly midget shavedhead attention whore.

 

[murban135]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
this may be the first 9/11 thread where I laugh.

lol @ OP.

 

[Trader05]

i just know dinosaurs are jesus horses. that is all.

hahaha

 

[allisolm]

Your remark fails at humor, and is hostile to my healthy exercise of independent thought, a responsibility of citizenship in the US republic.

I'm all for independent thought. I just don't believe Scott's analysis qualifies.

 

[sadguy]

Originally posted by: McGyver
in today's america, being american and all means you have to be patriotic, dumb, believe whatever your president says or for that matter, whatever fox news report. if the government want me to support their cause in the war against terror, all they have to do is to release all the tapes they confiscated an instant right after the pentagon sep 11th attack. make me mad, make me patriotic so that i can join the navy willingly and sign my life for my country. show me the skills of terrorists that were able to fly a boeing 757 JUMBOJET 6 feet off the ground, traveling at at least 350 mph across the uneven terrain before approaching the pentagon.

i'm not here to argue what DID or DIDN'T hit the pentagon. i don't want to see a trail of smoke as an insinuation for a boeing 757. the government have satellite pictures that were able to capture iraqi mobile bio-chemical lab but the government show us 2 ultra-low quality 1 fps surveillance videos (and i'm talking about pentagon, the heart of our military might and not some third world country like iraq.) come on! my point is, i'm completely dumbfounded by the mere fact that the government refuse to release all the videos that show the incoming flight 77.

Something hit the Pentagon, and our Vice President was monitoring it and didn't warn Americans.

Norman Mineta

They don't want to release the real footage of the Pentagon, because the media will then have to focus on all the other glaring holes and incriminating evidence of an inside job on September 11th.

If you really want to get to the bottom of September 11th, watch these.

Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime

911 Eyewitness

Alex Jones warned about attacks shortly before September 11th. He's good.

 

[FoBoT]

no more conspiracy threads
stop

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
no more conspiracy threads
stop

Yes please. My sides are still hurting from laughing at the conspiracy theories in all the other threads. Laughing at this one is making it hurt only worse. :laugh:

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: Trader05

i just know dinosaurs are jesus horses. that is all.

hahaha

i remember that skit on SNL w/ Jimmy Fallon and Tina Fey (mmmmm...)....

I think Tina almost lost it after reading that story....funny stuff...

 

[BrokenVisage]

Until our government can find and release a picture of the plane from one of the 80+ sources they have, we can go off the following photos to try and ascertain what hit the Pentagon..

First, pictures of the aftermath before the outer ring collapsed:

Exhibit A

Exhibit B

Exhibit C

Here are the scale models of that building and plane next to each other:

Pentagon vs. Boeing 757

Now compare it to this photoshopped GIF of the plane going into the building, the size doesn't seem that far-fetched compared to the scale, but of course the speed of the plane was too fast to see it like this. (damn 2 FPS security cams!)

Other object scales that can be used at the scene:

Fire truck next to a 757

Plane put next to the fire truck at the scene

Now.. the body of a 757 is only 12 ft 4 in (3.7 m) wide and could theoretically fit through that hole, inconceivable as that may seem, but it doesn't explain where the wings and engines didn't hit.

Trajectory of 757 and the resulting crash perspective

According to this there should be significantly more damage to the building where the right wing/engine are. The left side I'm not so sure about because by the time it gets to the building there the plane could be thrown off course and such, even at its current speed.

Some measurements for you to consider

So what else could have hit the Pentagon?

Well, using the videos they released we can finally see a plane, which is good because I never really thought it was a missile in the first place. But let's see what best fits the plane we see, shall we?

Pentagon video from YouTube

The plane slightly blown up..

An Extreme Close-up!

Looks like a plane with 3 humps to it, any matches?

This Hawk Jet, perhaps?

After closer consideration the first hump may be mistaken for part of the scenery, if that's the case what else might match the plane?

Not another Hawk Jet!

I can't explain the smoke though, and I don't know if it's a common byproduct of either of these jets flying so low and fast to the ground, but I never seen white smoke coming from a 757.

So.. there you go people. No witness testimonies, no science, and no bomb theories. These pictures are for you to consider and make up your own damn mind with.

 

[McGyver]

Most of the replies I have seen (and had foreseen in my original post) are undoubtedly patriotic but sadly, dim-witted in nature. At their best effort, mockeries (at my expense) might have brought a few laughs. Humor however, fails to address the nature of the single event that took place on that faithful morning. Let me put it this way: Kenneth Starr could find the stained blouse without any problem; our government can definitely come up with the flight 77's black box. What is there to hide? Concealing itself is reason enough for anyone to question the motive of hiding all the video recordings. Unlike the government, I'm not making any innuendo of what actually took place at Pentagon on Sep 11th.

Before I go any further, I have to apologize first that I was taught to be a thinker. I'm sorry I was taught to love my country as well. If any of you can see pass your unquestionable blind-faith for the story that you were told to believe, you will realize that one thing has nothing to do with another. It's that simple. I never claimed that anything but a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon. In fact, I believe it so much, if put on a scale of 1 to 10, I totally dig the story that my government told me at 9.99. Hell, I was even willing to quit my job and sign up with the military. Yet, that remaining 0.01 stopped me. Many of you call that conspiracy theory, I call that reasonable doubt.

 

[murban135]

Originally posted by: McGyver
Most of the replies I have seen (and had foreseen in my original post) are undoubtedly patriotic but sadly, dim-witted in nature. At their best effort, mockeries (at my expense) might have brought a few laughs. Humor however, fails to address the nature of the single event that took place on that faithful morning. Let me put it this way: Kenneth Starr could find the stained blouse without any problem; our government can definitely come up with the flight 77's black box. What is there to hide? Concealing itself is reason enough for anyone to question the motive of hiding all the video recordings. Unlike the government, I'm not making any innuendo of what actually took place at Pentagon on Sep 11th.

Before I go any further, I have to apologize first that I was taught to be a thinker. I'm sorry I was taught to love my country as well. If any of you can see pass your unquestionable blind-faith for the story that you were told to believe, you will realize that one thing has nothing to do with another. It's that simple. I never claimed that anything but a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon. In fact, I believe it so much, if put on a scale of 1 to 10, I totally dig the story that my government told me at 9.99. Hell, I was even willing to quit my job and sign up with the military. Yet, that remaining 0.01 stopped me. Many of you call that conspiracy theory, I call that reasonable doubt.

Apology accepted. Your doubt is unreasonable.

 

[jjones]

I believe all of them - it's a good way to keep yourself amused.