911 or Tsunami

[JackBurton]

I find it ironic that after 120,000+ are dead from that event, the people that survived it go to church and pray. If that doesn't slap you in the face and wake you up I don't know what will. Either one, there is no God or two, he doesn't give a sh!t about anyone. Either way, why the fvck are you going to church after something like that? To give thanks that you are alive, and God killed the others?

Sorry, it just freakin' amazes me.

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Descartes
Oh, and I'm quite certain you'd feel differently if you lived in Sumatra.

Totally different situation. Of course one would feel more attached to a "local" disaster than one on the other side of the world.

That's precisely what I was saying. Here is an American suggesting that the "tsunami is nowhere near as gut-wrenching and traumatic as 911 was for Americans." I haven't the words...

This is simply a statement of fact, not an opinion. The US essentially shut down after 911 and most Americans were sobbing in front of their TV's everytime they replayed the footage of the collapsing towers. 911 devastated the entire country. I would like to think that most Americans are saddened by the tsunami disaster, but the traumatic effect is NOT as intense. It is like every other natural disaster that happens 1000's of miles away-- there is a detachment that prevents a great deal of mourning and empathy for the victims. Yes there is empathy, don't get me wrong, but it isn't as intense when it happens on the other side of the world and your only exposure to it is through the evening news.

My god. Is your tiny little view of the world ever narrow.

So, because it isn't happening to Americans it isn't really a disaster? You make me sick. :| :thumbsdown:

Maybe because it is true? Have your closest family member die in a plane crash versus some perons 9,000 miles away and tell me it is the same.

I remind you all that the world wept with us on 911, yet here, on an American forum we are trying to determine which was the greater tragedy.

I don't know Descartes, I'm starting to feel sickened myself. On the one hand it's normal, on the other, it's disturbing that it's normal.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
I find it ironic that after 120,000+ are dead from that event, the people that survived it go to church and pray. If that doesn't slap you in the face and wake you up I don't know what will. Either one, there is no God or two, he doesn't give a sh!t about anyone. Either way, why the fvck are you going to church after something like that? To give thanks that you are alive, and God killed the others?

Sorry, it just freakin' amazes me.

im out of words :disgust:

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
I find it ironic that after 120,000+ are dead from that event, the people that survived it go to church and pray. If that doesn't slap you in the face and wake you up I don't know what will. Either one, there is no God or two, he doesn't give a sh!t about anyone. Either way, why the fvck are you going to church after something like that? To give thanks that you are alive, and God killed the others?

Sorry, it just freakin' amazes me.

Wow, you are dense.

 

[Taggart]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Descartes
Oh, and I'm quite certain you'd feel differently if you lived in Sumatra.

Totally different situation. Of course one would feel more attached to a "local" disaster than one on the other side of the world.

That's precisely what I was saying. Here is an American suggesting that the "tsunami is nowhere near as gut-wrenching and traumatic as 911 was for Americans." I haven't the words...

This is simply a statement of fact, not an opinion. The US essentially shut down after 911 and most Americans were sobbing in front of their TV's everytime they replayed the footage of the collapsing towers. 911 devastated the entire country. I would like to think that most Americans are saddened by the tsunami disaster, but the traumatic effect is NOT as intense. It is like every other natural disaster that happens 1000's of miles away-- there is a detachment that prevents a great deal of mourning and empathy for the victims. Yes there is empathy, don't get me wrong, but it isn't as intense when it happens on the other side of the world and your only exposure to it is through the evening news.

My god. Is your tiny little view of the world ever narrow.

So, because it isn't happening to Americans it isn't really a disaster? You make me sick. :| :thumbsdown:

No, I didn't say that. I was not framing MY reaction to the disasters, but the one America as a whole seems to have. I am equally troubled by both, thanks. I have travelled extensively outside of the US so my perspective is better than most Americans (I hope).

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Maybe because it is true? Have your closest family member die in a plane crash versus some perons 9,000 miles away and tell me it is the same.

That wasn't the question though. The question wasn't which were we affected more by 9/11 or by the tsunami? The question was which is a bigger disaster? Plain and simple. The Tsunami is by far the bigger disaster.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: JackBurton
I find it ironic that after 120,000+ are dead from that event, the people that survived it go to church and pray. If that doesn't slap you in the face and wake you up I don't know what will. Either one, there is no God or two, he doesn't give a sh!t about anyone. Either way, why the fvck are you going to church after something like that? To give thanks that you are alive, and God killed the others?

Sorry, it just freakin' amazes me.

Wow, you are dense.

Yeah, maybe I'm dense because I can't understand it. Can you please explain it to me?

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Descartes
Oh, and I'm quite certain you'd feel differently if you lived in Sumatra.

Totally different situation. Of course one would feel more attached to a "local" disaster than one on the other side of the world.

That's precisely what I was saying. Here is an American suggesting that the "tsunami is nowhere near as gut-wrenching and traumatic as 911 was for Americans." I haven't the words...

This is simply a statement of fact, not an opinion. The US essentially shut down after 911 and most Americans were sobbing in front of their TV's everytime they replayed the footage of the collapsing towers. 911 devastated the entire country. I would like to think that most Americans are saddened by the tsunami disaster, but the traumatic effect is NOT as intense. It is like every other natural disaster that happens 1000's of miles away-- there is a detachment that prevents a great deal of mourning and empathy for the victims. Yes there is empathy, don't get me wrong, but it isn't as intense when it happens on the other side of the world and your only exposure to it is through the evening news.

My god. Is your tiny little view of the world ever narrow.

So, because it isn't happening to Americans it isn't really a disaster? You make me sick. :| :thumbsdown:

Maybe because it is true? Have your closest family member die in a plane crash versus some perons 9,000 miles away and tell me it is the same.

I remind you all that the world wept with us on 911, yet here, on an American forum we are trying to determine which was the greater tragedy.

I don't know Descartes, I'm starting to feel sickened myself. On the one hand it's normal, on the other, it's disturbing that it's normal.

I NEVER said that the tsunami was not a disaster of biblical nature, it is, but I don't think it affects the world as much as 9/11. This may be harsh, but millions of people die every day, but damaging the economy of the world is worse. People like you and I are no longer as important as money to the world.

 

[spidey07]

One was an attack.

The other was a natural disaster.

There is no bigger and there is no comparison. That's like saying "what was a bigger disaster, the holocaust or tsunami?"

9/11 was completely and totally different.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Maybe because it is true? Have your closest family member die in a plane crash versus some perons 9,000 miles away and tell me it is the same.

That wasn't the question though. The question wasn't which were we affected more by 9/11 or by the tsunami? The question was which is a bigger disaster? Plain and simple. The Tsunami is by far the bigger disaster.

In what way, though? It surely was not as big as of an economical diaster as 9/11, as it severely damaged the recovery we were headed to. However, the social and homan purtion of the tsunami greatly overshadows 9/11, but economy is most important to the world now.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
I NEVER said that the tsunami was not a disaster of biblical nature, it is, but I don't think it affects the world as much as 9/11. This may be harsh, but millions of people die every day, but damaging the economy of the world is worse. People like you and I are no longer as important as money to the world.

arent the economies of these countries affected?? in fact it will take years to rebuild them, just like it took America a few years to get back on track. and we still havent fully recovered

millions of people die every day? i dont think, but lets say your right. they die because they are old or elderly or get murdered. but not everyday people die of a mass disaster such as this one.

and people arent as important as money? its the actual people that make the money, stupid

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Descartes
Oh, and I'm quite certain you'd feel differently if you lived in Sumatra.

Totally different situation. Of course one would feel more attached to a "local" disaster than one on the other side of the world.

That's precisely what I was saying. Here is an American suggesting that the "tsunami is nowhere near as gut-wrenching and traumatic as 911 was for Americans." I haven't the words...

This is simply a statement of fact, not an opinion. The US essentially shut down after 911 and most Americans were sobbing in front of their TV's everytime they replayed the footage of the collapsing towers. 911 devastated the entire country. I would like to think that most Americans are saddened by the tsunami disaster, but the traumatic effect is NOT as intense. It is like every other natural disaster that happens 1000's of miles away-- there is a detachment that prevents a great deal of mourning and empathy for the victims. Yes there is empathy, don't get me wrong, but it isn't as intense when it happens on the other side of the world and your only exposure to it is through the evening news.

My god. Is your tiny little view of the world ever narrow.

So, because it isn't happening to Americans it isn't really a disaster? You make me sick. :| :thumbsdown:

No, I didn't say that. I was not framing MY reaction to the disasters, but the one America as a whole seems to have. I am equally troubled by both, thanks. I have travelled extensively outside of the US so my perspective is better than most Americans (I hope).

I would think that if you really had the world perspective you claim to have that you would recognize that 9/11 pales in comparison. I haven't travelled extensively outside of the US but I do have an interest in world events and I can plainly see that this event is probably the worst disaster in the history of mankind.

Edit-Thinking more about it there are probably plagues that might come close to this or surpass it. Not sure on that.

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Maybe because it is true? Have your closest family member die in a plane crash versus some perons 9,000 miles away and tell me it is the same.

That wasn't the question though. The question wasn't which were we affected more by 9/11 or by the tsunami? The question was which is a bigger disaster? Plain and simple. The Tsunami is by far the bigger disaster.

In what way, though? It surely was not as big as of an economical diaster as 9/11, as it severely damaged the recovery we were headed to. However, the social and homan purtion of the tsunami greatly overshadows 9/11, but economy is most important to the world now.

I think it's possible that this will effect the world economy a great deal...

 

[tranceport]

Originally posted by: jumpr
I am SO going to hell for this

googlefight rocks...

 

[ManSnake]

I agree.

 

[toant103]

i would have to say tsunami

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
I NEVER said that the tsunami was not a disaster of biblical nature, it is, but I don't think it affects the world as much as 9/11. This may be harsh, but millions of people die every day, but damaging the economy of the world is worse. People like you and I are no longer as important as money to the world.

arent the economies of these countries affected?? in fact it will take years to rebuild them, just like it took America a few years to get back on track. and we still havent fully recovered

millions of people die every day? i dont think, but lets say your right. they die because they are old or elderly or get murdered. but not everyday people die of a mass disaster such as this one.

and people arent as important as money? its the actual people that make the money, stupid

You are the stupid one if you think anyone matters anymore. Again, the wolrd is based on money now, whether that is right or wrong. If you want to blindly think this is not true is your own foolishness.

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Descartes
Oh, and I'm quite certain you'd feel differently if you lived in Sumatra.

Totally different situation. Of course one would feel more attached to a "local" disaster than one on the other side of the world.

That's precisely what I was saying. Here is an American suggesting that the "tsunami is nowhere near as gut-wrenching and traumatic as 911 was for Americans." I haven't the words...

This is simply a statement of fact, not an opinion. The US essentially shut down after 911 and most Americans were sobbing in front of their TV's everytime they replayed the footage of the collapsing towers. 911 devastated the entire country. I would like to think that most Americans are saddened by the tsunami disaster, but the traumatic effect is NOT as intense. It is like every other natural disaster that happens 1000's of miles away-- there is a detachment that prevents a great deal of mourning and empathy for the victims. Yes there is empathy, don't get me wrong, but it isn't as intense when it happens on the other side of the world and your only exposure to it is through the evening news.

Yes but I believe that your opinion is focused entirely more on what happened with the people in the U.S. and not around the world. More than one country was hurt by this disaster where the 9/11 only really effected the U.S.

 

[MillionaireNextDoor]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: JackBurton
I find it ironic that after 120,000+ are dead from that event, the people that survived it go to church and pray. If that doesn't slap you in the face and wake you up I don't know what will. Either one, there is no God or two, he doesn't give a sh!t about anyone. Either way, why the fvck are you going to church after something like that? To give thanks that you are alive, and God killed the others?

Sorry, it just freakin' amazes me.

Wow, you are dense.

Yeah, maybe I'm dense because I can't understand it. Can you please explain it to me.

You should read about "the problem of evil" in your philosophy class or in your library. It will answer the question: "If God is all-loving and all-powerful, how can there be Evil in this world?"

The problem of Evil

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
I NEVER said that the tsunami was not a disaster of biblical nature, it is, but I don't think it affects the world as much as 9/11. This may be harsh, but millions of people die every day, but damaging the economy of the world is worse. People like you and I are no longer as important as money to the world.

arent the economies of these countries affected?? in fact it will take years to rebuild them, just like it took America a few years to get back on track. and we still havent fully recovered

millions of people die every day? i dont think, but lets say your right. they die because they are old or elderly or get murdered. but not everyday people die of a mass disaster such as this one.

and people arent as important as money? its the actual people that make the money, stupid

You are the stupid one if you think anyone matters anymore. Again, the wolrd is based on money now, whether that is right or wrong. If you want to blindly think this is not true is your own foolishness.

doofus, without humans there is no money.

your post earlier about humans dont matter anymore only money does -- :thumbsdown:

 

[Taggart]

Originally posted by: cobalt

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Descartes
Oh, and I'm quite certain you'd feel differently if you lived in Sumatra.

Totally different situation. Of course one would feel more attached to a "local" disaster than one on the other side of the world.

That's precisely what I was saying. Here is an American suggesting that the "tsunami is nowhere near as gut-wrenching and traumatic as 911 was for Americans." I haven't the words...

This is simply a statement of fact, not an opinion. The US essentially shut down after 911 and most Americans were sobbing in front of their TV's everytime they replayed the footage of the collapsing towers. 911 devastated the entire country. I would like to think that most Americans are saddened by the tsunami disaster, but the traumatic effect is NOT as intense. It is like every other natural disaster that happens 1000's of miles away-- there is a detachment that prevents a great deal of mourning and empathy for the victims. Yes there is empathy, don't get me wrong, but it isn't as intense when it happens on the other side of the world and your only exposure to it is through the evening news.

Yes but I believe that your opinion is focused entirely more on what happened with the people in the U.S. and not around the world. More than one country was hurt by this disaster where the 9/11 only really effected the U.S.

Hmm, you're probably right.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: JackBurton
I find it ironic that after 120,000+ are dead from that event, the people that survived it go to church and pray. If that doesn't slap you in the face and wake you up I don't know what will. Either one, there is no God or two, he doesn't give a sh!t about anyone. Either way, why the fvck are you going to church after something like that? To give thanks that you are alive, and God killed the others?

Sorry, it just freakin' amazes me.

Wow, you are dense.

Yeah, maybe I'm dense because I can't understand it. Can you please explain it to me?

You either don't understand or, more likely, do not want to understand. I am pretty sure after a massively traumatic experience like that there are a lot of people who found God all of sudden.
If you don't want to believe in a religion, that is your choice, but that is no excuse to be insensitive and clueless about why others hold the beliefs that they do.
Ignorance must be bliss.

 

[dderidex]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma

1st World disasters are always bigger in scope because our society is very advanced. 9/11 changed not only how our country runs, but also how other nations run. This tsunami changes nothing. Hotels will still be built on coastlines, tourists will still sit on the beaches, people will still live by the coastlines, etc. Even today (Thursday), the Drudge Report had pictures of tourists tanning themselves on the very beach where many were killed. Life goes on.

That's a valid point.

Compare the effect on the WORLD.

What effect has the tsunami had on France and Germany? What effect has the tsunami had on Iraq or Afghanistan? What effect has the tsunami had on China and North Korea? What effect has the tsunami had on international commerce? etc.

It's a tragedy, to be sure, but a local one, nothing else.

9/11 polarized the US view of the world - relations with France and Germany soured as a result, although not as much as China and NK. Afghanistan was occupied by US troops, and Iraq might as well declare itself the next US state there is such a heavy US presence there (and we still maintain total control over the country). We tightened security an unbelievable degree, the US - and, thus, world - economy suffered, etc.

There is no disputing that the tsunami was a much more severe local tragedy - but that's all it was, a very, very severe local tragedy. 9/11 set the US off on a Holy Crusade (tm), and literally changed much of the world.

Seriously, and RE: the web page hits, do you REALLY think 4 years from now people will still be discussing the impact of the tsunami the way they are discussing the impact of 9/11? What long-term changes on the political or economic landscape of the world will occur as a result?

About the most compelling thing that has happened as a result of the tsunami (and the one with the longest-reaching consequences I can see) is that India has proven that she has "arrived" as a major power - turning down offered foreign aid, and actually offering aid herself to neighboring countries. That IS a big deal, but it remains to be seen what all will come of this.

 

[MillionaireNextDoor]

Originally posted by: tranceport

Originally posted by: jumpr
I am SO going to hell for this

googlefight rocks...

Google is not a good statistical tool because most of the users are in industrialized countries of the world, with America being a large part of it. If more rural people especially in the countries affected by the tsunami had access to Google, much less the Internet, the results would be the other way around.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: dderidex

Originally posted by: HalosPuma

1st World disasters are always bigger in scope because our society is very advanced. 9/11 changed not only how our country runs, but also how other nations run. This tsunami changes nothing. Hotels will still be built on coastlines, tourists will still sit on the beaches, people will still live by the coastlines, etc. Even today (Thursday), the Drudge Report had pictures of tourists tanning themselves on the very beach where many were killed. Life goes on.

That's a valid point.

Compare the effect on the WORLD.

What effect has the tsunami had on France and Germany? What effect has the tsunami had on Iraq or Afghanistan? What effect has the tsunami had on China and North Korea? What effect has the tsunami had on international commerce? etc.

It's a tragedy, to be sure, but a local one, nothing else.

9/11 polarized the US view of the world - relations with France and Germany soured as a result, although not as much as China and NK. Afghanistan was occupied by US troops, and Iraq might as well declare itself the next US state there is such a heavy US presence there (and we still maintain total control over the country). We tightened security an unbelievable degree, the US - and, thus, world - economy suffered, etc.

There is no disputing that the tsunami was a much more severe local tragedy - but that's all it was, a very, very severe local tragedy. 9/11 set the US off on a Holy Crusade (tm), and literally changed much of the world.

Seriously, and RE: the web page hits, do you REALLY think 4 years from now people will still be discussing the impact of the tsunami the way they are discussing the impact of 9/11? What long-term changes on the political or economic landscape of the world will occur as a result?

About the most compelling thing that has happened as a result of the tsunami (and the one with the longest-reaching consequences I can see) is that India has proven that she has "arrived" as a major power - turning down offered foreign aid, and actually offering aid herself to neighboring countries. That IS a big deal, but it remains to be seen what all will come of this.

great post :thumbsup: