900 cops used in gang bust

[aplefka]

One thing I never understood was why you would want to join a gang. I mean I guess I can kinda see it, it'd be cool to play cops and robbers, but not in real life where the cops are trying to get you. And yeah, I guess there's some money in it through the drugs and whatever else they do, but what a total waste of a life. Once you're in, you're in for good, which means that even if you ever outgrow the teenage mindset that you had when you joined, you're fvcked. I just don't get some people.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Armitage
Just my guess - I've never been involved in law enforcement. But it adds up quick.

My thoughts exactly. With 42 suspects, there could have been maybe double that in possible locations, lets say 90 locations where the suspects typically are at. So that leaves only 10 cops per location. If there were multiple suspects at one location, having fewer than 10 could have been quite dangerous.

So no, it probably wasn't much overkill. It was, however, a sign that they didn't track the suspects well enough that they only netted 19.

That'd be an interesting piece of software for mass raids like this. Dump in what you know about the suspects - what they're schedule looks like, etc. With enough data, you could start developing statistics. Then schedule the raid for when you have the highest probability of knowing where the most suspects will be. You could also roll in police manpower, various logistical issues, etc. Print out per-team tasking orders, complete with maps, buiding schematics, mugshots, etc.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Cops are dumb.

Let's see. Start a war with gangs? Good job. If they keep this up , there will be more than 2 dead cops.

so what are they supposed to do? let them break the law?


:roll:

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
*cops knock*
Who is it?
<Cops> Pizza delivery
Pizza? I didn't order any pizza *looks through the peephole and sees 900 cops*
Hey Leroy?
<Leroy> Yeah?
We're screwed.

Hahahah

 

[JulesMaximus]

Good, nice to see the police doing something about these scum. :thumbsup:

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Armitage
That'd be an interesting piece of software for mass raids like this. Dump in what you know about the suspects - what they're schedule looks like, etc. With enough data, you could start developing statistics. Then schedule the raid for when you have the highest probability of knowing where the most suspects will be. You could also roll in police manpower, various logistical issues, etc. Print out per-team tasking orders, complete with maps, buiding schematics, mugshots, etc.

We are thinking alike. Often, I think the police do this to match up with a certain magical date (first day of summer for example). I highly doubt there is much thought on how to get the optimum number of criminals other than "pounce during the week late at night". But what if the optimum day is 1 month away and another cop is killed in that time? Thus we also have to include the length of time known criminals are on the street in that list of yours.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Cops are dumb.

Let's see. Start a war with gangs? Good job. If they keep this up , there will be more than 2 dead cops.

The cops not only ARE at war with gangs, they SHOULD be. Their job is to STOP those who live as though the lives and belongings of others are to do with as they please. They should round up EVERY cop in Los Angeles County and make a massive gang sweep through the ENTIRE place. Prosecute the US citizens, deport the illegals and execute those who fight back.

Jason

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[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Armitage

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Armitage
Just my guess - I've never been involved in law enforcement. But it adds up quick.

My thoughts exactly. With 42 suspects, there could have been maybe double that in possible locations, lets say 90 locations where the suspects typically are at. So that leaves only 10 cops per location. If there were multiple suspects at one location, having fewer than 10 could have been quite dangerous.

So no, it probably wasn't much overkill. It was, however, a sign that they didn't track the suspects well enough that they only netted 19.

That'd be an interesting piece of software for mass raids like this. Dump in what you know about the suspects - what they're schedule looks like, etc. With enough data, you could start developing statistics. Then schedule the raid for when you have the highest probability of knowing where the most suspects will be. You could also roll in police manpower, various logistical issues, etc. Print out per-team tasking orders, complete with maps, buiding schematics, mugshots, etc.

This was a federal operation. It wasn't just some rural cops with shotguns busting down barn doors. I'd surmise that they went through and did everything you listed, but not using just one piece of software. They've also probably taken into account information and statistics we wouldn't even think about considering. A single program with all those capabilities would be extremely hard to design.

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: aplefka
One thing I never understood was why you would want to join a gang. I mean I guess I can kinda see it, it'd be cool to play cops and robbers, but not in real life where the cops are trying to get you. And yeah, I guess there's some money in it through the drugs and whatever else they do, but what a total waste of a life. Once you're in, you're in for good, which means that even if you ever outgrow the teenage mindset that you had when you joined, you're fvcked. I just don't get some people.

You're thinking about gang involvement through that eyes of a white individual who lives in a safe neighborhood and probably has a family. The inner city teens who join gangs mostly are fatherless. Inner city life is hard: People are getting shot, drug use/abuse is rampant, hookers on every street corner, etc... Believe it or not gangs offer love, respect and of course protection to the people that join them.

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: Armitage
They were after 42 suspects. I'm guessing they wanted to hit all of them simultaneously so the rest of the gang couldn't be alerted by the first few they hit. So they needed a seperate team to go after each guy - actually not each guy, but each suspected location. So at least 42 seperate teams. Since there might be several gang members at any of these locations, and they are known to be violent & cop killers, you aren't likely to send small teams. On top of that, you've got the behind-the-scenes folks organizing all of it.

Just my guess - I've never been involved in law enforcement. But it adds up quick.

Correct. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Cops are dumb.

Let's see. Start a war with gangs? Good job. If they keep this up , there will be more than 2 dead cops.

If we keep this up, the number of dead or arrested gang members will outnumber our casualties by an astounding margain.

 

[Mayfriday0529]

I have to agree that 900 is a little extreme.

100-200 is good enough, maybe they though they would be more gang members present.

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: Jnetty99
I have to agree that 900 is a little extreme.

100-200 is good enough, maybe they though they would be more gang members present.

Hey, look who didn't read the thread!

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Armitage

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Armitage
Just my guess - I've never been involved in law enforcement. But it adds up quick.

My thoughts exactly. With 42 suspects, there could have been maybe double that in possible locations, lets say 90 locations where the suspects typically are at. So that leaves only 10 cops per location. If there were multiple suspects at one location, having fewer than 10 could have been quite dangerous.

So no, it probably wasn't much overkill. It was, however, a sign that they didn't track the suspects well enough that they only netted 19.

That'd be an interesting piece of software for mass raids like this. Dump in what you know about the suspects - what they're schedule looks like, etc. With enough data, you could start developing statistics. Then schedule the raid for when you have the highest probability of knowing where the most suspects will be. You could also roll in police manpower, various logistical issues, etc. Print out per-team tasking orders, complete with maps, buiding schematics, mugshots, etc.

This was a federal operation. It wasn't just some rural cops with shotguns busting down barn doors. I'd surmise that they went through and did everything you listed, but not using just one piece of software. They've also probably taken into account information and statistics we wouldn't even think about considering. A single program with all those capabilities would be extremely hard to design.

Yep, I'm sure some tools along this line already exist - maybe the whole thing. At least I hope so. You'd have to have experience in the field to really know what's needed, what data is available etc. Although, there's something to be said for an outside perspective on occasion.

As for extremely hard to design - I've seen applications along the same line in other fields. It's not trivial, but it's certainly possible.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: Armitage
They were after 42 suspects. I'm guessing they wanted to hit all of them simultaneously so the rest of the gang couldn't be alerted by the first few they hit. So they needed a seperate team to go after each guy - actually not each guy, but each suspected location. So at least 42 seperate teams. Since there might be several gang members at any of these locations, and they are known to be violent & cop killers, you aren't likely to send small teams. On top of that, you've got the behind-the-scenes folks organizing all of it.

Just my guess - I've never been involved in law enforcement. But it adds up quick.

Correct. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Cops are dumb.

Let's see. Start a war with gangs? Good job. If they keep this up , there will be more than 2 dead cops.

If we keep this up, the number of dead or arrested gang members will outnumber our casualties by an astounding margain.

For once. Too bad this is going to be a one-time thing.

 

[suicidalpigeon]

they might as well called the coast gaurd.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Armitage
They were after 42 suspects. I'm guessing they wanted to hit all of them simultaneously so the rest of the gang couldn't be alerted by the first few they hit. So they needed a seperate team to go after each guy - actually not each guy, but each suspected location. So at least 42 seperate teams. Since there might be several gang members at any of these locations, and they are known to be violent & cop killers, you aren't likely to send small teams. On top of that, you've got the behind-the-scenes folks organizing all of it.

Just my guess - I've never been involved in law enforcement. But it adds up quick.

The original poster made it sound like all 900 were in one place. :roll:

I wonder if this will really slow gang activity there... those gangbangers are like cockroaches.. getting rid of the them is not so easy.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
*cops knock*
Who is it?
<Cops> Pizza delivery
Pizza? I didn't order any pizza *looks through the peephole and sees 900 cops*
Hey Leroy?
<Leroy> Yeah?
We're screwed.
<Leroy> LEEEEEEEEEEEEEROYYYYYYYYYY JEEEEEEEEEEEENKINS!!!! *busts out of the house in a blaze of glory*

fixed

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly

Originally posted by: eigen
To bad they don't muster such resources when its two innocent (black) citizens that are killed.

no point bringing in the race card. The people killled were Officers.

umm......
NO thats a good point. Blacks dont get near the same treatment from cops, at least in cali.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly

Originally posted by: eigen
To bad they don't muster such resources when its two innocent (black) citizens that are killed.

no point bringing in the race card. The people killled were Officers.

umm......
NO thats a good point. Blacks dont get near the same treatment from cops, at least in cali.

No, it's not a good point whatsoever and has nothing to do with this.

If it was 2 white civilians killed, I could see someone playing the race card. But the fact of the matter is it was two police officers.

I'd imagine for quite a few officers, it stops being "just a job" and turns into a personal crusade against these cop-killers.

 

[Rudee]

Meanwhile, crimes in other areas in the State increased by a whopping 300%.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Cops are dumb.

Let's see. Start a war with gangs? Good job. If they keep this up , there will be more than 2 dead cops.

As opposed to signaling they're afraid of gangs? Your logic != good.

This was 20 years ago. Send an aggressive message to people that can not think clearly and act on emotion. Yup, I know what I said.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Cops are dumb.

Let's see. Start a war with gangs? Good job. If they keep this up , there will be more than 2 dead cops.

As opposed to signaling they're afraid of gangs? Your logic != good.

This was 20 years ago. Send an aggressive message to people that can not think clearly and act on emotion. Yup, I know what I said.

Matthew Pavelka was killed in the line of duty not even two years ago, so it's not about 20 years ago. And I'd rather have them take on the gangs than have more innocent people suffer because of gang activity.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Cops are dumb.

Let's see. Start a war with gangs? Good job. If they keep this up , there will be more than 2 dead cops.

The cops not only ARE at war with gangs, they SHOULD be. Their job is to STOP those who live as though the lives and belongings of others are to do with as they please. They should round up EVERY cop in Los Angeles County and make a massive gang sweep through the ENTIRE place. Prosecute the US citizens, deport the illegals and execute those who fight back.

Jason

Your ideas intrigue me. I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. (No, really, I do.)

What can I say, I don't think DECENT people should have to live in FEAR of scumbags like gang bangers. We pay a LOT of money in taxes so that our governments/military/police can afford to keep these sleezeballs out of our daily lives, and it's about time they freaking DO it

Jason

 

[EKKC]

arent cops just another gang with badges and (legally carrying) guns?

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: EKKC
arent cops just another gang with badges and (legally carrying) guns?

Yup, and elected officials are all mafia dons. We only pull certain people over because citations are actually our "monthly collections." It's a huge conspiracy, man. It's like, man, it's like WE...you know, we're like...the man, but then it's like...we're just tools of the man, you know, dude? It's all like...whoa, man...deep.