9 Baptist Churches Burned in 4 Days

[Looney]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: smack Down
I wonder how many black churches the good southern church folks have burned.

Fom the original poster's link.

The nine churches that burned included both white and black congregations.

Ah that is irrelevant to someone who will break out the card in a topic such as this.

Your right it is irrelevant, the op implied that it was anti-christians fires when christians could very easly have started the fires and have before.

You are a tool, the OP implied nothing save the fact bigotry applies to all religions.

Yes he did, with the parts i bolded. He implied that we give Christians flack for pushing their views on others... but here is a case where non-Christians are pushing their views on Christians by burning their churches.

Well, if you need to put that much spin into something to get a point across, all the more power to you.

What spin? He said it... what else do you think "I thought I would demonstrate where that door swings both ways" means?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I haven't seen anyone post about this story yet... Nine Baptist Churches have been burned in Alabama in the last four days, making nineteen arson fires in the last five years.

Link

For the amount of crap Christians catch on this forum for pushing their views, I thought I would demonstrate where that door swings both ways. I have no particular love for Baptists, nor do I hate them. I respect their right to believe as they see fit, even if I don't agree with their perspective on religion/spirituality. Can we all agree that bigotry in all forms is wrong?

It's definitely wrong. No doubt about it.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: smack Down
I wonder how many black churches the good southern church folks have burned.

See, here we go, you can't just keep your mouth shut. Black people ARE southern folk too... you're acting like a moron

Where did he say southern folk excludes black people?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: smack Down
I wonder how many black churches the good southern church folks have burned.

Good try, but these are mixed race or either. This is not a racial issue, but some of you jerks would try to make it so, wouldn't you?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Looney
Yes he did, with the parts i bolded. He implied that we give Christians flack for pushing their views on others... but here is a case where non-Christians are pushing their views on Christians by burning their churches.

Did I say that? No. I only implied that people hate Christians just as much as people here think Christians hate them. Indeed, I wouldn't be too surprised if it were a member of simply another Christian sect. The point is simply that bigotry is wrong, regardless of who wields it.

Originally posted by: Meuge
It's the liberal educated elite. F-ing liberal professors... first they oppose early childhood indoctrination, now they're burning churches! Burn them!

/sarcasm

Your cave awaits you.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Looney
Yes he did, with the parts i bolded. He implied that we give Christians flack for pushing their views on others... but here is a case where non-Christians are pushing their views on Christians by burning their churches.

Did I say that? No. I only implied that people hate Christians just as much as people here think Christians hate them. Indeed, I wouldn't be too surprised if it were a member of simply another Christian sect. The point is simply that bigotry is wrong, regardless of who wields it.

Originally posted by: Meuge
It's the liberal educated elite. F-ing liberal professors... first they oppose early childhood indoctrination, now they're burning churches! Burn them!

/sarcasm

Your cave awaits you.

Im suprised everyone had to spin it to mean something when it was clear what you were saying, I mean...I don't agree with you often, but this was pretty black and white here.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Looney
Yes he did, with the parts i bolded. He implied that we give Christians flack for pushing their views on others... but here is a case where non-Christians are pushing their views on Christians by burning their churches.

Did I say that? No. I only implied that people hate Christians just as much as people here think Christians hate them. Indeed, I wouldn't be too surprised if it were a member of simply another Christian sect. The point is simply that bigotry is wrong, regardless of who wields it.

Originally posted by: Meuge
It's the liberal educated elite. F-ing liberal professors... first they oppose early childhood indoctrination, now they're burning churches! Burn them!

/sarcasm

Your cave awaits you.

Im suprised everyone had to spin it to mean something when it was clear what you were saying, I mean...I don't agree with you often, but this was pretty black and white here.

I didn't try to spin anything. I asked what he meant by it, it wasn't a facetious comment. If the OP meant it differently, then i'll accept his word for it.

 

[flavio]

this week?s fires were set at four white churches and one with a black congregation.

It is kinda weird that they have separate baptist churches for blacks and whites.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: smack Down
I wonder how many black churches the good southern church folks have burned.

See, here we go, you can't just keep your mouth shut. Black people ARE southern folk too... you're acting like a moron

Acting like?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Tab

any forum members live in Alabama could give us more insight?

Also I'd like to know why only Alabama???

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: flavio

this week?s fires were set at four white churches and one with a black congregation.

It is kinda weird that they have separate baptist churches for blacks and whites.

It's not that uncommon, and I imagine in Alabama, and Mississippi it's very common. At least in Iowa where I grew up there was a First Baptist Church, and a Second Baptist Church. The first was perdominantly white, but would have allowed anyone, and the other was perdominantly black, but would have allowed anyone.

 

[jlmadyson]

Two arrested in Alabama church fires

Suspects, said to be students, to appear in court soon; search for 3rd person

WASHINGTON - Federal law enforcement officials believe they have scored a big break with the arrests of two people believed responsible for the string of church fires in Alabama, NBC?s Pete Williams reported Wednesday.

Officials have not yet said who they are, but authorities believe they have solved the case, Williams added. The two, described as being in their 20s, were arrested Tuesday night.

WVTM-TV of Birmingham, citing the state fire marshall?s office, said the two are students at Birmingham Southern College and were arrested at a college dorm.

The two suspects will appear in court in Birmingham later Wednesday morning.

Police are also searching for a third person, reportedly a student at the University of Alabama in Birmingham.

Ten Baptist churches in rural parts of the state were burned by arsonists last month. Nine of the fires ? five on Feb. 3 in Bibb County and four on Feb. 7 in west Alabama ? have been linked. Another church fire on Feb. 11 in Lamar County has been ruled arson, but investigators have not determined if it is connected to the others.

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives made the Alabama church arson case a top priority as scores of agents joined state and local law officers in the probe. The FBI had said earlier it was looking for two men, based partly on witness accounts.

The ATF has scheduled a mid-day press conference to discuss the case.

Investigators have said they don?t know a motive; however, there is no racial pattern ? five of the churches had white congregations and five black. All were Baptist, the dominant faith in the region, and mostly in isolated country settings.

Five of the churches were destroyed and four were damaged, including one in which congregants, alerted during the night that churches were afire, arrived just as the apparent arsonists were leaving. That fire, quickly put out, had been set in the sanctuary near the altar ? a pattern in the other church arsons in Bibb County and west Alabama.

:thumbsup:

 

[Fern]

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - Two college students arrested Wednesday in a string of nine rural Alabama church arsons told authorities that the first fires were set as ?a joke? and later blazes were intended as a diversion, federal agents said.

A third college student was arrested later Wednesday in the serial arsons, according to WVTM-TV of Birmingham.

An ATF affidavit said Moseley told agents on Wednesday that he, Cloyd and Debusk went to Bibb County in Cloyd?s Toyota sport utility vehicle on Feb. 2 and set fire to five churches. A witness quoted Cloyd as saying Moseley did it ?as a joke and it got out of hand,? according to the affidavit.

Moseley also told agents the four church fires in west Alabama were set ?as a diversion to throw investigators off,? an attempt that ?obviously did not work,? the affidavit said.

A "joke", then 4 more to "cover" the first 5?

Is there a death penalty for stupidity?

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: Fern

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - Two college students arrested Wednesday in a string of nine rural Alabama church arsons told authorities that the first fires were set as ?a joke? and later blazes were intended as a diversion, federal agents said.

A third college student was arrested later Wednesday in the serial arsons, according to WVTM-TV of Birmingham.

An ATF affidavit said Moseley told agents on Wednesday that he, Cloyd and Debusk went to Bibb County in Cloyd?s Toyota sport utility vehicle on Feb. 2 and set fire to five churches. A witness quoted Cloyd as saying Moseley did it ?as a joke and it got out of hand,? according to the affidavit.

Moseley also told agents the four church fires in west Alabama were set ?as a diversion to throw investigators off,? an attempt that ?obviously did not work,? the affidavit said.

A "joke", then 4 more to "cover" the first 5?

Is there a death penalty for stupidity?

Nope. But, what those three will recieve is much much worse than a death penalty.

 

[PELarson]

***burp***

pardon

 

[lyssword]

I don't get how is arseny a joke? .... dumbasses.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: lyssword
I don't get how is arseny a joke? .... dumbasses.

Arson is just as funny as pmita prison. Which is exactly where these "funny guys" are going.

I doubt they'll be laughing that much, though. 😉

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: lyssword
I don't get how is arseny a joke? .... dumbasses.

Arson is just as funny as pmita prison. Which is exactly where these "funny guys" are going.

I doubt they'll be laughing that much, though. 😉

I'm sure their new cellblock boyfriends will keep them in stitches. 😉

 

[Aimster]

They like WWE or WWF

(puts on flamesuit)

Hi.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I haven't seen anyone post about this story yet... Nine Baptist Churches have been burned in Alabama in the last four days, making nineteen arson fires in the last five years.

Link

For the amount of crap Christians catch on this forum for pushing their views, I thought I would demonstrate where that door swings both ways. I have no particular love for Baptists, nor do I hate them. I respect their right to believe as they see fit, even if I don't agree with their perspective on religion/spirituality. Can we all agree that bigotry in all forms is wrong?

What bigotry?

According to the press conference today, the arrests of college kids behind these acts shows that these kids were just thrillseekers and not on some religious or bigoted binge.

 

[lyssword]

but if they really were bigots, would they admit it? I don't think if they admitted that they just simply hate churches would be easier on them. It may seem like simple thrill-seeking, but then the question is why burn only the churches?

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I haven't seen anyone post about this story yet... Nine Baptist Churches have been burned in Alabama in the last four days, making nineteen arson fires in the last five years.

Link

For the amount of crap Christians catch on this forum for pushing their views, I thought I would demonstrate where that door swings both ways. I have no particular love for Baptists, nor do I hate them. I respect their right to believe as they see fit, even if I don't agree with their perspective on religion/spirituality. Can we all agree that bigotry in all forms is wrong?

What bigotry?

According to the press conference today, the arrests of college kids behind these acts shows that these kids were just thrillseekers and not on some religious or bigoted binge.

I tend not to trust a bunch of punks who set ablaze to what 9 or 10 churches. Yes, alternative motives could still be brought to the surface once the investigation and or trial comes to an end. How about burning schools, government buildings, barns, no Baptist churches was the pick of choice, I tend believe there is a reason behind that besides "jokes".

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I haven't seen anyone post about this story yet... Nine Baptist Churches have been burned in Alabama in the last four days, making nineteen arson fires in the last five years.

Link

For the amount of crap Christians catch on this forum for pushing their views, I thought I would demonstrate where that door swings both ways. I have no particular love for Baptists, nor do I hate them. I respect their right to believe as they see fit, even if I don't agree with their perspective on religion/spirituality. Can we all agree that bigotry in all forms is wrong?

What bigotry?

According to the press conference today, the arrests of college kids behind these acts shows that these kids were just thrillseekers and not on some religious or bigoted binge.

You are smarter than this.. right?

Even if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice

^^ they chose CHURCHES - "Baptist" Churches for a reason...

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I haven't seen anyone post about this story yet... Nine Baptist Churches have been burned in Alabama in the last four days, making nineteen arson fires in the last five years.

Link

For the amount of crap Christians catch on this forum for pushing their views, I thought I would demonstrate where that door swings both ways. I have no particular love for Baptists, nor do I hate them. I respect their right to believe as they see fit, even if I don't agree with their perspective on religion/spirituality. Can we all agree that bigotry in all forms is wrong?

What bigotry?

According to the press conference today, the arrests of college kids behind these acts shows that these kids were just thrillseekers and not on some religious or bigoted binge.

I tend not to trust a bunch of punks who set ablaze to what 9 or 10 churches. Yes, alternative motives could still be brought to the surface once the investigation and or trial comes to an end. How about burning schools, government buildings, barns, no Baptist churches was the pick of choice, I tend believe there is a reason behind that besides "jokes".

One of the kids was the son of a local constable (or was it a sheriff?)...not that that has to do with anything.

Hard to say the motive wasn't just thrillseeking. Perhaps just some ignorant selection of churches. And all Baptist churches? Umm...we're talking about the deep south here. Baptist churches are everywhere.

Maybe they were tired of having to go to church and burned them down.

We don't know.

And we won't know until more evidence comes forward or until the trial.



I was originally commenting on Cyclo's knee-jerk reaction.


Remember the media right after the OKC bombing? It was all about Arabs/Muslims.

 

[1prophet]

From article:

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - Three college students, including two aspiring actors known around campus as pranksters, were arrested Wednesday in a string of nine church fires across Alabama. Federal agents said the defendants claimed the first few fires were set as ?a joke? and the others were started to throw investigators off the track.

Maybe it was some sort of college project to see if God exists will he protect his faithful, since many of the highly educated seem to think Christianity is nothing more than a joke.