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Ldir

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Originally posted by: EXman
We should remember how Dubya helped his buddy radical Saudi asswipes flee the country on 9-12.
what are you talking about? I don't remember him letting them borrow the Texas rangers Plane. Also if you were a Saudi and Saudi Extremist did this wouldn't you fear reprisals. Send all them F'ers home anyways. That is what a good portion of what Americans felt anyhow. Like that Place in NewJersey where people were dancing in their neighborhood after the planes hit the towers.


What a stupid response. Texas Rangers plane? Moron. Great plan to send all them F'ers home when some may have had knowledge of 9-11.

We should remember he chased them all the way to Bagdad. We should remember Dubya censored 30 pages about Saudi Arabia in the 9-11 report.
And that means what? We are already cutting ties with them. And do you know why we blanked them out? No. And niether do I. Maybe because it was sensitive material that wasn't legal to even release. Maybe it was just so we Wouldn't pay $5 a gallon of gas at the pump. So you want to Pay $5 a gallon and go to war with Saudi? Don't be niave the public cannot know everything we already have a hard enough time with intellegence w/o divulging all our information. :p

So you think Saudi Arabia was behind 9-11 but we could not afford war with them. So we attack Iraq instead. That is just too screwed up. Let me guess. When your big brother hurts you, you respond by kicking the dog.


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Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: EXman

Don't be niave the public cannot know everything we already have a hard enough time with intellegence w/o divulging all our information. :p
Yeah just ask Karl Rove;)

 

TheGameIs21

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Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: EXman
You gotta be a retard to think a president would not use his defining moment in an ad. Not to mention I think it memorailizes and shows that we have not forgot those who were Murdered by radical Saudi asswipes.

Wake up and smell what your shoveling.
That is a good point. We should remember how Dubya helped his buddy radical Saudi asswipes flee the country on 9-12. We should remember he chased them all the way to Bagdad. We should remember Dubya censored 30 pages about Saudi Arabia in the 9-11 report. Bring it on.

Since when do you have the clearance and need to know to view classified documents? Yours is the weakest argument yet.

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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980.
And yet another insightful reply by ldir.

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: EXman
We should remember how Dubya helped his buddy radical Saudi asswipes flee the country on 9-12.
what are you talking about? I don't remember him letting them borrow the Texas rangers Plane. Also if you were a Saudi and Saudi Extremist did this wouldn't you fear reprisals. Send all them F'ers home anyways. That is what a good portion of what Americans felt anyhow. Like that Place in NewJersey where people were dancing in their neighborhood after the planes hit the towers.


What a stupid response. Texas Rangers plane? Moron. Great plan to send all them F'ers home when some may have had knowledge of 9-11.

We should remember he chased them all the way to Bagdad. We should remember Dubya censored 30 pages about Saudi Arabia in the 9-11 report.
And that means what? We are already cutting ties with them. And do you know why we blanked them out? No. And niether do I. Maybe because it was sensitive material that wasn't legal to even release. Maybe it was just so we Wouldn't pay $5 a gallon of gas at the pump. So you want to Pay $5 a gallon and go to war with Saudi? Don't be niave the public cannot know everything we already have a hard enough time with intellegence w/o divulging all our information. :p

So you think Saudi Arabia was behind 9-11 but we could not afford war with them. So we attack Iraq instead. That is just too screwed up. Let me guess. When your big brother hurts you, you respond by kicking the dog.


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980.

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TheGameIs21- Here is another insightful reply by Ldir.

I sense the tinfoil is strong in this one...

CkG
 

DealMonkey

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I'm curious about something: If the dems run a nationwide TV ad with clips of U.S. soldiers coming home in body bags, would the Bush apologists have a problem with that?
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I'm curious about something: If the dems run a nationwide TV ad with clips of U.S. soldiers coming home in body bags, would the Bush apologists have a problem with that?

I'm sure it'd get the same reaction we are getting from the left if it was blatant, now that it's become "the" issue. Notice kerry has been using Vietnam for months now without widespread outrage. I just think that the left is making too big of deal about this only for political spite and want once again to have things both ways.

CkG
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I'm curious about something: If the dems run a nationwide TV ad with clips of U.S. soldiers coming home in body bags, would the Bush apologists have a problem with that?

I'm sure it'd get the same reaction we are getting from the left if it was blatant, now that it's become "the" issue. Notice kerry has been using Vietnam for months now without widespread outrage. I just think that the left is making too big of deal about this only for political spite and want once again to have things both ways.

CkG

Well, you certainly have to take into consideration how fresh these two wars are in people's minds. As I pointed out earlier, Vietnam has over 30+ years to gel and temper emotionally in our nation's psyche, whereas 9.11 and the War on Terror is much, much more recent. The phrase "reopening fresh wounds" comes to mind . . . I wonder though, if the dems ran an ad with a 1-second clip of body bags coming in from Iraq and the Republicans had the reaction you claim they would, why are you guys dismissing the current reaction over Bush's ads? As I've said a few times, I can see how some people might be offended by it.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I'm curious about something: If the dems run a nationwide TV ad with clips of U.S. soldiers coming home in body bags, would the Bush apologists have a problem with that?

I'm sure it'd get the same reaction we are getting from the left if it was blatant, now that it's become "the" issue. Notice kerry has been using Vietnam for months now without widespread outrage. I just think that the left is making too big of deal about this only for political spite and want once again to have things both ways.

CkG

Well, you certainly have to take into consideration how fresh these two wars are in people's minds. As I pointed out earlier, Vietnam has over 30+ years to gel and temper emotionally in our nation's psyche, whereas 9.11 and the War on Terror is much, much more recent. The phrase "reopening fresh wounds" comes to mind . . . I wonder though, if the dems ran an ad with a 1-second clip of body bags coming in from Iraq and the Republicans had the reaction you claim they would, why are you guys dismissing the current reaction over Bush's ads? As I've said a few times, I can see how some people might be offended by it.

I've already stated that I don't have a problem with either one. But, my point still remains - if one side whines about the usage they are being hypocrits unless they condemn both sides.;)

Neither have been "tasteless" ....yet so like I said - I think the left is overblowing this.

CkG
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: TheGameIs21
Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: EXman
You gotta be a retard to think a president would not use his defining moment in an ad. Not to mention I think it memorailizes and shows that we have not forgot those who were Murdered by radical Saudi asswipes.

Wake up and smell what your shoveling.
That is a good point. We should remember how Dubya helped his buddy radical Saudi asswipes flee the country on 9-12. We should remember he chased them all the way to Bagdad. We should remember Dubya censored 30 pages about Saudi Arabia in the 9-11 report. Bring it on.

Since when do you have the clearance and need to know to view classified documents? Yours is the weakest argument yet.

rolleye.gif


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980.
And yet another insightful reply by ldir.

You are right. I was trying to be polite. I should have said you are an idiot and your reply was stupid even for you. I should have said you are a bleating Bush apologist who dumbly supports everything Dubya does. BAA. BAA. BAA.


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XMan

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Compared to what FDR did, Bush's ads aren't much to talk about.

Would FDR Run Those 9/11 Ads?

By David S. Broder
Thursday, March 11, 2004; Page A27


It's no mystery why President Bush and his campaign aides have fought so hard to establish the legitimacy of their TV ads that include scenes from the Sept. 11 attack on the World Trade Center.

When the commercials came under criticism from survivors of some of those killed by the terrorists and also from some members of the firefighters union, Republicans rushed to insist that the visual references were well justified by the significance of that day for the country -- and for the Bush presidency.

The importance of their defending that proposition was amply demonstrated by the Washington Post-ABC News poll released earlier this week. Amid almost a dozen topics on which Bush had anemic and mostly negative ratings, one strong positive approval score stood out. By a margin of 63 percent to 34 percent, those surveyed applaud his handling of the campaign against terrorism.

Much of that approval goes back to the stalwart performance from the president in the first 10 days after the terrorists struck New York and Washington. When the country really needed a president, he was there, his words and his actions serving as the rallying point for a shaken nation. It is no wonder he wants to recall the emotions of the time; it was, in Churchill's phrase, his "finest hour."

But is it, as supporters of John Kerry and other critics suggest, wrong for Republicans to convert the emotions of that national tragedy into grist for a political campaign?

To answer that question, I went back, with help from Washington Post researcher Brian Faler, to 1944, when Franklin D. Roosevelt, almost three years after Pearl Harbor, was running for reelection. What you learn from such an exercise is that Bush is a piker compared with FDR when it comes to wrapping himself in the mantle of commander in chief.

Item: FDR did not go to the Democratic convention in Chicago where he was nominated for a fourth term. A few days before it opened, he sent a letter to the chairman of the Democratic Party explaining his availability for the nomination. And what an explanation!

"All that is within me cries out to go back to my home on the Hudson River, to avoid public responsibilities and to avoid also the publicity which in our democracy follows every step of the nation's chief executive."

But, he wrote, "every one of our sons serving in this war has officers from whom he takes his orders. Such officers have superior officers. The President is the Commander in Chief, and he, too, has his superior officer -- the people of the United States. . . . If the people command me to continue in this office and in this war, I have as little right to withdraw as the soldier has to leave his post in the line."

Item: Roosevelt delivered his acceptance speech to the convention by radio from where? From the San Diego Naval Station, because, he said, "The war waits for no elections. Decisions must be made, plans must be laid, strategy must be carried out."

Item: If FDR's politicizing of his wartime role seems blatant, what does one say of the main speakers at the convention? Keynoter Robert Kerr, then governor of Oklahoma, declared that "the Republican Party . . . had no program, in the dangerous years preceding Pearl Harbor, to prevent war or to meet it if it came. Most of the Republican members of the national Congress fought every constructive move designed to prepare our country in case of war."

So much for bipartisanship!

Item: Kerr was restraint personified compared with the convention's permanent chairman, Sen. Samuel Jackson of Indiana. As he contemplated the possibility of a Republican victory, he was moved to ask: "How many battleships would a Democratic defeat be worth to Tojo? How many Nazi legions would it be worth to Hitler? . . . We must not allow the American ballot box to be made Hitler's secret weapon."

If you accept President Bush's premise that this nation is at war with terrorism, then you have to applaud the restraint his campaign has shown so far in exploiting the attack that began that war.

Far better than criticizing his ads, ask why Bush is not calling on comfortable Americans to make any sacrifices for the war effort and why he refuses to raise the revenue to pay for what he calls a life-and-death struggle.

Those are the legitimate issues.

davidbroder@washpost.com
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: EXman
We should remember how Dubya helped his buddy radical Saudi asswipes flee the country on 9-12.
what are you talking about? I don't remember him letting them borrow the Texas rangers Plane. Also if you were a Saudi and Saudi Extremist did this wouldn't you fear reprisals. Send all them F'ers home anyways. That is what a good portion of what Americans felt anyhow. Like that Place in NewJersey where people were dancing in their neighborhood after the planes hit the towers.


What a stupid response. Texas Rangers plane? Moron. Great plan to send all them F'ers home when some may have had knowledge of 9-11.

We should remember he chased them all the way to Bagdad. We should remember Dubya censored 30 pages about Saudi Arabia in the 9-11 report.
And that means what? We are already cutting ties with them. And do you know why we blanked them out? No. And niether do I. Maybe because it was sensitive material that wasn't legal to even release. Maybe it was just so we Wouldn't pay $5 a gallon of gas at the pump. So you want to Pay $5 a gallon and go to war with Saudi? Don't be niave the public cannot know everything we already have a hard enough time with intellegence w/o divulging all our information. :p

So you think Saudi Arabia was behind 9-11 but we could not afford war with them. So we attack Iraq instead. That is just too screwed up. Let me guess. When your big brother hurts you, you respond by kicking the dog.


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980.

rolleye.gif



TheGameIs21- Here is another insightful reply by Ldir.

I sense the tinfoil is strong in this one...

CkG

More trash from CkG. Do you ever contribute anything? All you do is roll-eyes and put down. EXman's comments were ignorant. If a liberal posted them, you would still be ragging him.

I sense the hypocrisy is strong in this one.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: EXman
We should remember how Dubya helped his buddy radical Saudi asswipes flee the country on 9-12.
what are you talking about? I don't remember him letting them borrow the Texas rangers Plane. Also if you were a Saudi and Saudi Extremist did this wouldn't you fear reprisals. Send all them F'ers home anyways. That is what a good portion of what Americans felt anyhow. Like that Place in NewJersey where people were dancing in their neighborhood after the planes hit the towers.


What a stupid response. Texas Rangers plane? Moron. Great plan to send all them F'ers home when some may have had knowledge of 9-11.

We should remember he chased them all the way to Bagdad. We should remember Dubya censored 30 pages about Saudi Arabia in the 9-11 report.
And that means what? We are already cutting ties with them. And do you know why we blanked them out? No. And niether do I. Maybe because it was sensitive material that wasn't legal to even release. Maybe it was just so we Wouldn't pay $5 a gallon of gas at the pump. So you want to Pay $5 a gallon and go to war with Saudi? Don't be niave the public cannot know everything we already have a hard enough time with intellegence w/o divulging all our information. :p

So you think Saudi Arabia was behind 9-11 but we could not afford war with them. So we attack Iraq instead. That is just too screwed up. Let me guess. When your big brother hurts you, you respond by kicking the dog.


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980.

rolleye.gif



TheGameIs21- Here is another insightful reply by Ldir.

I sense the tinfoil is strong in this one...

CkG

More trash from CkG. Do you ever contribute anything? All you do is roll-eyes and put down. EXman's comments were ignorant. If a liberal posted them, you would still be ragging him.

I sense the hypocrisy is strong in this one.

Hehe - pot-kettle? "I should have said you are an idiot and your reply was stupid even for you. I should have said you are a bleating Bush apologist who dumbly supports everything Dubya does. BAA. BAA. BAA."
Hmmm....yup - more trash and hypocrisy from Ldir.

CkG