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9/11 Third Tower Mystery solved

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I'd have to say, I was a little suspicious/curious about the towers falling and concerning why exactly they did collapse at all.

Until I took a couple materials classes and a mechanics of materials class...now I'm actually wondering why they didn't collapse earlier.
 
Giuliani had all the evidence scooped and dumped, and sold to Chinese as scrap metal, so there will never be a thorough investigation into WTC7's collapse. You would think destroying evidence from a crime scene would be illegal, especially given that Giuliani is a lawyer.

 
Originally posted by: ranmaniac
Giuliani had all the evidence scooped and dumped, and sold to Chinese as scrap metal, so there will never be a thorough investigation into WTC7's collapse. You would think destroying evidence from a crime scene would be illegal, especially given that Giuliani is a lawyer.

YES IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB OMG PUT TINFOIL HATS ON
 
Originally posted by: SSSnail
There you go with your holier than though attitude, stop it dude, you'll just be a bigger ass than you already are. Allow me to blurb out some more mongoloid single cell thinking of ridiculous proportion.

Not *EVERY* building is built *IDENTICAL* to each others, but they all have to obey some very basic *STRUCTURAL* laws and another thing calls *GRAVITY*. Since neither of us are educated in the matter, I suggest we both STFU and believe what we want? You can start with not being an *ASS*, and have to resort to personal attacks. It makes you look like a *GIANT ASS*, really.
No they don't.

Skyscrapers, any building taller than it is wide, are engineered very differently than normal buildings. And some, like WTC 7 & and the Citibank building are engineered to have gravity effect them very differently than normal skyscrapers or buildings.

The Citibank building has no corners so it is engineered using upside down chevrons that direct all the force and structure of the building into the columns that hold the building up.

WTC 7 is another strangely designed building in that it was built over a transformer station and thus a lot of the buildings weight is transfered from the outsides of the building towards the center of the building. While this design caused no problem on a regular basis it made the building very susceptible to a catastrophic failure should it suffer structural damage.

If you watch the video of the building falling you will see it starts sag in the middle, all the weight is on that part of the building, and then that part can no longer hold the weight and it fails. Then you have something similar to a house of cards where once one floor falls on to the one below that one falls too.

Watch the video of the building link and notice that the middle falls first followed by the rest.

Then look a diagram that explain how the building was designed link and see that the weight of the whole building was held up by a much smaller foundation than normal.
 
its funny that the article stated that there was NO steel from wtc 7. the fema report did have steel from wtc 7 and for what ever reason, the nist did not have analyze it for themselves or make mention of that steel.

Although virtually all of the structural steel from the Twin Towers and Building 7 was removed and destroyed, preventing forensic analysis, FEMA's volunteer investigators did manage to perform "limited metallurgical examination" of some of the steel before it was recycled. Their observations, including numerous micrographs, are recorded in Appendix C of the WTC Building Performance Study. Prior to the release of FEMA's report, a fire protection engineer and two science professors published a brief report in JOM disclosing some of this evidence. 1

The results of the examination are striking. They reveal a phenomenon never before observed in building fires: eutectic reactions, which caused "intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese." The New York Times described this as "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation."

A one-inch column has been reduced to half-inch thickness. Its edges--which are curled like a paper scroll--have been thinned to almost razor sharpness. Gaping holes--some larger than a silver dollar--let light shine through a formerly solid steel flange. This Swiss cheese appearance shocked all of the fire-wise professors, who expected to see distortion and bending--but not holes.

FEMA's investigators inferred that a "liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur" formed during a "hot corrosion attack on the steel." The eutectic mixture (having the elements in such proportion as to have the lowest possible melting point) penetrated the steel down grain boundaries, making it "susceptible to erosion." Following are excerpts from Appendix C, Limited Metallurgical Examination.

http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf
 
Originally posted by: ranmaniac
Originally posted by: Brovane
It seems a little strange that tower 7 would be the first and only steel skyscraper ever to collapse from fire, and that all the steel from the building would then quickly get taken away and melted. If this was the first steel skyscraper ever to collapse because of fire, wouldn't the reasonable thing to do be to keep the steel long enough to perform some sort of analysis to see what happened?

I don't consider it strange because the fire was allowed to essentially burn with no attempts to put it out. How many other steel skyscraper fires were allowed to essentially burn for over 8 hours? Also the foundation of the skyscraper was weakened because of the electrical substation. You take a skyscraper with a weak foundation that wasn't originally designed for the size of building that was built on it and then allow a fire to rage for hours inside the skyscraper to me that it is a recipe for a failure.

In Feb, 1991, a fire burned for 18 hours in a 38 story building in Philadelphia, PA and did not collapse, even though 8 floors were gutted.

In October 2004 in Caracas, Venezuela, a fire in a 56-story office tower burned for more 17 hours and spread over 26 floors. Two floors collapsed, but the underlying floors did not, and the building remained standing.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...world/main649824.shtml

In February 2005 the 32-story Windsor Building in Madrid, Spain, caught fire and burned for two days. The building was completely engulfed in flames at one point. Several top floors collapsed onto lower ones, yet the building remained standing.

Considering it housed the Office of Emergency Management, Secret Service, CIA terrorist response teams there is no telling what kind of munitions were stored there or if there were large amounts of materials i.e. explosive/chemical that could elevate heat levels beyond normal fire conditions.
 
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: nick1985
OH MY GOD THE US GOVERNMENT DID IT! YOU CONVINCED ME

OH MY GOD THE ISLAMIC TERRORISTS DID IT! YOU CONVINCED ME!

lulz


Here is a highly improbable situation for you.

Lets say an all-knowing alien drops from the sky and asks you a question. The catch is, if you get it wrong, he kills you and your family. Answer A, or B, if you dodge the question by saying anything but the letter A or B, he kills you and your family. Here is the question:

Who attacked us on 9/11

A) Inside job by the US Government

B) Muslim Terrorists

 
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: JohnnyGage

http://www.amazon.com/Debunkin...6635X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?*****&s=books&qid=1215303235&sr=8-1

Yes, there is a thread for this stuff. groan...

It's cute how they say the theories can't stand up to "the facts". What facts, exactly? You mean the ones that were never found because there was no investigation allowed?

Astounding.

😕 :disgust: Your making it up as you go!

Read the book and you might find out what facts he is talking about.


Anyway, I tought there was to be ONE and ONLY ONE 911 conspiracy theories thread in this forrum.
 
See sig.

proof that US Government is guilty of conspiracy.

Why would you believe them on WTC7 when it looks exactly like a controlled demolition LOL.

 
Originally posted by: noto12ious
See sig.

proof that US Government is guilty of conspiracy.

Why would you believe them on WTC7 when it looks exactly like a controlled demolition LOL.

lol...you guys are too funny. You will convince someone yet!
 
nick1985-

u forgot to put up option 3 ......

inside job (cia) or outsourced (mossad)???? hell the cia helped train the mossad along with hitlers intel man general reinhard gehlen. bush is a member of skull and bones. there were many in the cia that were also skull and bones. where did this secret society come from.....bing bing....germany. just some interesting connections.

Francesco Cossiga-
" now know well that the disastrous attack was planned and realized by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and to persuade the Western powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan."

this man has dealt with intel agencies before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Cossiga
 
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: noto12ious
See sig.

proof that US Government is guilty of conspiracy.

Why would you believe them on WTC7 when it looks exactly like a controlled demolition LOL.

lol...you guys are too funny. You will convince someone yet!

that's why you can't refute the links 🙂

oh i love it!
 
Originally posted by: event8horizon
nick1985-

u forgot to put up option 3 ......

inside job (cia) or outsourced (mossad)???? hell the cia helped train the mossad along with hitlers intel man general reinhard gehlen. bush is a member of skull and bones. there were many in the cia that were also skull and bones. where did this secret society come from.....bing bing....germany. just some interesting connections.

Francesco Cossiga-
" now know well that the disastrous attack was planned and realized by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and to persuade the Western powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan."

this man has dealt with intel agencies before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Cossiga

yes you are crazy. got it.
 
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: noto12ious
See sig.

proof that US Government is guilty of conspiracy.

Why would you believe them on WTC7 when it looks exactly like a controlled demolition LOL.

lol...you guys are too funny. You will convince someone yet!

that's why you can't refute the links 🙂

oh i love it!

Its been refuted...again, and again, and again, and again......just you nuts are in your own reality and refuse to believe any real facts.
 
Originally posted by: XMan
Originally posted by: SSSnail
There you go with your holier than though attitude, stop it dude, you'll just be a bigger ass than you already are. Allow me to blurb out some more mongoloid single cell thinking of ridiculous proportion.

Not *EVERY* building is built *IDENTICAL* to each others, but they all have to obey some very basic *STRUCTURAL* laws and another thing calls *GRAVITY*. Since neither of us are educated in the matter, I suggest we both STFU and believe what we want? You can start with not being an *ASS*, and have to resort to personal attacks. It makes you look like a *GIANT ASS*, really.

Google Occam's Razor.

If you're right, one of the most incompetent and leak-filled presidential administrations in American history pulled off the most well-covered up event in all of human history, without a single person spilling the beans, and kept it secret for 7+ years. Richard Nixon was probably the most paranoid human being on the planet in the 70's but even that didn't keep Watergate a secret for 7 years.

Somehow, I don't think you're right.

who said little bushie pulled anything off? 🙂


oh snap. the transportation secretary just implicated the vice president for treason.
 
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: noto12ious
See sig.

proof that US Government is guilty of conspiracy.

Why would you believe them on WTC7 when it looks exactly like a controlled demolition LOL.

lol...you guys are too funny. You will convince someone yet!

that's why you can't refute the links 🙂

oh i love it!

Its been refuted...again, and again, and again, and again......just you nuts are in your own reality and refuse to believe any real facts.

that's ok.

too chicken to refute even admitted conspiracies. :thumbsup: .
 
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: noto12ious
See sig.

proof that US Government is guilty of conspiracy.

Why would you believe them on WTC7 when it looks exactly like a controlled demolition LOL.

lol...you guys are too funny. You will convince someone yet!

that's why you can't refute the links 🙂

oh i love it!

Its been refuted...again, and again, and again, and again......just you nuts are in your own reality and refuse to believe any real facts.

that's ok.

too chicken to refute even admitted conspiracies. :thumbsup: .

Have we been talking about Cuba, or are you just stupid?
 
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: noto12ious
See sig.

proof that US Government is guilty of conspiracy.

Why would you believe them on WTC7 when it looks exactly like a controlled demolition LOL.

lol...you guys are too funny. You will convince someone yet!

that's why you can't refute the links 🙂

oh i love it!

Its been refuted...again, and again, and again, and again......just you nuts are in your own reality and refuse to believe any real facts.

that's ok.

too chicken to refute even admitted conspiracies. :thumbsup: .

Have we been talking about Cuba, or are you just stupid?

We're talking about your stupidity and your inability to admit the us government has proven to conspire against you.
 
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: noto12ious
See sig.

proof that US Government is guilty of conspiracy.

Why would you believe them on WTC7 when it looks exactly like a controlled demolition LOL.

lol...you guys are too funny. You will convince someone yet!

that's why you can't refute the links 🙂

oh i love it!

Its been refuted...again, and again, and again, and again......just you nuts are in your own reality and refuse to believe any real facts.

that's ok.

too chicken to refute even admitted conspiracies. :thumbsup: .

Have we been talking about Cuba, or are you just stupid?

We're talking about your stupidity and your inability to admit the us government has proven to conspire against you.


OMG THEY ARE OUT TO GET ME AHHHH SO SCERRED. Give it a rest man...

Some serious tinfoil hat action going on up in here..
 
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