9/11 Loose Change Final Cut Released Online

[LegendKiller]

Why is it so hard to understand that all buildings are designed differently and the WTC buildings were much more different than most? Why is it so hard to believe that context regarding "pull it" is with regards to fire fighters?

I know 6 people that were in different buildings at the WTC site, including the N and S towers, the DB building, and WTC 7. The DB building guy saw the planes hit and narrowly escaped. A woman I know was in the N tower, she narrowly escaped. The WTC 7 guy got out right away but said there were a lot of fires.

I love armchair engineers and idiots who claim conspiracy. I know people on the ground, all honorable and honest people who I would trust with my life. Not one is lying and all are sane. That's far more than I can say for the average CT here.

It's no wonder that almost all CTs I see here are all RPBs, guilty of being financial and engineering idiots. However, they still claim they aren't and claim far more knowledge than they obviously have. Too bad the internet gives these tools too much power to blather on about idiotic ideas. Any other medium of communication would have shut them down instantly and decried them as whacko lunatics.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
You said "...reported before noon that it was leaning and floors were buckling.." without providing any facts, so naturally it's you that's saying that. You now said holes on the side of the building. This will be fun, because for all we know, all buildings that were ever involved in a major fire imploded.

I'm no physicist, but if you said the SOUTH side of the building were "weaken by fire", then shouldn't it start falling apart on the SOUTH side first? Dumb conspiracy theorists like myself tend to think along that line. I mean shit, if it's that easy to make building fall down on themselves, I'd go start a demolition business right now. Just give me some matches and kerosene.

Show me your holes, and I'll make it bigger.

I do believe the south side of the building was somewhat weakened by the 20 some story tall gash 1/4 the width of the building torn in it by WTC 1 debris. If you bothered to read the structural reports you also would see that WTC 7 was not a conventional design as part of it had to be cantilevered over a power substation on the north side. Add in fire to further weaken an already compromised structure.

Massive structural damage + unique design + fire = collapse

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Why is it so hard to understand that all buildings are designed differently and the WTC buildings were much more different than most? Why is it so hard to believe that context regarding "pull it" is with regards to fire fighters?

I know 6 people that were in different buildings at the WTC site, including the N and S towers, the DB building, and WTC 7. The DB building guy saw the planes hit and narrowly escaped. A woman I know was in the N tower, she narrowly escaped. The WTC 7 guy got out right away but said there were a lot of fires.

I love armchair engineers and idiots who claim conspiracy. I know people on the ground, all honorable and honest people who I would trust with my life. Not one is lying and all are sane. That's far more than I can say for the average CT here.

It's no wonder that almost all CTs I see here are all RPBs, guilty of being financial and engineering idiots. However, they still claim they aren't and claim far more knowledge than they obviously have. Too bad the internet gives these tools too much power to blather on about idiotic ideas. Any other medium of communication would have shut them down instantly and decried them as whacko lunatics.

They believe in crazy structural engineering, along with crazy economics. These new fields don't use any of that fancy book learning, they go straight from the gut. Its no real surprise that truthers are Ron Paul fans have a huge overlap, as it draws from the same fringe.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

They believe in crazy structural engineering, along with crazy economics. These new fields don't use any of that fancy book learning, they go straight from the gut. Its no real surprise that truthers are Ron Paul fans have a huge overlap, as it draws from the same fringe.[/quote]

There's def something personality related in seeing conspiracies. My bro in law is all about 9/11 truth, mercury in teeth fillings being an ADA/AMA conspiracy, fluoride in the water being intentional poison...he goes on for hours. He thinks he's smarter than everyone for seeing things we "miss". At least he isn't an RP nut. I feel bad for my nephews who I'll try to steer into sanity as they grow up.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: sirjonk


There's def something personality related in seeing conspiracies. My bro in law is all about 9/11 truth, mercury in teeth fillings being an ADA/AMA conspiracy, fluoride in the water being intentional poison...he goes on for hours. He thinks he's smarter than everyone for seeing things we "miss". At least he isn't an RP nut. I feel bad for my nephews who I'll try to steer into sanity as they grow up.

Luckily I don't have any family members like that. Good luck in trying to set those kids straight.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Wow this topic is still going? It's just looping, people ask "you think the government had something to do with it?" I say I don't care if they did or didn't. I just think that a whole fucking lot of it doesn't add up and I don't give a damn who I should or shouldn't suspect. What I care about is that "we the people" paid $14 million for a sub-par investigation that has yet to come up with an explanation for a 47 story building's collapse onto itself. It's been 6 years! Not only that but we have investigators tell us that the people that funded this attack are inconsequential!

Instead of people getting angry about this shit, we have people arguing about why either government did a great job or the people that question it are kooks or that the government did it all on purpose. We all need to wake the fuck up and realize that it's our job to question to the government and what they do otherwise we will wake up to a government that does whatever the fuck they want and if you disagree you're labeled a kook.

This isn't the argument at all. I question the government (and am very critical of it) every single day.

The reason you're being labeled a "kook" is not because you question the government, but because we all saw the planes hit the buildings, and we have seen the hard factual scientific evidence that the planes were the cause of the buildings' collapses.
While you keep bringing up innuendo and bizarre theories, none of which are supported by any evidence whatsoever, and then keep calling the rest of us names and telling us to "wake the fuck up" about our government (as if we weren't already) simply because we call your theories into question, the same way we already called the government's theories into question.
The government gave us hard evidence and science. You give us attitude and expect us not to put your theories under the same microscope of questioning that we put the government's theories under.

That's why you're a kook. You fancy yourself a skeptic, while IMO you don't even know the meaning of that word.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Wow this topic is still going? It's just looping, people ask "you think the government had something to do with it?" I say I don't care if they did or didn't. I just think that a whole fucking lot of it doesn't add up and I don't give a damn who I should or shouldn't suspect. What I care about is that "we the people" paid $14 million for a sub-par investigation that has yet to come up with an explanation for a 47 story building's collapse onto itself. It's been 6 years! Not only that but we have investigators tell us that the people that funded this attack are inconsequential!

Instead of people getting angry about this shit, we have people arguing about why either government did a great job or the people that question it are kooks or that the government did it all on purpose. We all need to wake the fuck up and realize that it's our job to question to the government and what they do otherwise we will wake up to a government that does whatever the fuck they want and if you disagree you're labeled a kook.

This isn't the argument at all. I question the government (and am very critical of it) every single day.

The reason you're being labeled a "kook" is not because you question the government, but because we all saw the planes hit the buildings, and we have see the hard factual scientific evidence that the planes were the cause of the buildings' collapses.
While you keep bringing up innuendo and bizarre theories, none of which are supported by any evidence whatsoever, and then keep calling the rest of us names and telling us to "wake the fuck up" about our government (as if we weren't already) simply because we call your theories into question, the same way we already called the government's theories into question.
The government gave us hard evidence and science. You give us attitude and expect us not to put your theories under the same microscope of questioning that we put the government's theories too.

That's why you're a kook. You fancy yourself a skeptic, while IMO you don't even know the meaning of that word.

Agreed 100%.

Doubting the government is completely different from doubting reality.

 

[jhbball]

Just watch that video with the assholes from loose change vs. the editor of Popular Science if you want a glimpse into how fucking ridiculous these clowns are.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

They believe in crazy structural engineering, along with crazy economics. These new fields don't use any of that fancy book learning, they go straight from the gut. Its no real surprise that truthers are Ron Paul fans have a huge overlap, as it draws from the same fringe.

There's def something personality related in seeing conspiracies. My bro in law is all about 9/11 truth, mercury in teeth fillings being an ADA/AMA conspiracy, fluoride in the water being intentional poison...he goes on for hours. He thinks he's smarter than everyone for seeing things we "miss". At least he isn't an RP nut. I feel bad for my nephews who I'll try to steer into sanity as they grow up.

Therein lies the problem - all these people have the sense of intellectual superiority and absolutely no formal background in the matters at hand. That's why the whole 'I don't need gov't tell me what to do' (aka Paul-isms) mentality connects with tinfoil hattery.

 

[clamum]

Originally posted by: jhbball
Just watch that video with the assholes from loose change vs. the editor of Popular Science if you want a glimpse into how fucking ridiculous these clowns are.

Haha, pretty much.

It's always good for a laugh, mainly because those Loose Changers get their ass handed to them so bad. And that Jason Bermas... lol. What a little bitch.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Yeah WTC7 building fell because of "fire" and "structural damage" LOL

My ass it did :roll:

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Yeah WTC7 building fell because of "fire" and "structural damage" LOL

My ass it did :roll:

Gotta love liberal interpretation.

All you've got is your own interpretation of what he means and stupid conspiracy theories. Nothing ground in fact or logic.

It's the same with your Ron Paul assertions for all of his nutball policies.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Yeah WTC7 building fell because of "fire" and "structural damage" LOL

My ass it did :roll:

Gotta love liberal interpretation.

What does that mean?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Yeah WTC7 building fell because of "fire" and "structural damage" LOL

My ass it did :roll:

Did you even listen to what he said?

I had to have a gravely sick cat put down once. Does that make me a cat murderer? Was it a conspiracy?

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Yeah WTC7 building fell because of "fire" and "structural damage" LOL

My ass it did :roll:

Did you even listen to what he said?

I had to have a gravely sick cat put down once. Does that make me a cat murderer? Was it a conspiracy?

Don't mix the issue. He said "to pull it". Are you really trying to argue this? LOL

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Yeah WTC7 building fell because of "fire" and "structural damage" LOL

My ass it did :roll:

Did you even listen to what he said?

I had to have a gravely sick cat put down once. Does that make me a cat murderer? Was it a conspiracy?

Yes, the Zionists paid you to put down your cat which you had just insured for one million dollars that very morning.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Yeah WTC7 building fell because of "fire" and "structural damage" LOL

My ass it did :roll:

Gotta love liberal interpretation.

What does that mean?

It means that it could mean anything. The most logical is he told them to pull the firefighters out of the building, as everybody else believes. They probably could have fought the fire and maybe have saved the building, but why risk lives?

Instead, you want to believe in some whacko conspiracy theory about demo charges and crap.

Your interpreting things liberally. Additionally, you aren't even applying logic. Logic would dictate the simplest answer is the most correct.

Which is more simple? That there is a conspiracy so vast as to require hundreds of people to not say a word and it never to leak, where our government can't even keep it's miltech top secret from other governments? Or where he simply meant to pull the firefighters?


You ever wonder why I will never take you people seriously? It's because you have a lack of higher brain functioning and logic. You read blogs and youtube videos as your basis for all of your arguments, only listening to one side of the equation. You then jump to your own conclusions ignorantly.

That's what Ron Paul feeds off of. It's why he, and you, are marginalized by everybody. Your only way to reconcile your inability to reason, is to say everybody else is crazy. This angst-ridden idiocy only further alienates you from the rest of society, further marginalizing your position.

Enjoy always being a fringe freak, it really seems like it's where you belong and love to inhabit.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Yeah WTC7 building fell because of "fire" and "structural damage" LOL

My ass it did :roll:

Did you even listen to what he said?

I had to have a gravely sick cat put down once. Does that make me a cat murderer? Was it a conspiracy?

Don't mix the issue. He said "to pull it". Are you really trying to argue this? LOL

Despite there being no evidence whatsoever of explosives being used at WTC 7...

I know it is the CT way to persist in the face of all contrary evidence but give it a rest.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Yeah WTC7 building fell because of "fire" and "structural damage" LOL

My ass it did :roll:

Did you even listen to what he said?

I had to have a gravely sick cat put down once. Does that make me a cat murderer? Was it a conspiracy?

Don't mix the issue. He said "to pull it". Are you really trying to argue this? LOL

Despite there being no evidence whatsoever of explosives being used at WTC 7...

I know it is the CT way to persist in the face of all contrary evidence but give it a rest.

They used special "stealth explosives" that leave no trace, no residue, or evidence. It was designed by the Rothschilds and Warburgs, along with Prescott Bush, Henry Ford, the Lehman brothers, and Pierpoint Morgan. It will be used by the Illuminatti to control the world by planting small explosives in our heads, detonating them by remote control if we get out of control. This was their first test. Beware, yours might already be implanted.

The Jewtrix has you!

 

[SSSnail]

What evidence? You mean the one that was controlled and shipped away that no one have their hands on? Or the one that NIST has and still haven't had a report on it yet, years later?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Yeah WTC7 building fell because of "fire" and "structural damage" LOL

My ass it did :roll:

Did you even listen to what he said?

I had to have a gravely sick cat put down once. Does that make me a cat murderer? Was it a conspiracy?

Don't mix the issue. He said "to pull it". Are you really trying to argue this? LOL

Despite there being no evidence whatsoever of explosives being used at WTC 7...

I know it is the CT way to persist in the face of all contrary evidence but give it a rest.

They used special "stealth explosives" that leave no trace, no residue, or evidence. It was designed by the Rothschilds and Warburgs, along with Prescott Bush, Henry Ford, the Lehman brothers, and Pierpoint Morgan. It will be used by the Illuminatti to control the world by planing small explosives in our heads, detonating them by remote control if we get out of control. This was their first test. Beware, yours might already be implanted.

The Jewtrix has you!

I do believe you forgot William Randolph Hearst who secretly masterminded the media campaign, from beyond the grave no less. You can't keep a good man down.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Yeah WTC7 building fell because of "fire" and "structural damage" LOL

My ass it did :roll:

Gotta love liberal interpretation.

What does that mean?

It means that it could mean anything. The most logical is he told them to pull the firefighters out of the building, as everybody else believes. They probably could have fought the fire and maybe have saved the building, but why risk lives?

Instead, you want to believe in some whacko conspiracy theory about demo charges and crap.

Your interpreting things liberally. Additionally, you aren't even applying logic. Logic would dictate the simplest answer is the most correct.

Which is more simple? That there is a conspiracy so vast as to require hundreds of people to not say a word and it never to leak, where our government can't even keep it's miltech top secret from other governments? Or where he simply meant to pull the firefighters?


You ever wonder why I will never take you people seriously? It's because you have a lack of higher brain functioning and logic. You read blogs and youtube videos as your basis for all of your arguments, only listening to one side of the equation. You then jump to your own conclusions ignorantly.

That's what Ron Paul feeds off of. It's why he, and you, are marginalized by everybody. Your only way to reconcile your inability to reason, is to say everybody else is crazy. This angst-ridden idiocy only further alienates you from the rest of society, further marginalizing your position.

Enjoy always being a fringe freak, it really seems like it's where you belong and love to inhabit.

I didn't read all your diatribe because its obvious you don't think critically about anything. Let me get this straight once and for all, so you can stop posting your snide remarks. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE THINKS OF ME OR MY VIEWS.

Can you read that? Understand it? Good. Then maybe you can argue the issue instead of jumping to namecalling "you people" as if to group me or others as "fringe" "loons" or otherwise "kooks". It goes to show your level of intelligence. Grow up child. Sickening you are with your high level of ego. It destroys any common ground for discussion.

Now you want to believe it was just "pulling the firefighters" go ahead. I won't call you a "fringe" for believing it. Something that is lost in you and many others here is common respect for the individual and his/her views.

Saying "pull it" could be either reasons given here. Pull it could mean pull all the firefighters out. But if I were going to say that, I would have said "pull them". He clearly says "pull it" so that could mean "pull the building".

Don't like my views? Tough shit, eat it.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Yeah WTC7 building fell because of "fire" and "structural damage" LOL

My ass it did :roll:

Did you even listen to what he said?

I had to have a gravely sick cat put down once. Does that make me a cat murderer? Was it a conspiracy?

Don't mix the issue. He said "to pull it". Are you really trying to argue this? LOL

I like how you end every sentence with a "LOL", as if what your explaining is so trivial that everybody should see the conspiracy for what it is. Unfortunately for you, this video doesn't indicate anything. It is a pretty well-documented fact that New York Fire Department knew WTC 7 was going to collapse long before it did. All this video does is confirm that fact.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Yeah WTC7 building fell because of "fire" and "structural damage" LOL

My ass it did :roll:

Gotta love liberal interpretation.

What does that mean?

It means that it could mean anything. The most logical is he told them to pull the firefighters out of the building, as everybody else believes. They probably could have fought the fire and maybe have saved the building, but why risk lives?

Instead, you want to believe in some whacko conspiracy theory about demo charges and crap.

Your interpreting things liberally. Additionally, you aren't even applying logic. Logic would dictate the simplest answer is the most correct.

Which is more simple? That there is a conspiracy so vast as to require hundreds of people to not say a word and it never to leak, where our government can't even keep it's miltech top secret from other governments? Or where he simply meant to pull the firefighters?


You ever wonder why I will never take you people seriously? It's because you have a lack of higher brain functioning and logic. You read blogs and youtube videos as your basis for all of your arguments, only listening to one side of the equation. You then jump to your own conclusions ignorantly.

That's what Ron Paul feeds off of. It's why he, and you, are marginalized by everybody. Your only way to reconcile your inability to reason, is to say everybody else is crazy. This angst-ridden idiocy only further alienates you from the rest of society, further marginalizing your position.

Enjoy always being a fringe freak, it really seems like it's where you belong and love to inhabit.

I didn't read all your diatribe because its obvious you don't think critically about anything. Let me get this straight once and for all, so you can stop posting your snide remarks. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE THINKS OF ME OR MY VIEWS.

Can you read that? Understand it? Good. Then maybe you can argue the issue instead of jumping to namecalling "you people" as if to group me or others as "fringe" "loons" or otherwise "kooks". It goes to show your level of intelligence. Grow up child. Sickening you are with your high level of ego. It destroys any common ground for discussion.

Now you want to believe it was just "pulling the firefighters" go ahead. I won't call you a "fringe" for believing it. Something that is lost in you and many others here is common respect for the individual and his/her views.

Saying "pull it" could be either reasons given here. Pull it could mean pull all the firefighters out. But if I were going to say that, I would have said "pull them". He clearly says "pull it" so that could mean "pull the building".

Don't like my views? Tough shit, eat it.

There's the teenage fringe angst coming out again. Too bad the loony toon will always be that way.

If you didn't care what others thought about your views, why do you try so hard to espouse them everywhere? It makes no sense.

Pull it could mean, pull the team, which an "it". It could mean pull the effort, which is an "it". It could mean he also misspoke. I am sure you might have done that before?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
What evidence? You mean the one that was controlled and shipped away that no one have their hands on? Or the one that NIST has and still haven't had a report on it yet, years later?

NIST already said that there was no evidence of a controlled demolition and explained the delay....

14. Why is the NIST investigation of the collapse of WTC 7 (the 47-story office building that collapsed on Sept. 11, 2001, hours after the towers) taking so long to complete? Is a controlled demolition hypothesis being considered to explain the collapse?

When NIST initiated the WTC investigation, it made a decision not to hire new staff to support the investigation. After the June 2004 progress report on the WTC investigation was issued, the NIST investigation team stopped working on WTC 7 and was assigned full-time through the fall of 2005 to complete the investigation of the WTC towers. With the release and dissemination of the report on the WTC towers in October 2005, the investigation of the WTC 7 collapse resumed. Considerable progress has been made since that time, including the review of nearly 80 boxes of new documents related to WTC 7, the development of detailed technical approaches for modeling and analyzing various collapse hypotheses, and the selection of a contractor to assist NIST staff in carrying out the analyses. It is anticipated that a draft report will be released for public comment by July 2008 and that the final report will be released shortly thereafter.

The current NIST working collapse hypothesis for WTC 7 is described in the June 2004 Progress Report on the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (Volume 1, page 17, as well as Appendix L), as follows:

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An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris-induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event) which supported a large-span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet;

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Vertical progression of the initial local failure occurred up to the east penthouse, and as the large floor bays became unable to redistribute the loads, it brought down the interior structure below the east penthouse; and

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Triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of floors 5 and 7 that were much thicker and more heavily reinforced than the rest of the floors) resulted in a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.

This hypothesis may be supported or modified, or new hypotheses may be developed, through the course of the continuing investigation. NIST also is considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse. While NIST has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, NIST would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements.

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm