9/11 conspiracy theorists multiply

[JulesMaximus]

These "studies" always make me laugh. What makes me cry is that fools read them and take them as fact without ever questioning any of the numbers cited in the study or the methods used to gather the information or even considered the section of society polled.

This study is meaningless IMO. :thumbsdown:

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
These "studies" always make me laugh. What makes me cry is that fools read them and take them as fact without ever questioning any of the numbers cited in the study or the methods used to gather the information or even considered the section of society polled.

This study is meaningless IMO. :thumbsdown:

yea, they surveyed 1010 ppl..

and figure it means the entire country

 

[jpeyton]

The Bush administration is one of the most secretive in our country's history.

Secrecy breeds conspiracy theories. Why does this surprise anyone?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The Bush administration is one of the most secretive in our country's history.

Secrecy breeds conspiracy theories. Why does this surprise anyone?

That was exactly my point above. The extreme secrecy of the Bush administation, combined with the fact that its most powerful decision-makers nearly all happen to be PNAC signatories, lends itself to conspiracy theories.

 

[Bulk Beef]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The Bush administration is one of the most secretive in our country's history.

Secrecy breeds conspiracy theories. Why does this surprise anyone?

That was exactly my point above. The extreme secrecy of the Bush administation, combined with the fact that its most powerful decision-makers nearly all happen to be PNAC signatories, lends itself to conspiracy theories.

That doesn't lend any more credibility to those theories.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
I don't believe any conspiracies but I DO KNOW that explosives were used to bring down the WTC Towers. My dad is a physics teacher and shows this to his class as well:
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Pure garbage. I'd ask that your father be removed from teaching physics if he showed that to my kid. There is barely any physics in that segment and what's there is not based in reality. The first assumption that it makes (that the floors collapsed on top of each other) is not how engineers and scientists believe the towers collapsed.

Basically, the heat bowed the floor transport beams causing the outside structural beams to bend until they snapped. Essentially, you then had the upper 30 or so stories completely detached from the rest of the building. The section and its kinetic energy then proceeded to plow through the rest of the building. There is every reason to expect this to follow gravitational acceleration.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
It takes time and energy absorption to break a weld, so right there the evidence isn't adding up.

You mean all that time when it was on fire lit up with tens of thousands of pounds in jet fuel. All that time when you have a major part of an external supported tower missing. You have 35-40% of the building's weight on thin air and shattered concrete and steal.
It DOES NOT TAKE A PHYSICS MAJOR to realize what happened.
It takes a 9 year old playing Jenga to figure out it can be done without explosives. A structural engineer would just confirm what the 9 year old said.
9 year old ownts you!

16/110 = 14.5%, looks like a 9 yr old's math just ownts you! :roll:

Physics says the building should have taken 0.5-1s per floor to fall. 94/2 = 47 seconds, not 8.4.

Count to 47 seconds (according to you, the quickest the building could have collapsed). Would you really have expected it to take that long?

 

[So]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
It takes time and energy absorption to break a weld, so right there the evidence isn't adding up.

You mean all that time when it was on fire lit up with tens of thousands of pounds in jet fuel. All that time when you have a major part of an external supported tower missing. You have 35-40% of the building's weight on thin air and shattered concrete and steal.
It DOES NOT TAKE A PHYSICS MAJOR to realize what happened.
It takes a 9 year old playing Jenga to figure out it can be done without explosives. A structural engineer would just confirm what the 9 year old said.
9 year old ownts you!

16/110 = 14.5%, looks like a 9 yr old's math just ownts you! :roll:

Physics says the building should have taken 0.5-1s per floor to fall. 94/2 = 47 seconds, not 8.4.

Count to 47 seconds (according to you, the quickest the building could have collapsed). Would you really have expected it to take that long?

You realize that if it fell at that rate, most of the people in the building would have walked away from the fall. How can anyone believe that a building falls so slow.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: sward666

That doesn't lend any more credibility to those theories.

I don't recall saying it did. We were just discussing why the theories were prevalent. Greater transparency in government (the Bush administration is essentially a black box from the public's perspective) would presumably deter them to some extent.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
It takes time and energy absorption to break a weld, so right there the evidence isn't adding up.

You mean all that time when it was on fire lit up with tens of thousands of pounds in jet fuel. All that time when you have a major part of an external supported tower missing. You have 35-40% of the building's weight on thin air and shattered concrete and steal.
It DOES NOT TAKE A PHYSICS MAJOR to realize what happened.
It takes a 9 year old playing Jenga to figure out it can be done without explosives. A structural engineer would just confirm what the 9 year old said.
9 year old ownts you!

16/110 = 14.5%, looks like a 9 yr old's math just ownts you! :roll:

Physics says the building should have taken 0.5-1s per floor to fall. 94/2 = 47 seconds, not 8.4.

Count to 47 seconds (according to you, the quickest the building could have collapsed). Would you really have expected it to take that long?

You realize that if it fell at that rate, most of the people in the building would have walked away from the fall. How can anyone believe that a building falls so slow.

what is this? an elevator ride? lol

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: sward666

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The Bush administration is one of the most secretive in our country's history.

Secrecy breeds conspiracy theories. Why does this surprise anyone?

That was exactly my point above. The extreme secrecy of the Bush administation, combined with the fact that its most powerful decision-makers nearly all happen to be PNAC signatories, lends itself to conspiracy theories.

That doesn't lend any more credibility to those theories.

But it allows those theories to exist in the first place.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: thraashman

Originally posted by: yllus
Occam's Razor says that the GOP, a group of politicians who couldn't keep their traps shut if they were stapled down, orchestrated the death of 3,000 fellow citizens and managed to keep every single person involved silent.

The CIA, not exactly a stranger to silence, can't keep the existence of overseas prisons a secret.

Yeah. Al Qaeda is the conspiracy theory. If you're a fscking retard.

Good point, our current government isn't near competent enough to keep this from leaking out if it were true.

I do however think that on 9/11 the government intentionally didn't do more when it could have. Whether from incompetence or some conspiracy, I don't know.

Actually, this was handled by the same govt. group that has kept aliens a secret for 50 years.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: thraashman

Originally posted by: yllus
Occam's Razor says that the GOP, a group of politicians who couldn't keep their traps shut if they were stapled down, orchestrated the death of 3,000 fellow citizens and managed to keep every single person involved silent.

The CIA, not exactly a stranger to silence, can't keep the existence of overseas prisons a secret.

Yeah. Al Qaeda is the conspiracy theory. If you're a fscking retard.

Good point, our current government isn't near competent enough to keep this from leaking out if it were true.

I do however think that on 9/11 the government intentionally didn't do more when it could have. Whether from incompetence or some conspiracy, I don't know.

Actually, this was handled by the same govt. group that has kept aliens a secret for 50 years.

:laugh:

:beer:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: sward666

That doesn't lend any more credibility to those theories.

I don't recall saying it did. We were just discussing why the theories were prevalent. Greater transparency in government (the Bush administration is essentially a black box from the public's perspective) would presumably deter them to some extent.

But would reveal government incompetence at the same time. Seriously. I said earlier that "They don't want us to know that they don't know." And it's true. Government would rather be secretive and encourage conspiracy theories than have people know that they're incompetent and don't know (what they're doing and/or they don't know what people think they should know). Conspiracy theories and theorists can be easily dismissed. Government incompetence, however, cannot be so easily dismissed once exposed, and politicians and bureaucrats would lose their jobs. So don't attribute to villainy that which results from stupidity.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: thraashman

Originally posted by: yllus
Occam's Razor says that the GOP, a group of politicians who couldn't keep their traps shut if they were stapled down, orchestrated the death of 3,000 fellow citizens and managed to keep every single person involved silent.

The CIA, not exactly a stranger to silence, can't keep the existence of overseas prisons a secret.

Yeah. Al Qaeda is the conspiracy theory. If you're a fscking retard.

Good point, our current government isn't near competent enough to keep this from leaking out if it were true.

I do however think that on 9/11 the government intentionally didn't do more when it could have. Whether from incompetence or some conspiracy, I don't know.

Actually, this was handled by the same govt. group that has kept aliens a secret for 50 years.

Oh. Them. They do good work.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Vic

But would reveal government incompetence at the same time. Seriously. I said earlier that "They don't want us to know that they don't know." And it's true. Government would rather be secretive and encourage conspiracy theories than have people know that they're incompetent and don't know (what they're doing and/or they don't know what people think they should know). Conspiracy theories and theorists can be easily dismissed. Government incompetence, however, cannot be so easily dismissed once exposed, and politicians and bureaucrats would lose their jobs. So don't attribute to villainy that which results from stupidity.

Yeah, your point is well taken.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
SP33 has been owned so many times in the past 2 days it isnt funny.

and i actually forgot about that one fact that keeps getting brought up, when watching the conspiracist movies.

the entire building never readched 0... there were still 30 or so stories that werent colapsed when they say it finishes collapsing...

and the image of the dust lower than the building is SOOO key.

Wow, you're still talking after I pwned you in the Avalanche thread where you kept linking to the wrong trucks?

30 stories? Try 16, rofl. Let's all help Mikey with math: 110-16 = 94.

Yes, because we can see how fast a building has collapsed through dust, right? rofl. Stop posting.

 

[Bulk Beef]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Vic

But would reveal government incompetence at the same time. Seriously. I said earlier that "They don't want us to know that they don't know." And it's true. Government would rather be secretive and encourage conspiracy theories than have people know that they're incompetent and don't know (what they're doing and/or they don't know what people think they should know). Conspiracy theories and theorists can be easily dismissed. Government incompetence, however, cannot be so easily dismissed once exposed, and politicians and bureaucrats would lose their jobs. So don't attribute to villainy that which results from stupidity.

Yeah, your point is well taken.

What Vic said.

And I realize that you're smart enough to know the difference, but a lot of people are not, which is exactly why the admin's lack of candor is seen by so many as "evidence".

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The Bush administration is one of the most secretive in our country's history.

Secrecy breeds conspiracy theories. Why does this surprise anyone?

That was exactly my point above. The extreme secrecy of the Bush administation, combined with the fact that its most powerful decision-makers nearly all happen to be PNAC signatories, lends itself to conspiracy theories.

the bush admin is as good about keeping secrets as a sieve is about keeping flour

 

[MercenaryForHire]

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[swtethan]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
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everyone

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Amused
SP33Demon,

The problem here is, you WANT to believe this. Just like your strange need to believe in a vast conspiracy among oil companies. You LIKE conspiracy theories. They do something for you.

Meanwhile, your logic and ability to think for yourself is left behind. How sad.

Your theory about him is more arrogant and pathetic then any conspiracy theory I could ever come up with. So if we believe in one conspiracy, we automatically are lumped into the oil conspiracy, aliens, going to the moon, etc.? The fact that you think you know how anyone on here thinks or what they want to believe is laughable and you are scum for trying to put such a untrue facade on anybody. Yeah, we LOVE conspiracies, when I'm having sex all I can think about is that building coming down. Give me a break, Amused. :roll:

Considering your sig, ("The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists" -J. Edgar Hoover )
your statement is not making any sense.

 

[Number1]

I am glad to see that most people here think of the conspiracies as a bunch of bull. Thank you all for your contribution on both sides of the debate.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: acemcmac
There is a very very plausable case for thermite in WTC 1, 2 and 7 and there were dozens of security cameras aimed at the pentigon that would have shown the impact and ended all of the cruise missile talk that the fed's are refusing to release (hotels, gas stations, etc).

These concerns are not baseless and the feds refusing to do anything to quell them only makes them look like they're really hiding something.

I've seen tapes. And I've seen highly qualified scientists and video analyst's on the History Channel who were able to slow it down enough to see that it was too big to be anything of the cruise missle sort.

The same was done for the towers' collapse, on the same progrma. Any qualified structural engineer would say the same. And yet you, and other simple Americans think they are better qualified. HTF is their a plausable case for thermite considering I have yet to see a single qualified person raise this theory, only the dim witted conspiracy people.

And to think I used to see intelligence in your posts here. Guess I wasn't paying enough attention

Ah, but the conspiracy theorists have their expert who says it "was" explosives in the WTC. Oh, wait, except the guy was misquoted and actually said "It looks like explosives... But it's not, that's actually a side-effect of the pancaking of multiple floors." and has since been publicly campaigning to make people understand what he really said.
You can show the conspiracy folks as many diagrams as you want, as many videos, as many factual resources - and they'll dismiss it all and say "Could've been, but it wasn't."

 

[DukeN]

I think the "vaporization" of the engine, etc was the most laughable point put forward by the "authorities". That one hits home for me, the fact that they had literally no wreckage of the plane at all that crashed into the Pentagon.