9/11 consipracy movie

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Oh come on... you can't put him ahead of the P&N overload conjur! Even people on YAGT.com hate 'em! :laugh:

at least conjur reaches his conclusions through rational thought.

"Liquids flow down , the steel in the basement didnt melt, it melted at the high temperature fire and flowed down. Common sense"


Speaking of rational thought, go find ANY official government report indicating high temperature fires MELTED STEEL at the World Trade Center

I never said there werent any explosions, i said the explosions could be things other than your retarded theory

Oops my mistake...you tried brushing off the explosions as "structural failure" LoL. Too bad that automatically contradicts the official story, since there were no significant structural failures before the official collapses began. The "retarded theory" is actually that of the firefighters (i.e. Louie Cacchioli, Paul Isaac Jr.). You're basically calling them liars. All of your other points have already been addressed here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=1&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

Ahh i get it, explosions could be nothing other than controlled demolitions, set up by the goverernment, which they used in a method that no other demolitions in the world would ever even consider using (minutes apart, completely unstable).

And because i dont agree that it was controlled demolitions and military grade thermite, clearly im calling all of the firefighters liars.

One thing is for sure, a firefighter is not a structural engineer. While i do salute the FDNY for being some of the bravest and most noble people in the world, that doesnt mean they know what they are looking at in a situation like this.

 

[WildHorse]

1st, I don't get why the ATOT moderators keep locking threads discussing 911.
Valid questions are being asked from many quarters, and it's important.

2nd, another of the people who died in the jetliner crash into the Pentagon has turned up (in addition to quite a few of the Arabs who are reported to have died in the hijackings but have turned up living & working ) See:

"French and American intelligence agents have arrested Barbara Olson, the wife of a former Bush administration official, a few days ago on the Polish-German border, according to agents close to and with knowledge of the incident.

The alleged 9.11 Pentagon crash victim was found to be in possession of millions in fake interbank Italian lyra currency..."

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[MikeMike]

scott, they keep locking it because they only want this thread.

2, do you have a true AP news link for this?

noto12ous: have you EVER been in the heat of the moment and TRIED to recall EVERYTHING? when that ****** was going on they had no fricin clue what all was happening, it was an INSANE day, with NO organization, lots of urgency, no clue what all was going on.

and yes, Acanthus, I, and others, have shot down every single one of your points.

IF they had placed explosive in the basement of WTC, and they were set to explode on EXTREMELY different times, you would have seen the building fall to a side, thats physics, the weight would transfer to a side.

Melted steel is so frickin easy to explain. i like the Lighter Fluid/Charcoal type explanation for easy comprehension for the feeble minded.
Charcoal is a bitch to burn, but you put lighter fluid on it, to ignite it, and it will get HOT, VERY HOT.

 

[Canun]

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Canun
2 plumes, two accounts, and questionable evidence. Yup, you are definitely right you are so much more logical. Whereas I've given more likely scenarios that follow the laws of physics. Yup, I'm not logical.

I'm outta here have a good night.

2 plumes? Wtf are you smoking? I just posted 3 screenshots indicating at least 7 ... plus numerous other large plumes in the Loose Change video.

Yeah, go ahead high tail it out of this thread ,.. you have nothing to counter all of the precollapse explosions and corroborating accounts of lower level demolition flashes as reported by fire fighters

hey, you jackass, hes going to bed, he sure as hell aint high tailing it out of here. you are just becoming a fvcking troll.

How convenient that he signs off after I destroyed all of his arguments "2 plumes" LoL.

Actually, you're the one that's trolling, mikemike. What happened to your bogus claims about me? Remember you started crying about leaving the thread, when you were actually mistaken as to the reasons given? Now you're back. So again, who's trolling?

LOL, I got off of work and went home. I have a life outside of arguing on forums.

Aside from that, if you can apply the principle of Occam's Razor, and prove that your "theory" is the more plausible explanation you win. Sorry I mention two plumes, but you posted two pictures of the exact same plume in your argument earlier.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Canun

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Canun
2 plumes, two accounts, and questionable evidence. Yup, you are definitely right you are so much more logical. Whereas I've given more likely scenarios that follow the laws of physics. Yup, I'm not logical.

I'm outta here have a good night.

2 plumes? Wtf are you smoking? I just posted 3 screenshots indicating at least 7 ... plus numerous other large plumes in the Loose Change video.

Yeah, go ahead high tail it out of this thread ,.. you have nothing to counter all of the precollapse explosions and corroborating accounts of lower level demolition flashes as reported by fire fighters

hey, you jackass, hes going to bed, he sure as hell aint high tailing it out of here. you are just becoming a fvcking troll.

How convenient that he signs off after I destroyed all of his arguments "2 plumes" LoL.

Actually, you're the one that's trolling, mikemike. What happened to your bogus claims about me? Remember you started crying about leaving the thread, when you were actually mistaken as to the reasons given? Now you're back. So again, who's trolling?

LOL, I got off of work and went home. I have a life outside of arguing on forums.

Aside from that, if you can apply the principle of Occam's Razor, and prove that your "theory" is the more plausible explanation you win. Sorry I mention two plumes, but you posted two pictures of the exact same plume in your argument earlier.

he might need this link.

explanation of Occam's Razor

 

[Canun]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Canun

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Canun
2 plumes, two accounts, and questionable evidence. Yup, you are definitely right you are so much more logical. Whereas I've given more likely scenarios that follow the laws of physics. Yup, I'm not logical.

I'm outta here have a good night.

2 plumes? Wtf are you smoking? I just posted 3 screenshots indicating at least 7 ... plus numerous other large plumes in the Loose Change video.

Yeah, go ahead high tail it out of this thread ,.. you have nothing to counter all of the precollapse explosions and corroborating accounts of lower level demolition flashes as reported by fire fighters

hey, you jackass, hes going to bed, he sure as hell aint high tailing it out of here. you are just becoming a fvcking troll.

How convenient that he signs off after I destroyed all of his arguments "2 plumes" LoL.

Actually, you're the one that's trolling, mikemike. What happened to your bogus claims about me? Remember you started crying about leaving the thread, when you were actually mistaken as to the reasons given? Now you're back. So again, who's trolling?

LOL, I got off of work and went home. I have a life outside of arguing on forums.

Aside from that, if you can apply the principle of Occam's Razor, and prove that your "theory" is the more plausible explanation you win. Sorry I mention two plumes, but you posted two pictures of the exact same plume in your argument earlier.

he might need this link.

explanation of Occam's Razor

Ah...thanks. Forgot to throw that in there.

 

[noto12ious]

Acanthus and MIKEMIKE still insist fires melted steel... yet even NIST admits the fires never reached temperatures to melt steel. Acanthus, have you found a report supporting your "rubble" fire theory melted WTC steel...and was still smoldering hot months after 9/11? :laugh: Where's that report, Acanthus?

Canun, you've dodged a mountain of evidence indicating controlled demolition at WTC1, WTC2, and especially WTC7

If it sounds like a controlled demolition (numerous huge explosion detonations preceeded all 3 building collapses).. If it looks like a controlled demolition (as indicated by news reporters, fire fighters, demolitions experts...along with obvious demolition squibs 50 floors below any collapse point)...and if eyewitness accounts are also consistent with controlled demolition (numerous corroborating eyewitness testimony to lower level demolition flashes seconds before collapses initiated at the top)... If pyroclastic dust clouds are consistent with a controled demolition (including WTC 7)... then I guess it really was a result of controlled demolition Why haven't any of these thoroughly documented pre collapse explosions been officially recognized by the government? Don't forget national hero William Rodriguez's testimony of explosions in the basement levels before the planes struck... explosions which injured many people on the basement levels. Why have ALL of these explosions been ignored by the government of the United States of America? Well?

Then again, you can go ahead and believe the official "theory", that for the first time in the history of the world, three steel framed buildings were brought down by fires on the same exact day...and hasn't been repeated since. The official report (which again, ignores every single major pre collapse explosion...I do enjoy pointing that out) basically says that demolition crews across the world are idiots! Why are these demolition crews across the world wasting so much time and money planting explosives throughout many floors to take down buildings, when instead they could just light a few blowtorches, plant a few explosives in the upper floors and watch buildings crumble like on 9/11?
Damn, demolition crews sure are clueless! I especially enjoy pointing out WTC7. Perfectly symmetrical collapse with inward kinks where the central columns are, pre collapse explosions caught on camera, demolition flashes while the building is going down, pyroclastic dust clouds, and squibs to boot

Oh yeah, then there's the whole federal offense of criminally removing debris from the crime scene. Why bother investigating? Haha.

No wonder the administration strongly opposed the formation of an investigative Comission (which conveniently omitted WTC7).
And to think, controlled demolition at WTC is only a small piece of the overal 9/11 picture =)

<3 people in denial. You always put a smile on my face. Hey Acanthus, where's your government report?

 

[noto12ious]

9/11 Bank Buys Broker For Concealed Demolition

In an open letter from David Hawkins to the London Market insurance brokers committee the cause for murder and fraud is laid out for the Trade Center destruction. As the onslaught of information about the destruction of the three towers on Sept. 11, 2001 the idea of complicity becomes more apparent:

http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/8847...k_Buys_Broker_for_Concealed_Demolition

 

[ElFenix]

there were no precollapse explosions, and seismograph data backs that up.

what's going to be more reliable, a seismograph or a person in the most confusing and hectic day of their life?

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
there were no precollapse explosions, and seismograph data backs that up.

what's going to be more reliable, a seismograph or a person in the most confusing and hectic day of their life?

The day was not confusing, you are continuing to confuse the fact that everything was under order.

Plus if you look at "insert link here" video you see dust, a distinct sign of an explosion.



Noto12ous, your theory is flawed, 'pull' is not industry jargon, its a term to REMOVE ppl/things from the area.

you also still didnt show me how i can trust the statements of ppl who were there, because the area was HIGHLY chaotic.

you need to show me links from UNBIASED areas, and get NEW statements from DIFFERENT engineers.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: ElFenix
there were no precollapse explosions, and seismograph data backs that up.

what's going to be more reliable, a seismograph or a person in the most confusing and hectic day of their life?

The day was not confusing, you are continuing to confuse the fact that everything was under order.

Plus if you look at "insert link here" video you see dust, a distinct sign of an explosion.



Noto12ous, your theory is flawed, 'pull' is not industry jargon, its a term to REMOVE ppl/things from the area.

you also still didnt show me how i can trust the statements of ppl who were there, because the area was HIGHLY chaotic.

you need to show me links from UNBIASED areas, and get NEW statements from DIFFERENT engineers.

Hey come on, you know the guy trying to sell you a book and the people selling DVDs are highly reliable and unbiased sources!

For every 10 people they find to support this stupid theory, theres A THOUSAND that go against it.

 

[Canun]

Originally posted by: noto12ious
Canun, you've dodged a mountain of evidence indicating controlled demolition at WTC1, WTC2, and especially WTC7

What mountain of evidence? No structural engineer has said it was not possible for the planes to do it. The only thing on here that you call "proof" is the opinions of people doing the best to stay alive. BTW, I seem to recall seeing a fireman on the screen that day stating that #7 had to come down due to the hazard for firemen on the scene. That is a fuzzy recollection, so that isn't proof.

If it sounds like a controlled demolition (numerous huge explosion detonations preceeded all 3 building collapses).. If it looks like a controlled demolition (as indicated by news reporters, fire fighters, demolitions experts...along with obvious demolition squibs 50 floors below any collapse point)...and if eyewitness accounts are also consistent with controlled demolition (numerous corroborating eyewitness testimony to lower level demolition flashes seconds before collapses initiated at the top)...

Numerous huge explosions? Other than when the plane hit, where are they on the films? The plumes I already explained which have at least equal validity to your claim. Applying a logic test such as Occam's Razor puts forth this question? Which is more probable? The planes caused the collapse, or the gov't spent weeks preparing the building for demolition?

If pyroclastic dust clouds are consistent with a controled demolition (including WTC 7)... then I guess it really was a result of controlled demolition Why haven't any of these thoroughly documented pre collapse explosions been officially recognized by the government? Don't forget national hero William Rodriguez's testimony of explosions in the basement levels before the planes struck... explosions which injured many people on the basement levels. Why have ALL of these explosions been ignored by the government of the United States of America? Well?

Did you ever think the witnesses may be wrong? As another poster interjects, there was no seismic signs of pre collapse explosions, and the equipment used to detect earthquakes would notice something like that.

Then again, you can go ahead and believe the official "theory", that for the first time in the history of the world, three steel framed buildings were brought down by fires on the same exact day...and hasn't been repeated since. The official report (which again, ignores every single major pre collapse explosion...I do enjoy pointing that out) basically says that demolition crews across the world are idiots! Why are these demolition crews across the world wasting so much time and money planting explosives throughout many floors to take down buildings, when instead they could just light a few blowtorches, plant a few explosives in the upper floors and watch buildings crumble like on 9/11?

You really are clueless. Do you know how much prep work has to be done to get a precise implosion? You have to gut the beams, place the charges at angles to cut the beams precisely. (which there was no evidence of) Additonally, a large enough impromptu explosion to take out all the central beams would have blown out the garage and the first floor of the buildings, which would have been very noticable, which there weren't. You never took physics, or structural analysis did you? I have, and what you are saying is completely improbably.

Damn, demolition crews sure are clueless! I especially enjoy pointing out WTC7. Perfectly symmetrical collapse with inward kinks where the central columns are, pre collapse explosions caught on camera, demolition flashes while the building is going down, pyroclastic dust clouds, and squibs to boot

Oh yeah, then there's the whole federal offense of criminally removing debris from the crime scene. Why bother investigating? Haha.

Yup, searching for survivors is a problem. You're right they were criminally negligent. Geez.

No wonder the administration strongly opposed the formation of an investigative Comission (which conveniently omitted WTC7).
And to think, controlled demolition at WTC is only a small piece of the overal 9/11 picture =)

And aliens were at Roswell, and we should all drink the cool aid why we can. You still haven't explained how this is the logical conclusion to come to. Additionally, you still haven't stated what expertise you have with buildings, demolitions, structures, etc.

<3 people in denial. You always put a smile on my face. Hey Acanthus, where's your government report?

Do you think for yourself? You are quoting conspiracy theorists, then exagerate your claims. You state that all demolition experts state it was a controlled implosion, which is not the case. You state that the "plumes" are charges, when there is an equally logical explanation that make more sense.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
there were no precollapse explosions, and seismograph data backs that up.

what's going to be more reliable, a seismograph or a person in the most confusing and hectic day of their life?

http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html

The above image is a seismographical readout at the time of the attacks and collapse of the WTC. You can clearly see on the top line the small peaks of the planes impacts.

But here is where it gets interesting, check out those two really BIG spikes on the 3rd and 4th lines. Those spikes represent the collapse of the towers. Notice the shape of these spikes, the highest peak is actually at the beginning. A strange anomaly when you consider the nature of a collapse is more gradual than explosive, with the vibrations becoming more and more intense as each floor collapses onto the next.

But this isnt the case in the seismograph.

The Palisades seismic data recorded a 2.1 magnitude earthquake during the 10-second collapse of the South Tower at 9:59:04 and a 2.3 quake during the 8-second collapse of the North Tower at 10:28:31.

While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse. Not only that, but these two unexplained spikes are more than twenty times the amplitude of the other seismic waves associated with the collapses!

This seismic record shows that as the collapses began - a huge seismic spike marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the earth.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/09_03_02/NEW_SEISMIC_/new_seismic_.html

American Free Press has learned of pools of ?molten steel? found at the base of the collapsed twin towers weeks after the collapse. Although the energy source for these incredibly hot areas has yet to be explained, New York seismometers recorded huge bursts of energy, which caused unexplained seismic ?spikes? at the beginning of each collapse.

These spikes suggest that massive underground explosions may have literally knocked the towers off their foundations, causing them to collapse.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: ElFenix
there were no precollapse explosions, and seismograph data backs that up.

what's going to be more reliable, a seismograph or a person in the most confusing and hectic day of their life?

http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html

The above image is a seismographical readout at the time of the attacks and collapse of the WTC. You can clearly see on the top line the small peaks of the planes impacts.

But here is where it gets interesting, check out those two really BIG spikes on the 3rd and 4th lines. Those spikes represent the collapse of the towers. Notice the shape of these spikes, the highest peak is actually at the beginning. A strange anomaly when you consider the nature of a collapse is more gradual than explosive, with the vibrations becoming more and more intense as each floor collapses onto the next.

But this isnt the case in the seismograph.

The Palisades seismic data recorded a 2.1 magnitude earthquake during the 10-second collapse of the South Tower at 9:59:04 and a 2.3 quake during the 8-second collapse of the North Tower at 10:28:31.

While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse. Not only that, but these two unexplained spikes are more than twenty times the amplitude of the other seismic waves associated with the collapses!

This seismic record shows that as the collapses began - a huge seismic spike marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the earth.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/09_03_02/NEW_SEISMIC_/new_seismic_.html

American Free Press has learned of pools of ?molten steel? found at the base of the collapsed twin towers weeks after the collapse. Although the energy source for these incredibly hot areas has yet to be explained, New York seismometers recorded huge bursts of energy, which caused unexplained seismic ?spikes? at the beginning of each collapse.

These spikes suggest that massive underground explosions may have literally knocked the towers off their foundations, causing them to collapse.

Also,

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtcshake.mpg
12 seconds before WTC1 collapse, the tripod shakes, debris falls off the right side of the building

It corrobarotes with this:

911 Eyewitness
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911+eyewitness
Time frame 52:50 - 55:10, numerous explosions can be heard, and white smoke can be seen rising from the streets before WTC1 collapse

More corroboration of pre collapse explosions:
http://www.mypetgoat.tv/video/Bomb_Montage.WMV

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/vide...floor26th_firefighter_high_quality.wmv

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248
The first minute of this clip includes more eyewitness testimonies of huge explosions before the collapses

http://www.911proof.com/resources/innrodriguesisdnsept05snow.wmv
Explosion in the basement levels BEFORE the planes struck.

LOL at the people in denial about precollapse explosions. :laugh:

Edit: Acanthus, William Rodriguez is a national hero. I'll take his word So what if he's trying to spread the truth by having people call a number to get a FREE DVD? He SHOULD be selling his story with book deals too... it's what the 9/11 Commission did, right? :laugh: Acanthus, where's your government report of fires melting WTC steel?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: ElFenix
there were no precollapse explosions, and seismograph data backs that up.

what's going to be more reliable, a seismograph or a person in the most confusing and hectic day of their life?

http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html

The above image is a seismographical readout at the time of the attacks and collapse of the WTC. You can clearly see on the top line the small peaks of the planes impacts.

But here is where it gets interesting, check out those two really BIG spikes on the 3rd and 4th lines. Those spikes represent the collapse of the towers. Notice the shape of these spikes, the highest peak is actually at the beginning. A strange anomaly when you consider the nature of a collapse is more gradual than explosive, with the vibrations becoming more and more intense as each floor collapses onto the next.

But this isnt the case in the seismograph.

The Palisades seismic data recorded a 2.1 magnitude earthquake during the 10-second collapse of the South Tower at 9:59:04 and a 2.3 quake during the 8-second collapse of the North Tower at 10:28:31.

While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse. Not only that, but these two unexplained spikes are more than twenty times the amplitude of the other seismic waves associated with the collapses!

This seismic record shows that as the collapses began - a huge seismic spike marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the earth.

not only is the image broken, but the people who own that seismograph have said that the interpretation based on that image is completely wrong, because the scale used is far too large.
don't let the facts get in the way of your conspiracy, though

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: ElFenix
there were no precollapse explosions, and seismograph data backs that up.

what's going to be more reliable, a seismograph or a person in the most confusing and hectic day of their life?

http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html

The above image is a seismographical readout at the time of the attacks and collapse of the WTC. You can clearly see on the top line the small peaks of the planes impacts.

But here is where it gets interesting, check out those two really BIG spikes on the 3rd and 4th lines. Those spikes represent the collapse of the towers. Notice the shape of these spikes, the highest peak is actually at the beginning. A strange anomaly when you consider the nature of a collapse is more gradual than explosive, with the vibrations becoming more and more intense as each floor collapses onto the next.

But this isnt the case in the seismograph.

The Palisades seismic data recorded a 2.1 magnitude earthquake during the 10-second collapse of the South Tower at 9:59:04 and a 2.3 quake during the 8-second collapse of the North Tower at 10:28:31.

While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse. Not only that, but these two unexplained spikes are more than twenty times the amplitude of the other seismic waves associated with the collapses!

This seismic record shows that as the collapses began - a huge seismic spike marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the earth.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/09_03_02/NEW_SEISMIC_/new_seismic_.html

American Free Press has learned of pools of ?molten steel? found at the base of the collapsed twin towers weeks after the collapse. Although the energy source for these incredibly hot areas has yet to be explained, New York seismometers recorded huge bursts of energy, which caused unexplained seismic ?spikes? at the beginning of each collapse.

These spikes suggest that massive underground explosions may have literally knocked the towers off their foundations, causing them to collapse.

Also,

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtcshake.mpg
12 seconds before WTC1 collapse, the tripod shakes, debris falls off the right side of the building

It corrobarotes with this:

911 Eyewitness
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911+eyewitness
Time frame 52:50 - 55:10, numerous explosions can be heard, and white smoke can be seen rising from the streets before WTC1 collapse

More corroboration of pre collapse explosions:
http://www.mypetgoat.tv/video/Bomb_Montage.WMV

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/vide...floor26th_firefighter_high_quality.wmv

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248
The first minute of this clip includes more eyewitness testimonies of huge explosions before the collapses

http://www.911proof.com/resources/innrodriguesisdnsept05snow.wmv
Explosion in the basement levels BEFORE the planes struck.

LOL at the people in denial about precollapse explosions. :laugh:

Edit: Acanthus, William Rodriguez is a national hero. I'll take his word So what if he's trying to spread the truth by having people call a number to get a FREE DVD? He SHOULD be selling his story with book deals too... it's what the 9/11 Commission did, right? :laugh: Acanthus, where's your government report of fires melting WTC steel?

Ill use your debating technique, wheres your government report saying it didn't?

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: ElFenix
there were no precollapse explosions, and seismograph data backs that up.

what's going to be more reliable, a seismograph or a person in the most confusing and hectic day of their life?

http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html

The above image is a seismographical readout at the time of the attacks and collapse of the WTC. You can clearly see on the top line the small peaks of the planes impacts.

But here is where it gets interesting, check out those two really BIG spikes on the 3rd and 4th lines. Those spikes represent the collapse of the towers. Notice the shape of these spikes, the highest peak is actually at the beginning. A strange anomaly when you consider the nature of a collapse is more gradual than explosive, with the vibrations becoming more and more intense as each floor collapses onto the next.

But this isnt the case in the seismograph.

The Palisades seismic data recorded a 2.1 magnitude earthquake during the 10-second collapse of the South Tower at 9:59:04 and a 2.3 quake during the 8-second collapse of the North Tower at 10:28:31.

While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse. Not only that, but these two unexplained spikes are more than twenty times the amplitude of the other seismic waves associated with the collapses!

This seismic record shows that as the collapses began - a huge seismic spike marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the earth.

not only is the image broken, but the people who own that seismograph have said that the interpretation based on that image is completely wrong, because the scale used is far too large.
don't let the facts get in the way of your conspiracy, though

dont worry noto12ous has said that reporter X is part of CIA, reporty Y is the cousins brother of reportereX;s sisters husband and Reporty Z is the best friends roomate fo reporters X's girlfriend whose virginity he took in 1999. so they are all related to the conspiracy..

(im drunk, but thats the best typing i ahve)

 

[Greka]

gov conspiracy = maybe, not sure - we cant know this yet.
is this war good for us = NO, killing is killing no matter what.


but this is crazy and it is true 100% Martial Law9/11

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: ElFenix
there were no precollapse explosions, and seismograph data backs that up.

what's going to be more reliable, a seismograph or a person in the most confusing and hectic day of their life?

http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html

The above image is a seismographical readout at the time of the attacks and collapse of the WTC. You can clearly see on the top line the small peaks of the planes impacts.

But here is where it gets interesting, check out those two really BIG spikes on the 3rd and 4th lines. Those spikes represent the collapse of the towers. Notice the shape of these spikes, the highest peak is actually at the beginning. A strange anomaly when you consider the nature of a collapse is more gradual than explosive, with the vibrations becoming more and more intense as each floor collapses onto the next.

But this isnt the case in the seismograph.

The Palisades seismic data recorded a 2.1 magnitude earthquake during the 10-second collapse of the South Tower at 9:59:04 and a 2.3 quake during the 8-second collapse of the North Tower at 10:28:31.

While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse. Not only that, but these two unexplained spikes are more than twenty times the amplitude of the other seismic waves associated with the collapses!

This seismic record shows that as the collapses began - a huge seismic spike marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the earth.

not only is the image broken, but the people who own that seismograph have said that the interpretation based on that image is completely wrong, because the scale used is far too large.
don't let the facts get in the way of your conspiracy, though

dont worry noto12ous has said that reporter X is part of CIA, reporty Y is the cousins brother of reportereX;s sisters husband and Reporty Z is the best friends roomate fo reporters X's girlfriend whose virginity he took in 1999. so they are all related to the conspiracy..

(im drunk, but thats the best typing i ahve)

LMAO at the doubters who still deny explosions. The 1993 Truck Bombing at WTC did not register on seismographs either. GG! Also, the Popular Mechanics article has conflicts of interests to the truth, as pointed out in this thread and other threads. Senior researcher , Benjamin Chertoff of the Popular Mechanics 911 debunking article is none other than first cousin of Michael Chertoff, secretary of the department of Homeland Security. Popular Mechanics also has heavy ties to the CIA, as already pointed out in numerous threads. Notice Popular Mechanics doesn't dare address the numerous pre collapse explosions or molten steel issue? Haha.

Huge pre collapse explosions did happen... that's not even up for debate. Too many reporters and witnesses on the ground coroborate that...many said those pre collapse explosions shook the ground Cameras and audio picked up those pre collapse explosions as well.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtcshake.mpg
12 seconds before WTC1 collapse, the tripod shakes, debris falls off the right side of the building

It corrobarotes with this:

911 Eyewitness
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911+eyewitness
Time frame 52:50 - 55:10, numerous explosions can be heard, and white smoke can be seen rising from the streets before WTC1 collapse

More corroboration of pre collapse explosions:
http://www.mypetgoat.tv/video/Bomb_Montage.WMV

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/vide...floor26th_firefighter_high_quality.wmv

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248
The first minute of this clip includes more eyewitness testimonies of huge explosions before the collapses

http://www.911proof.com/resources/innrodriguesisdnsept05snow.wmv
Explosion in the basement levels BEFORE the planes struck.


Again, LOL at the people in denial about precollapse explosions. :laugh:

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Ill use your debating technique, wheres your government report saying it didn't?

Government's Dr. Frank Gayle, Metals Expert: "Your gut reaction would be the jet fuel is what made the fire so very intense, a lot of people figured that's what melted the steel. Indeed it didn't, the steel did not melt."

So, what caused "rivers of molten steel" ?
It sure wasn't fires, as admitted by the government Where's your report Acanthus?

 

[91TTZ]

I can't believe that these conspiracy theorists are that dense. Their perception of what's real and what's fake is just abysmal.

I can only attribute it to some sort of mental problem, because they'll seem like perfectly normal, smart people most of the time, but then they can't differentiate between what's plausible and what's completely bogus. To them, they're both valid possibilities.


You have people out there who are fully functioning humans, yet they can't seem to figure out the difference between living and nonliving things. They'll gladly have a conversation with you about particle physics, but then again they're just as eager to have that conversation with a telephone pole, and they'll think it's being rude because it's "ignoring" them when they try to talk to it.

You have people out there who are fully functioning humans, yet they seem to think that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are just as real as George Bush and Brad Pitt.

And again, you have people out there are fully functioning humans, and they can have a logical conversation with you with no sense of weirdness, yet they see people who aren't there.

There are many types of brain afflictions. With these conspiracy theorists, their "bullshit detector" is totally broken.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I can't believe that these conspiracy theorists are that dense. Their perception of what's real and what's fake is just abysmal.

I can only attribute it to some sort of mental problem, because they'll seem like perfectly normal, smart people most of the time, but then they can't differentiate between what's plausible and what's completely bogus. To them, they're both valid possibilities.


You have people out there who are fully functioning humans, yet they can't seem to figure out the difference between living and nonliving things. They'll gladly have a conversation with you about particle physics, but then again they're just as eager to have that conversation with a telephone pole, and they'll think it's being rude because it's "ignoring" them when they try to talk to it.

You have people out there who are fully functioning humans, yet they seem to think that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are just as real as George Bush and Brad Pitt.

And again, you have people out there are fully functioning humans, and they can have a logical conversation with you with no sense of weirdness, yet they see people who aren't there.

There are many types of brain afflictions.

/Shrug

Norman Mineta destroys the bubble you live in.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1824136&enterthread=y

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: noto12ious

/Shrug

Norman Mineta destroys the bubble you live in.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1824136&enterthread=y

My bubble in the universe is called "Earth".

Welcome.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: noto12ious

/Shrug

Norman Mineta destroys the bubble you live in.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1824136&enterthread=y

My bubble in the universe is called "Earth".

Welcome.

You're all talk...but nothing factual

Interesting...more facts to destroy the bubble you live in:

The Bush administration made plans for war and for Iraq's oil before the 9/11 attacks, sparking a policy battle between neo-cons and Big Oil, BBC's Newsnight has revealed
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm

No wonder they lied about Weapons of Mass Deception.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: ElFenix
there were no precollapse explosions, and seismograph data backs that up.

what's going to be more reliable, a seismograph or a person in the most confusing and hectic day of their life?

http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html

The above image is a seismographical readout at the time of the attacks and collapse of the WTC. You can clearly see on the top line the small peaks of the planes impacts.

But here is where it gets interesting, check out those two really BIG spikes on the 3rd and 4th lines. Those spikes represent the collapse of the towers. Notice the shape of these spikes, the highest peak is actually at the beginning. A strange anomaly when you consider the nature of a collapse is more gradual than explosive, with the vibrations becoming more and more intense as each floor collapses onto the next.

But this isnt the case in the seismograph.

The Palisades seismic data recorded a 2.1 magnitude earthquake during the 10-second collapse of the South Tower at 9:59:04 and a 2.3 quake during the 8-second collapse of the North Tower at 10:28:31.

While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse. Not only that, but these two unexplained spikes are more than twenty times the amplitude of the other seismic waves associated with the collapses!

This seismic record shows that as the collapses began - a huge seismic spike marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the earth.

not only is the image broken, but the people who own that seismograph have said that the interpretation based on that image is completely wrong, because the scale used is far too large.
don't let the facts get in the way of your conspiracy, though

dont worry noto12ous has said that reporter X is part of CIA, reporty Y is the cousins brother of reportereX;s sisters husband and Reporty Z is the best friends roomate fo reporters X's girlfriend whose virginity he took in 1999. so they are all related to the conspiracy..

(im drunk, but thats the best typing i ahve)

LMAO at the doubters who still deny explosions. The 1993 Truck Bombing at WTC did not register on seismographs either. GG! Also, the Popular Mechanics article has conflicts of interests to the truth, as pointed out in this thread and other threads. Senior researcher , Benjamin Chertoff of the Popular Mechanics 911 debunking article is none other than first cousin of Michael Chertoff, secretary of the department of Homeland Security. Popular Mechanics also has heavy ties to the CIA, as already pointed out in numerous threads. Notice Popular Mechanics doesn't dare address the numerous pre collapse explosions or molten steel issue? Haha.

Huge pre collapse explosions did happen... that's not even up for debate. Too many reporters and witnesses on the ground coroborate that...many said those pre collapse explosions shook the ground Cameras and audio picked up those pre collapse explosions as well.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtcshake.mpg
12 seconds before WTC1 collapse, the tripod shakes, debris falls off the right side of the building

It corrobarotes with this:

911 Eyewitness
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911+eyewitness
Time frame 52:50 - 55:10, numerous explosions can be heard, and white smoke can be seen rising from the streets before WTC1 collapse

More corroboration of pre collapse explosions:
http://www.mypetgoat.tv/video/Bomb_Montage.WMV

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/vide...floor26th_firefighter_high_quality.wmv

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248
The first minute of this clip includes more eyewitness testimonies of huge explosions before the collapses

http://www.911proof.com/resources/innrodriguesisdnsept05snow.wmv
Explosion in the basement levels BEFORE the planes struck.


Again, LOL at the people in denial about precollapse explosions. :laugh:

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Ill use your debating technique, wheres your government report saying it didn't?

Government's Dr. Frank Gayle, Metals Expert: "Your gut reaction would be the jet fuel is what made the fire so very intense, a lot of people figured that's what melted the steel. Indeed it didn't, the steel did not melt."

So, what caused "rivers of molten steel" ?
It sure wasn't fires, as admitted by the government Where's your report Acanthus?

1. That isn't a link.
2. He said the jet fuel in the tower didnt melt the steel, which i have posted probably 5 dozen times now. Yet here we are again with you trolling and asking the exact same questions I have already answered.
3. At no point does it say in your one sentance and probably lopsided cherrypicked quote (thats why you wont link it) that the steel didnt melt from fire. That quote is clearly referring to the steel melting from the jet fuel while the towers were standing.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: noto12ious

/Shrug

Norman Mineta destroys the bubble you live in.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1824136&enterthread=y

My bubble in the universe is called "Earth".

Welcome.

You're all talk...but nothing factual

Interesting...more facts to destroy the bubble you live in:

The Bush administration made plans for war and for Iraq's oil before the 9/11 attacks, sparking a policy battle between neo-cons and Big Oil, BBC's Newsnight has revealed
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm

No wonder they lied about Weapons of Mass Deception.

This has absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, stay on subject.