8th Grader shot by Police in Texas

[xj0hnx]

So now you should wait until a criminal shoots someone before you can kill them, makes perfect sense

No, but the fact that the kid pulled the gun, then the cops were called, and by the time they got there not a single shot had been fired, you would think someone would think to themselves, "hmmm, this kid hasn't fired a single round, maybe the gun isn't even loaded, or maybe it's a pellet gun, or maybe he doesn't have the balls to pull the trigger". I just don't believe that trained professionals couldn't approach a kid in a school from some cover, and order him to drop the weapon.

 

[waggy]

High tension indeed, it must have been all the pools of blood and dead bodies the cops had to get through in order to reach the kid.

a child with a gun in a school is high tension. not just for the cops safety but all the kids in the school. I am sure every cop/teacher had visions of colombine in there heads.

Anytime you have a person with a gun its a high tension situation.

 

[bfdd]

another story said how the kid was a victim of bully's and brought the gun to scare them.

sad story all around. the kid died and the police that shot him have to live with the thought they killed him.

just a story to teach all the kids being bullied. settle that shit with your fists. how many parents would really give a shit if their kid was kicked out of school for trying to beat the shit of someone who is making a large majority of their day, and subsequently their relative life, hell? fuck what the State(any government) thinks.

 

[waggy]

No, but the fact that the kid pulled the gun, then the cops were called, and by the time they got there not a single shot had been fired, you would think someone would think to themselves, "hmmm, this kid hasn't fired a single round, maybe the gun isn't even loaded, or maybe it's a pellet gun, or maybe he doesn't have the balls to pull the trigger". I just don't believe that trained professionals couldn't approach a kid in a school from some cover, and order him to drop the weapon.

they did order him to drop the weapon. he refused.

i really don't get what is so hard to grasp. the kid had a gun and refused to drop it. while he hadn't shot anyone yet there was no way of knowing what he was going to do.

You are placing blame on the wrong person. The one who should have 100% of it is the person who had the gun and refused to drop it. While i suspect there were reasons he brought it (one story says to get back at a bully) that really does not change matters.

sad story though. i feel for the kids parents and the cop that had to shoot.

 

[waggy]

just a story to teach all the kids being bullied. settle that shit with your fists. how many parents would really give a shit if their kid was kicked out of school for trying to beat the shit of someone who is making a large majority of their day, and subsequently their relative life, hell? fuck what the State(any government) thinks.

i agree.

I have told my kids that you NEVER throw the first punch but make sure you throw the last.

I have also told them I will NEVER punish them for standing up for themselves, family or friends.

I have also told them they need to stand up to bullies. Sure they may get beat up but that is NOTHING compared to the hell they they will go through if they don't stand up to them. bullies hate it when people stand up to them and tend to leave them alone and find another target.

my son (5) has already had the school call us because he told a bully on the playground to go fuck a goat (err my fault. i told him once to say that).

lol

 

[Macamus Prime]

a child with a gun in a school is high tension. not just for the cops safety but all the kids in the school. I am sure every cop/teacher had visions of colombine in there heads.

Anytime you have a person with a gun its a high tension situation.

,... and all training, reason, logic and attempts to defuse the situation go out the window.

At the end of the day, it's the cop's call, action and life on the line. Not mine. So, they did what they had to do.

It's just my personal opinion that some attempt to end this non-lethally would have been best. Especially since no life was lost to begin with.

And, some of you, it seems, have gone through a few rounds of jerking off to this story. Stating how you are happy this kid won't be around any longer. I don't know what is more disturbing;
1) being OK with an armed officer who does not exercise ending situations like this in a non-lethal manner as best as possible.

or

2) praising the death of someone who is clearly troubled.

Stay classy gentlemen.

 

[bfdd]

i agree.

I have told my kids that you NEVER throw the first punch but make sure you throw the last.

I have also told them I will NEVER punish them for standing up for themselves, family or friends.

I have also told them they need to stand up to bullies. Sure they may get beat up but that is NOTHING compared to the hell they they will go through if they don't stand up to them. bullies hate it when people stand up to them and tend to leave them alone and find another target.

my son (5) has already had the school call us because he told a bully on the playground to go fuck a goat (err my fault. i told him once to say that).

lol

I disagree with never throwing the first punch. Should never get past them saying they want to get down. Once they do, it's on.

 

[waggy]

,... and all training, reason, logic and attempts to defuse the situation go out the window.

At the end of the day, it's the cop's call, action and life on the line. Not mine. So, they did what they had to do.

It's just my personal opinion that some attempt to end this non-lethally would have been best. Especially since no life was lost to begin with.

And, some of you, it seems, have gone through a few rounds of jerking off to this story. Stating how you are happy this kid won't be around any longer. I don't know what is more disturbing;
1) being OK with an armed officer who does not exercise ending situations like this in a non-lethal manner as best as possible.

or

2) praising the death of someone who is clearly troubled.

Stay classy gentlemen.

since you quote me on that. where have i said its good that the young man was shot?

I said i do not blame the cop and all blame needs to be on the kid that brought the gun.

I have also said they need to look at WHY the kid brought it. Another article said the kid was a victim of bullies. the school needs to deal with that.

i have also said its a sad story for the kid, hsi family and the cop that shot him. I am not happy the kid died but i won't blame the cop and feel he did what he had to. could it been handeled diffrent? sure if the cops knew it was a pellet gun they could have walked up to him and took it.

but considering they didn't know and had to protect the other kids they did what was right.

 

[corwin]

No, but the fact that the kid pulled the gun, then the cops were called, and by the time they got there not a single shot had been fired, you would think someone would think to themselves, "hmmm, this kid hasn't fired a single round, maybe the gun isn't even loaded, or maybe it's a pellet gun, or maybe he doesn't have the balls to pull the trigger". I just don't believe that trained professionals couldn't approach a kid in a school from some cover, and order him to drop the weapon.

When protecting others there's littleroom for chance, if they had waited and it was a real gun and he shot someone before they shot him there would have been outrage at them waiting so long...and really they should have used cover and ordered him to drop it? THey did order him to drop it and he wouldn't, whether they were behind cover or not if someone is told to drop it and they won't how long do you really think they should wait, until they do shoot someone? Taking chances with other peoples lives is not the right thing to do...it was fully justified

 

[woolfe9999]

I disagree with never throwing the first punch. Should never get past them saying they want to get down. Once they do, it's on.

You gotta love internet tough guy talk. It's so quaint.

- wolf

 

[woolfe9999]

When protecting others there's littleroom for chance, if they had waited and it was a real gun and he shot someone before they shot him there would have been outrage at them waiting so long...and really they should have used cover and ordered him to drop it? THey did order him to drop it and he wouldn't, whether they were behind cover or not if someone is told to drop it and they won't how long do you really think they should wait, until they do shoot someone? Taking chances with other peoples lives is not the right thing to do...it was fully justified

Yeah pretty much this. You have to give the cops some latitude in a situation like this. It's different in the moment than it seems when you try to dissect it in hindsight.

Sad story, though.

 

[irishScott]

,... and all training, reason, logic and attempts to defuse the situation go out the window.

At the end of the day, it's the cop's call, action and life on the line. Not mine. So, they did what they had to do.

It's just my personal opinion that some attempt to end this non-lethally would have been best. Especially since no life was lost to begin with.

And, some of you, it seems, have gone through a few rounds of jerking off to this story. Stating how you are happy this kid won't be around any longer. I don't know what is more disturbing;
1) being OK with an armed officer who does not exercise ending situations like this in a non-lethal manner as best as possible.

or

2) praising the death of someone who is clearly troubled.

Stay classy gentlemen.

Believe it or not, real life isn't a crime drama where every climax involved appealing to the criminal's emotions. From what I've read the cops had the kid at gunpoint. The kid then raised his gun and pointed it at the cops. Generally this is known as "aiming" and is a precursor to "firing", the latter usually following the former in rapid succession. The cops did what they should have. It's great to think there might have been another way out but sometimes there just isn't.

 

[peonyu]

Sucks the kid died. But at the same time you have to put yourself in the Cops shoes. They didn't know it was a BB gun - all they knew is some 14 year old kid was pointing what looked like a real gun at their faces. Life or death situation to them there, and they did what they were trained to do...Shoot.

And as far as BB guns go. They are not a Magnum of course but it can take your eyeball out, or even [rarely] kill you by going through your eye and into your brain. A BB gun is still a weapon, just a weak[er] one.

 

[bfdd]

You gotta love internet tough guy talk. It's so quaint.

- wolf

please wolf. if someone comes up to you talking shit and wants to fight, you're going to wait for them to hit you? i don't know about you but i don't like getting sucker punched and i don't like losing fights, so i'm going to hit them and keep hitting them well before they raise their fists to me.

i'm talking about guys who get heated and up in your face about some little non-sense who'll shove or say some stupid shit. drunk fucks at a bar or bullies for example.

 

[woolfe9999]

please wolf. if someone comes up to you talking shit and wants to fight, you're going to wait for them to hit you? i don't know about you but i don't like getting sucker punched and i don't like losing fights, so i'm going to hit them and keep hitting them well before they raise their fists to me.

i'm talking about guys who get heated and up in your face about some little non-sense who'll shove or say some stupid shit. drunk fucks at a bar or bullies for example.

Never been in a fight in my life. True story. I avoided them in school and was called a pussy for it. Also true story. Unless you were raised in a tough area/inner city etc., there isn't much reason to have been involved in many physical altercations. Fighting is 100% idiotic if it is at all avoidable.

- wolf

 

[waggy]

Never been in a fight in my life. True story. I avoided them in school and was called a pussy for it. Also true story. Unless you were raised in a tough area/inner city etc., there isn't much reason to have been involved in many physical altercations. Fighting is 100% idiotic if it is at all avoidable.

- wolf

i agree.

trouble is that is not always possible. with a bully you can't walk away or hide. it just gets 100 times worse.

the only real way to stop it is to stand up to them.

i don't want my kids to fight. But i also don't want them tormented by a bully.

 

[woolfe9999]

i agree.

trouble is that is not always possible. with a bully you can't walk away or hide. it just gets 100 times worse.

the only real way to stop it is to stand up to them.

i don't want my kids to fight. But i also don't want them tormented by a bully.

Yeah I was bullied in school a little bit, middle school gym class. I probably could have shut it down by beating on someone, maybe getting my ass kicked. I didn't, and I seem to have gotten past those years just fine. I won't deny that there are cases where the bullying is severe/dangerous enough that throwing a punch is the most rational alternative. However, I think that option should be considered a last resort, not a first resort. There is a lot of machismo that feeds into these kinds of discussions, whether people admit it or not.

- wolf

 

[bfdd]

Never been in a fight in my life. True story. I avoided them in school and was called a pussy for it. Also true story. Unless you were raised in a tough area/inner city etc., there isn't much reason to have been involved in many physical altercations. Fighting is 100% idiotic if it is at all avoidable.

- wolf

for the most part it is avoidable, but not always. also, if they didn't want physical action why did they make physical threats? i live my life by the golden rule for the most part, but the golden rule works both ways.

 

[waggy]

Yeah I was bullied in school a little bit, middle school gym class. I probably could have shut it down by beating on someone, maybe getting my ass kicked. I didn't, and I seem to have gotten past those years just fine. I won't deny that there are cases where the bullying is severe/dangerous enough that throwing a punch is the most rational alternative. However, I think that option should be considered a last resort, not a first resort. There is a lot of machismo that feeds into these kinds of discussions, whether people admit it or not.

- wolf

I was bullied in school too. i found the only way to end it was to stand up for myself (i was 5ft 3 and maybe 110 as a jr) win or lose a bully didn't want to go in a second fight.

should it be a last resort? yes. but i won't have my kids be tortured either. Also to say that ". Fighting is 100% idiotic if it is at all avoidable." is idiotic too.

A child that is a victim of bully and the school not doing anything (wich happens far more then people think) needs to do something. walking away just makes it worse.

 

[Macamus Prime]

since you quote me on that. where have i said its good that the young man was shot?

I said i do not blame the cop and all blame needs to be on the kid that brought the gun.

I have also said they need to look at WHY the kid brought it. Another article said the kid was a victim of bullies. the school needs to deal with that.

i have also said its a sad story for the kid, hsi family and the cop that shot him. I am not happy the kid died but i won't blame the cop and feel he did what he had to. could it been handeled diffrent? sure if the cops knew it was a pellet gun they could have walked up to him and took it.

but considering they didn't know and had to protect the other kids they did what was right.

I didn't say you, I said;

..., some of you,...

These boards have shown a disturbing amount of praise towards death and harming of human life.

 

[sm625]

Those police clearly need a 6 figure pension because a 5 figure pension is just not enough.

 

[JS80]

,... CUZ THIS HERE IS TEXAS!!! Yeeeeeeeeeeehhhaaaaaaawwwwww!!!

lol so cops outside of Texas are trained to shoot to wound? Or better yet, shoot the gun out of his hand! haha loliberals

 

[woolfe9999]

for the most part it is avoidable, but not always. also, if they didn't want physical action why did they make physical threats? i live my life by the golden rule for the most part, but the golden rule works both ways.

I don't really care why they took physical action. They can be penalized for that in ways other than me responding in kind. I will only respond in kind if it is necessary to protect my well being. Violence IMO is not a principled response to violence. Look at the Israeli-Arab dispute that goes back for decades. When will that cycle ever be broken? Violence is for self-defense, not to prove that we're tougher than the other guy.

 

[Joepublic2]

Violence IMO is not a principled response to violence. Look at the Israeli-Arab dispute that goes back for decades. When will that cycle ever be broken?

Probably right around the time that their societies are internally corroded by hatred to the point that they start lobbing nukes at each other (Isreal hasn't used their nukes yet but they've had the upper hand since the creation of their state due to being better objectively better fighters than their arab neighbors and having a rich and powerful friend in the US).

 

[woolfe9999]

I was bullied in school too. i found the only way to end it was to stand up for myself (i was 5ft 3 and maybe 110 as a jr) win or lose a bully didn't want to go in a second fight.

should it be a last resort? yes. but i won't have my kids be tortured either. Also to say that ". Fighting is 100% idiotic if it is at all avoidable." is idiotic too.

A child that is a victim of bully and the school not doing anything (wich happens far more then people think) needs to do something. walking away just makes it worse.

The key qualifier to what I said is "if it is at all avoidable." Sure, if you are physically (not verbally) threatened, AND the school won't do anything about it, then likely the kid has no choice. However, I think many of the comments I hear about bullying suggest that violence is the first resort, the implication being that you're a pussy if you choose any other alternative. Well guess what, that's what the bullies in 7th grade gym class said too. Yet we aren't 11 year old boys any more so what is our excuse? Our need to wave our epeen does not qualify.