8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

16 Series is 5 years old at this point.

Forced obsolescence is forced. Worst part is it'll work. They have done it, they have an Apple style cult.

Any self respecting GTX owner would buy Intel or AMD next time - but the power of the green kool aid could not be undone. They have gotten the 🖕from Nv on upscaling and frame generation, now they can add Nvidia sponsored games to the list? The devoted must buy a new RTX card or be ex communicated. 👻

 

[SolidQ]

Hub Voters about 8gb price

 

[maddie]

Hub Voters about 8gb price

We do so lie to ourselves.

 

[jpiniero]

Forced obsolescence is forced. Worst part is it'll work. They have done it, they have an Apple style cult.

The consoles have it, that's why. I remember when people complained about a console port being AVX only long after the PS4/XBO had been released.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The consoles have it, that's why. I remember when people complained about a console port being AVX only long after the PS4/XBO had been released.

False equivalence.

 

[marees]

Hub Voters about 8gb price

Only b580 available within that max budget ($250) with > 8gb

The 3060, 6750 xt & 6800 will soon go out of stock

The 7700xt has occasionally sold for $350

So from AMD side you need atleast $350
As of today from Nvidia side atleast $450

 

[jpiniero]

False equivalence.

Huh? Presumably that's what happened... they set the bare minimum to be the Series S.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Ouch, it's not just 8GB. Now 10GB isn't enough either. 12GB RX 6700 XT beating the RTX 3080 by nearly 90% with RT on in a game I want to play. Very happy I went AMD.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1864829722221514798

 

[marees]

Ouch, it's not just 8GB. Now 10GB isn't enough either. 12GB RX 6700 XT beating the RTX 3080 by nearly 90% with RT on in a game I want to play. Very happy I went AMD.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1864829722221514798

Only 1080p medium for 8gb cards

https://twitter.com/x/status/1864830010017935422

 

[poke01]

Ouch, it's not just 8GB. Now 10GB isn't enough either. 12GB RX 6700 XT beating the RTX 3080 by nearly 90% with RT on in a game I want to play. Very happy I went AMD.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1864829722221514798

By the looks of it in 2 years 12 GB won’t be enough and then in 4 years 16GB won’t be enough. PS6 generation will probably will 24GB VRAM.

Perfectly good GPUs wasted by low VRAM.

 

[poke01]

Only 1080p medium for 8gb cards

the fact the 80 class GPU can only do that in what 4 years is pathetic

 

[SteveGrabowski]

By the looks of it in 2 years 12 GB won’t be enough and then in 4 years 16GB won’t be enough. PS6 generation will probably will 24GB VRAM.

Perfectly good GPUs wasted by low VRAM.

Thankfully my 6700 XT looks like it was given the correct amount of VRAM. Still aging pretty decently nearly four years later. I figure I'm going to have to ride it into the ground before finding another card worth buying with the way Trump's tariffs are going to skullf--k gamers.

 

[blckgrffn]

By the looks of it in 2 years 12 GB won’t be enough and then in 4 years 16GB won’t be enough. PS6 generation will probably will 24GB VRAM.

Perfectly good GPUs wasted by low VRAM.

10 was always weird, and 20 is weird now. 10GB saving grace was likely the 10GB fast pool on the Series X but since Xbox games have to support the series S, I guess they might just tune for that and call it a day.

Just saying if there isn’t a big enough install base, no one will tune a profile to it. 8, 12, 16. Those must be the targets. And likely a “low” that’s a catch all for below that. 12 should last for a lot longer due to the massive and still growing install base.

 

[SolidQ]

By the looks of it in 2 years 12 GB won’t be enough and then in 4 years 16GB won’t be enough. PS6 generation will probably will 24GB VRAM.

Same was with PS4. Console have 8GB, on PC you need 16 RAM and 8 Vram. If PS6 will have 32 GB, you need 32VRAM, and 64GB ram

 

[Tup3x]

By the looks of it in 2 years 12 GB won’t be enough and then in 4 years 16GB won’t be enough. PS6 generation will probably will 24GB VRAM.

Perfectly good GPUs wasted by low VRAM.

You know, for this reason beefy APU with 64GB would be rather interesting. You'd never have VRAM issues. High end cards should be 24GB minimum because 16GB cards will have issues if next gen consoles have 24-32 GB of (shared) RAM. Even in that case maxed out PC settings might hit the 24GB limit.

 

[igor_kavinski]

If PS6 will have 32 GB, you need 32VRAM, and 64GB ram

48GB RAM would be enough since 4 to 7 GB could be used for OS tasks so even 24 GB VRAM cards should do fine with PS6 ports. The lesser VRAM ones would get bogged down by the constant asset loading between system RAM and VRAM.

 

[igor_kavinski]

You know, for this reason beefy APU with 64GB would be rather interesting.

The world will be so spoiled if Strix Halo in some form becomes the heart of nextgen consoles

 

[MrTeal]

Ouch, it's not just 8GB. Now 10GB isn't enough either. 12GB RX 6700 XT beating the RTX 3080 by nearly 90% with RT on in a game I want to play. Very happy I went AMD.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1864829722221514798

Sad 3080 noises.

I wondered at the time I sold my last 6800 XT if I should have kept that rather than the 3080, but running custom loop and not wanting to buy another block really tilted the choice.

 

[Mopetar]

The consoles are essentially already using something akin to Strix Halo. Both Sony and Microsoft have APUs that dedicate a lot of space to the GPU.

The console manufacturers could include more memory in their systems, but to keep costs down they're always going to have less than may otherwise be ideal.

I wonder more if they'll consider trying to implement v-cache in some form, especially if the newer techniques to use it are less expensive or more available. Having a fat SLC under a 300 mm^2 APU would alleviate a lot of pressure on the memory bus and save on having to use more expensive memory types to get the desired performance.

Having 32 GB of memory doesn't do much if you have to squeeze it through a slow and narrow bus.

 

[blckgrffn]

Sad 3080 noises.

I wondered at the time I sold my last 6800 XT if I should have kept that rather than the 3080, but running custom loop and not wanting to buy another block really tilted the choice.

Very understandable.

Is there a 3080 12GB or 3080 Ti you could sneak in there with minimal effort? Maybe worth it to squeeze a couple more years out of the loop.

 

[jpiniero]

The consoles are essentially already using something akin to Strix Halo. Both Sony and Microsoft have APUs that dedicate a lot of space to the GPU.

They are really like a dGPU with CPU cores bolted on.

 

[blckgrffn]

The consoles are essentially already using something akin to Strix Halo. Both Sony and Microsoft have APUs that dedicate a lot of space to the GPU.

The console manufacturers could include more memory in their systems, but to keep costs down they're always going to have less than may otherwise be ideal.

I wonder more if they'll consider trying to implement v-cache in some form, especially if the newer techniques to use it are less expensive or more available. Having a fat SLC under a 300 mm^2 APU would alleviate a lot of pressure on the memory bus and save on having to use more expensive memory types to get the desired performance.

Having 32 GB of memory doesn't do much if you have to squeeze it through a slow and narrow bus.

I guess we'll see what happens, but I expect a 2x increase in the amount of memory in the next consoles, up to 32GB. This will allow them to allocate ~24GB to the GPU and honestly, the memory amount seems to me the "easiest" lever they have left. CPU performance headroom is going to be somewhat limited without a 3D cache setup and even then, the road to 100% uptick in CPU performance without going wider (ie, 10-12 cores) seems murky to me. On the GPU side, I think its even grimmer if the PS5 Pro is the new benchmark. Another 50% increase is going to be quickly swallowed by software and another small step towards true 4k rendering.

This is even at PS5 Pro power consumption levels, which I am not sure is a given. A ~32MB infinity cache would make a huge difference to bandwidth and they can probably use some relatively high density memory and it might be a wash on the cost vs the current memory in the PS5 given the volume in which Sony can purchase.

The easiest way for the next gen consoles to differentiate themselves is through more memory for more higher res textures. 24GB would be a relatively small jump.

My $.02.

 

[MrTeal]

Very understandable.

Is there a 3080 12GB or 3080 Ti you could sneak in there with minimal effort? Maybe worth it to squeeze a couple more years out of the loop.

3080 Ti no, but 3080 12GB or 3090 yes as long as it's a FTW3. I've been keeping an eye out, but the 12GB never really sold well and people at least in my smallish market still seem to want CAD1000/US$700 for their used 3090.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Sad 3080 noises.

I wondered at the time I sold my last 6800 XT if I should have kept that rather than the 3080, but running custom loop and not wanting to buy another block really tilted the choice.

From the PCMR hot list just now -

 

[Timorous]

From the PCMR hot list just now -

Bbbut dlss