8800GTX to be 30% faster than ATI's X1950XTX. GTS to be about equal to it.

[Keysplayr]

According to PCWell, the 8800GTX is about 30% faster than a X1950XTX, and the GTS is about on par with it. They say this was tested under DX9 only, and that driver revisions may add performance in the coming months.

PCWell

 

[crazydingo]

Why are they comparing it to X1950XTX? Shouldnt they compare it to 7950GX2? :laugh:

 

[SpeedZealot369]

I find that hard to believe....

 

[Keysplayr]

Well, I don't know why they didn't, but we can just look at GX2 benches against a X1950XTX and see what those percentages are and compare.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
I find that hard to believe....

Why?

 

[hardwareking]

The 7950 gx2 is faster than the x1950 xtx by quiet a bit.(not sure of % terms).So we might see 7950 gx2 price drops once the 8800 gtx arrives.
And if ATI drops the x1950 xtx price enough they'll have a good temporary answer to the 8800 gts.

 

[Nightmare225]

So, about 20% faster than a 7950GX2? Not too shabby, considering it's really an SLI Solution...

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: hardwareking
The 7950 gx2 is faster than the x1950 xtx by quiet a bit.(not sure of % terms).So we might see 7950 gx2 price drops once the 8800 gtx arrives.
And if ATI drops the x1950 xtx price enough they'll have a good temporary answer to the 8800 gts.

And the only benefit the 8800 will have then is DX10 support. I am going to have a good chuckle about all the folks who shell out money for this thing before the R600 is out (not because the R600 will likely be a faster/better part, but because there really isn't any point to shell out $600 for a video card at this point).

 

[GTaudiophile]

I can read German, so I will try to pick out some highlights:

The PCB length is 260mm.
With a twin-cooling-pipe solution it weighs 800g.
Under full load, the card needs 200 watts. NVIDA recommends at least a 450 watt PS. (400 for the GTS.)
700 million transistors.
NVDA is proclaiming to have the first graphics card with unified shaders. (WTF?)
128 such shaders or co-called Streaming Processors (GTX model).
The core clock is 575Mhz but NVDA has some sort of new technology called Gigathread Technology. Seems like a data package management system to the Streaming Processors. The clock of this subsystem is 1350Mhz.
Inside the chip is yet another chip (dual core?) called the Quantum Effects Physics Processor but details on it are scarce.
128-Bit HDR with 16x FSAA is available.
The GTX will have a 384-Bit memory bus with 768MB of GDDR3 RAM running at 900Mhz (1800Mhz) with a throughput of 86.4GB/s.
The GTS model will have a 340-bit memory bus running at 800Mhz with 640MB of GDD3 RAM with a throughput of 64GB/s.
GeForce 8 supports DX10 and OpenGL 2.0 and is SLI-ready.
It has two dual-link-DVI-I ports with video in/out port.
It also has HDCP support (on the reference card).
The card should be available in quantity on launch day, November 8, 2006.
The GTX will cost 650 Euro ($820.00) and the GTS 500 Euro ($630.00).


What else?

The chips is built on the .90mu process.
GTX will have 128 Streaming Processors. The GTS will have 96.
The processors on the GTX will run at 1350Mhz; 1200Mhz on the GTS.
Theoretical pixel fillrate for the GTX is 36800 MPix/s. 24000 MPix/s on the GTS.

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Laut unserer Informationsquellen, die den Geforce 8 seit zwei Tagen testen können, ist der Geforce 8800 GTX ungefähr 30 Prozent schneller als ATIs aktuelles Flaggschiff Radeon X1950 XTX . Die 3D-Leistung des Geforce 8800 GTS wiederum soll auf dem Niveau des ATI-Topmodells liegen. Es ist allerdings davon auszugehen, dass die 3D-Leistung noch steigen wird, wenn Nvidia in den nächsten Monaten den Forceware-Treiber für die Geforce-8-Familie optimiert.

Zudem beziehen sich die Prozentangaben auf 3D-Anwendungen unter Direct X 9. Noch mehr 3D-Leistung dürfte die Geforce-8-Familie bei Spielen bieten, die Direct X 10 unterstützen. Eins der ersten Direct-X-10-Spiele ist beispielsweise der zum Jahreswechsel angekündigte Ego-Shooter Crysis.

Loose translation:

According to our information source, which was able to test the GeForce 8 for two days, the GeForce 8800 GTX is 30% faster than ATI's flagship product the Radeon X1950 XTX. The 3D-power of the GeForce 8800 GTS should be about the same level as ATI's top model. It of course remains to be seen that the 3D performance will increase as nVidia releases updated, GeForce 8-optimized drivers in the coming months.

These performance numbers are when comparing the cards in DirectX 9. The GeForce 8 family will have even more potential in DirectX 10 games. For example, one of the first DirectX 10 games being Crysis, to be released soon after the New Year. (Crytek is a German company if you recall.)

 

[videopho]

Even with price gouging and cut-throat mark-up, these cards will be gone out of the shelves quicker than you and I can blink the eye. Remember the 7900GTX launch?
Look for at least 4-6 weeks after the hard launch for supply availablities and price stability.
I look forward to my 7900GTO step-up with eVGA and expect a long wait which reminds a 2 months waits for me from the step-up of 7800GTX to my current 7900GTX back in March of thiis year.

 

[GTaudiophile]

So, it is still confusing but becoming more clear.

The memory system picture seems complete. GTX: 384-Bit memory bus with 768MB of GDDR3 RAM running at 900Mhz. GTS: 340-Bit memory bus with 640MB of GDDR3 RAM running at 800Mhz.

The core is still the big question.

It's built on .90mu process.
700 million total transistors.
GTX core clock: 575Mhz. GTS core clock: 500 Mhz.
GTX Unified Shaders/Streaming processors: 128. GTS Unified Shaders/Streaming processors: 96.
Sounds like these processors are fed at 1350Mhz (1200Mhz on the GTS) by the Quantum Effects Physics Processor.
Quantum Effects Physics Core + Shaders = GPU?
Fillrate is 36800MPix/s on the GTX and 24000MPix/s on the GTS.

Either way, $600+ for a new graphics card is too rich for my blood. Let's see what ATI brings to the table.

 

[Pabster]

Seems right. 30% over 7950GX2 would put the 8800GTX around 12K in 3DMark06 which has been speculated.

200 watts sounds good too...a lot better than the 300 that was speculated

 

[russki]

I'll believe it when the part comes out and there's a review on AT.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Seems wrong, 30% is awful... Unless it does some magic at dx10, its the worse performance increase for a next gen card in years... they must have used really early drivers.... AT LEAST 50% would be realistic... 30% is just not worth it

 

[Jumpem]

Very dissapointing. For $650 I would expect closer to twice the performance of an x1950xtx.

 

[Cooler]

To even make 8800GTX a good buy it should be faster then 2 7900 GTX in SLI. It does not look that way so basically for close to the same price you can get the same profromance today. Since ATI 1950XTX is close to 7950GX2 I would expect that ATI will obtain the speed crown especially if it uses 1Gig GDDR4 and 512 bit memory controller

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Jumpem
Very dissapointing. For $650 I would expect closer to twice the performance of an x1950xtx.

Yep, nothing less!

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Why are they comparing it to X1950XTX? Shouldnt they compare it to 7950GX2? :laugh:

well the x1950 is the best single chip GPU money can buy. i know the GX2 is a single card, but its 2 chips

30% faster doesnt really float my boat.... so i hope its not true.

though it could mean that DX10 support doesnt allow DX9 to progress much. but we havent got any DX10 stuff to bench or compare to

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: hardwareking
The 7950 gx2 is faster than the x1950 xtx by quiet a bit.(not sure of % terms).So we might see 7950 gx2 price drops once the 8800 gtx arrives.
And if ATI drops the x1950 xtx price enough they'll have a good temporary answer to the 8800 gts.

And the only benefit the 8800 will have then is DX10 support. I am going to have a good chuckle about all the folks who shell out money for this thing before the R600 is out (not because the R600 will likely be a faster/better part, but because there really isn't any point to shell out $600 for a video card at this point).

i think its more a case of buying something.... where u really cant compare it to anything. sure there might be a few benches when it comes out, but there wont be much DX10 to use it with and no R600 to compare it too.

 

[wanderer27]

$650 for only 30% ?

Looks like I'll definitely have no interest in this product.

Hopefully ATI can do something with R600. If they can address their Power/Heat/Noise issue in the next round it may be time to change teams.

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

3DMark may not tell us too much at this point. I'm much more interested in real games running high AA/AF and HDR. But if the performance in games is only on par/slightly faster than a X1950XT/7950GX2, then I'll just go with the X1900XT, which should be even cheaper in 3 weeks. 700 million+ transistors (nearly double the X1950XT) and only a 20% gain? Hmmm...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Loose translation:

According to our information source, which was able to test the GeForce 8 for two days, the GeForce 8800 GTX is 30% faster than ATI's flagship product the Radeon X1950 XTX. The 3D-power of the GeForce 8800 GTS should be about the same level as ATI's top model. It of course remains to be seen that the 3D performance will increase as nVidia releases updated, GeForce 8-optimized drivers in the coming months.

These performance numbers are when comparing the cards in DirectX 9.

NOW i find it particularly UNderwhelming . . .
:Q

who cares about "upcoming" DX10 performance . . . .

700m transistors and only 30% faster than the xtx?!?!

it must be wrong
:Q

*thud*


EDIT: recovers consciousness

Loose translation: it will be an overpriced dud with shades of nv30 . . .
. . . bring on the dancing horses

finally . . . i still don't believe it
:shocked:

 

[schneiderguy]

wasnt the 7800gtx only around 30% faster than the x850xtpe?

 

[imported_Crusader]

30% sounds good to me.

VCAA + DX10/SM4 + 128bit HDR + Quantum Physics Engine + faster than any other card ever released? = teh win.

Now if the extra ram on top of the base 512 is for performance-free IQ options.. I'd say I'm definitely more excited about this launch than any time in the past, from my Diamond Monster 3D till today!
I do care about upcoming DX10 performance because I'm tired of doing constant card swaps, and I'm not swapping out again for another DX9 card. If I pull out my current card, nothing less than a DX10 card is taking its place.
Tired of dinking around with slow and ancient GF7/X1900 era stuff.

But we arent far from the launch party on the 8th.. I'll wait for some data that can be confirmed.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
wasnt the 7800gtx only around 30% faster than the x850xtpe?

when the 7800gtx was beating the xtpe, ATi didn't have the x1800xt ready for release in a few months - like now

r600 doesn't have to be 'much' nor aim high to increase performance by 35% [for example]

i still think the figures must be underestimated

nvidia fans HAVE to be disappointed . . . they were expecting the g80 to best sli'd 7900gtxes by double [or something like that]