8800GTS 640 enough for 1920x1200?

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dreddfunk

they are "equivalent" resolutions - the only difference is WS vs a regular screen

apoppin - I'm not sure what you mean by 'equivalent'. The 19x12 display has 384,000 more pixels to push. The 1600x1200 display is closer in pixel count to the 1680x1050 (only a 156,000 difference in pixels).

IF someone uses and likes AA at 16x12 ... then he will ALSO like AA at 19x12

i am saying IF 4xAA is usable at 16x12 OR 19x12 ... i LIKE it ... i can see the difference

The only thing that confuses me about what you're trying to say is if you're asserting that all people who like AA at 16x12 must also like AA at 19x12, or if you're speaking entirely for yourself. The first statement leads me to believe the former. The second statement leads me to believe the latter.

Sure, I'm personally dubious that someone who likes AA at 16x12 wouldn't like AA at 19x12 (especially since the pixel density of the displays actually decrease) but I'm open to the possibility that it could happen.

Certainly, I think everyone is cool with your personal preferences and, given them, the 640MB GTS is clearly insufficient for your needs at 19x12, but others may disagree (and have), based on differences in subjective 'needs'.

I think the general consensus on the GTS is that it *could* be sufficient--right now--depending upon your requirements for quality. It is not right for you, however, and I'm sure we all respect that.

Cheers.

First, what IS the difference in AA applied to a 19x12 vs a 16x12 Screen?
-the way they "look" - not the performance hit difference
--what is the difference between a 19x12 LCD and a 16x12 LCD other then the added real estate of the WS monitor?

they don't "look" different EXCEPT one is a WS ... if ANYONE is 'used to' a 16x12 with AA then he will also want to use AA on a 19x12.


and NO - 8800GTS 640 is NOT sufficient for 19x12 with all in-game setting maxed and with 4xAA/16xAF ... not unless you want to "settle" for less then 30 FPS
--this is not my "opinion" ... check the benchmarks for yourself.

 

[dreddfunk]

apoppin - I'll respond in detail to your questions via PM if you wish, they don't really belong here. The cliff notes are that I don't think that we disagree much. The GTS is not sufficient for your needs at 19x12, nor will it be sufficient for gamers who demand better than 30fps with 4xAA/16xAF at that resolution (but please notice that those two definitions of sufficient are one in the same).

I am simply pointing out that not all gamers have those precise requirements (some of whom have even posted here, and they are happy with their GTS cards with reduced AA/AF levels at 19x12).

The "opinion" part is what one personally considers 'sufficient', not what the card will actually do. We accept what the card will actually do as fact (at least until the next driver revision), but what is sufficient is an opinion. (As an aside, this is the crux of any disagreement with HardOCP's benchmarking style: 'acceptable' performance is an opinion, not a fact.)

Again, as gamers we are always correlating actual (factual) performance numbers against a variable (subjective) set of judgment criteria. The subjectivity is not in the performance but in our own criteria.

I'm simply saying that let's leave room open for others to set a different subjective set of criteria by which to judge GTS performance at 19x12. We cannot universally say that the GTS is either sufficient or insufficient at that resolution, because 'sufficiency' itself is subjective.


Let's move on and try to help Thilan figure out if the GTS will meet his needs.


Thilan - to adequately answer the question of whether or not the GTS will meet your needs really requires more information about what you consider to be sufficient performance at 19x12. Keys and apoppin have done some good benchmarking. So the actual performance of the card really isn't much in dispute.

What would you consider to be acceptable performance, and in what games?

Cheers.

 

[postmortemIA]

AA was useful on resolutions like 1280x1024 with screens of low pixel density (19" LCDs)
Now, running 1920x1200 on screen of higher density comes near to 1280x1024 with 2xAA.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dreddfunk
apoppin - I'll respond in detail to your questions via PM if you wish, they don't really belong here. The cliff notes are that I don't think that we disagree much. The GTS is not sufficient for your needs at 19x12, nor will it be sufficient for gamers who demand better than 30fps with 4xAA/16xAF at that resolution (but please notice that those two definitions of sufficient are one in the same).

I am simply pointing out that not all gamers have those precise requirements (some of whom have even posted here, and they are happy with their GTS cards with reduced AA/AF levels at 19x12).

The "opinion" part is what one personally considers 'sufficient', not what the card will actually do. We accept what the card will actually do as fact (at least until the next driver revision), but what is sufficient is an opinion. (As an aside, this is the crux of any disagreement with HardOCP's benchmarking style: 'acceptable' performance is an opinion, not a fact.)

Again, as gamers we are always correlating actual (factual) performance numbers against a variable (subjective) set of judgment criteria. The subjectivity is not in the performance but in our own criteria.

I'm simply saying that let's leave room open for others to set a different subjective set of criteria by which to judge GTS performance at 19x12. We cannot universally say that the GTS is either sufficient or insufficient at that resolution, because 'sufficiency' itself is subjective.


Let's move on and try to help Thilan figure out if the GTS will meet his needs.


Thilan - to adequately answer the question of whether or not the GTS will meet your needs really requires more information about what you consider to be sufficient performance at 19x12. Keys and apoppin have done some good benchmarking. So the actual performance of the card really isn't much in dispute.

What would you consider to be acceptable performance, and in what games?

Cheers.

look, dreddfunk ... our OP asked THIS:

I've just ordered the BenQ FP241VW monitor and I'd just like to know whether those of you that game at 1920x1200 with a 8800GTS find it adequate?

Do you have to turn down settings to get playable frames?

i gave MY opinion .. what "i" think .. and it appears that i have had to defend my opinion

i "qualified" my response to say "no - not at max in-game settings and with 4xAA/16AF above 30 FPS" ... and the benchmarks support my opinion

now if you want to settle for "less" ... then that would be someone elses opinion which i have no problem with whatsoever

 

[Keysplayr]

Thilan: Pay attention to Matt22's 2900XT arrived thread

He is testing 19x12 resolution with it in various games. You can probably use his numbers and expect the GTS640 to be equal or a smidge better (at the very least) to his 2900XT. If you find his numbers acceptable or not is up to you.

Keep in mind that he is using an Opteron 170@ 2.6GHz so he may be somewhat CPU limited. Compared to your 3.4GHz C2D.

 

[dreddfunk]

keys - good advice for Thilan. The scores will be different, but it should give him some idea of what to expect.

We should try to organize more benchmarking projects, for different cards, resolutions and CPU combinations. It could prove useful to have sticky threads at the top of video with forum-led benchmarks.

A lot of the "how will such and such card perform with such and such CPU at such and such resolution" could be pointed there.

 

[thilanliyan]

Thanks for the advice everyone. I got the monitor and am fairly pleased with the results: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2072966&enterthread=y
It's not bad at all running at that res in the games I have tried so far. Only thing that sucked was the "World in Conflict" beta. It looked like absolute crap but more than likely it's a game/driver issue. Shimmering, flickering, low res textures...just unpleasant.

I think I should be good for 4AA in most games so I'm happy about that.

 

[apoppin]

I think I should be good for 4AA in most games so I'm happy about that.

cool

Please give us an update in 'awhile' ... "Best in initial satisfaction" really doesn't mean that much to the rest of those considering what you have just got.

btw ... nice display!
[i am also following your other thread]

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: apoppin

I think I should be good for 4AA in most games so I'm happy about that.

cool

Please give us an update in 'awhile' ... "Best in initial satisfaction" really doesn't mean that much to the rest of those considering what you have just got.

btw ... nice display!
[i am also following your other thread]

Will do for sure. I gotta get my friend over with his Xbox360 to try it out also.

 

[dreddfunk]

I'm just horribly jealous... have fun with the new toys Thilan!

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: dreddfunk
I'm just horribly jealous... have fun with the new toys Thilan!

Hehe...and I'm feeling a bit guilty...no more spending for a while.