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8600gts powerful enought?

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electronicmaji

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I just build a new system its got 2 gbs of Corsair XMS Ram, A AMD 4200+ X2 , and a 8600 GTS as the main video card.

With all these big games like Crysis, Unreal Tournament 3, Far Cry 2, etc. Is an 8600 enought or should I return it to newegg and get a 8800 gts?
 
For one thing Intel Core2Duo is a much better price/performance buy, especially for budget buys.

As for Crysis, the developers said they managed to run Crysis on "high" (not full details) and "usually" there weren't major slowdowns on a top end Quad Core/8800GTX system. If you have an 8600GT with the system you are designing (which is basically what I have now), you can say hi to about 10fps in Crysis with medium detail at medium resolution)
 
It looks like you made the mistake of going for a newer budget card. The problem with the newer budget cards is that they're close the prices of the previous generation's more powerful cards. You probably would have been better off getting a more powerful DX 9 card for about the same amount of money, such as the Radeon x1950 Pro or the nVidia 7950 GT.

If you bought the card from a bricks 'n' mortar store, I suggest returning it, doing some research (such as the Tom's Hardware video card comparison charts), and then buying from Newegg.com. Otherwise, perhaps you could get decent money for on it on eBay from eBidiots. (If you have good feedback, it's amazing what some folks are willing to pay on eBay.)
 
Sorry but amd and intel are all about preferences. Amd chips on average are cheaper and I have had better experiences. Not to mention I will do everything I can to support AMD on the very principle. I brought the card from Newegg it cost 150 bucks. Thats all I had. I had to sell games, everything I held dear to me. I don't have a job. My family makes like 20 thousand dollars a year. So Its not easy for me to scrounge up 100 extra dollars. I had to sell my body to get this card alone. This card was actually a upgrade I was orgiinally gonna get a gt.
 
Originally posted by: electronicmaji
Sorry but amd and intel are all about preferences. Amd chips on average are cheaper and I have had better experiences. Not to mention I will do everything I can to support AMD on the very principle.
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Err why did you buy a Nvdia card rather than a AMD Radeon?

As your budget looks tight, would be very careful in selling and buying another card, its very hard to make anywhere near your money back on a used card plus add expenses such as postage etc on the both the old and new card often make the transaction painful.

Maybe just wait, till you saved a bit and as others have suggested go for an older top end card.
 
AMD and Intel are definitely about preferences. As in, do you prefer to have the best performing chip, or do you prefer to buy stuff on brand alone? Not sure what principle you go buy buying AMD, because you are definitely stuck in the past. AMD has nothing to compete with Intel at the high end, Intel has about 4-5 CPUs models that are all faster than AMD's top end. Not to mention Intel's lower models in this range are faster than AMD's fastest, while being roughly the same price. And I'm a guy whose owned (and still owns) AMD CPUs since AMD-K6, through Athlon, AthlonXP, Athlon 64, and X2 64. So I'm hardly historically biased here.

If your family makes 20,000 a year I think you need to help your parents with the bills instead of upgrading your PC.

Unless, you literally meant sell your body for this video card, then your either you are selling yourself too cheap, or it pays better than any job you can get.
 
I like amd processors but I have horrible experience with ATI drivers. The card I brought is DOA I got it on the 9th so I will send it back to newegg and I think I can get a refund althought I might have to wait for a proper exchange...I am not sure..
 
Originally posted by: Astrallite
AMD and Intel are definitely about preferences. As in, do you prefer to have the best performing chip, or do you prefer to buy stuff on brand alone? Not sure what principle you go buy buying AMD, because you are definitely stuck in the past. AMD has nothing to compete with Intel at the high end, Intel has about 4-5 CPUs models that are all faster than AMD's top end. Not to mention Intel's lower models in this range are faster than AMD's fastest, while being roughly the same price. And I'm a guy whose owned (and still owns) AMD CPUs since AMD-K6, through Athlon, AthlonXP, Athlon 64, and X2 64. So I'm hardly historically biased here.

If your family makes 20,000 a year I think you need to help your parents with the bills instead of upgrading your PC.

Unless, you literally meant sell your body for this video card, then your either you are selling yourself too cheap, or it pays better than any job you can get.
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Theres a difference in gaming cpus. Intel cpus are not as heavy performers for gaming as AMD's are and that has been my experience. Beyond the point the item has been brought and installed. I can't return a cpu im using to type this from.

They make a little over 25 thousand dollars a year. And I already do pay for most of my clothes, food, etc. I am in college.
 
Originally posted by: electronicmaji
Originally posted by: Astrallite
If your family makes 20,000 a year I think you need to help your parents with the bills instead of upgrading your PC.

Unless, you literally meant sell your body for this video card, then your either you are selling yourself too cheap, or it pays better than any job you can get.
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Theres a difference in gaming cpus. Intel cpus are not as heavy performers for gaming as AMD's are and that has been my experience. Beyond the point the item has been brought and installed. I can't return a cpu im using to type this from.

They make a little over 25 thousand dollars a year. And I already do pay for most of my clothes, food, etc. I am in college.
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1) Your experience with CPUs may be out of date.

2) Did someone just get a 5k pay-rise?
 
Originally posted by: electronicmaji
Originally posted by: Astrallite
AMD and Intel are definitely about preferences. As in, do you prefer to have the best performing chip, or do you prefer to buy stuff on brand alone? Not sure what principle you go buy buying AMD, because you are definitely stuck in the past. AMD has nothing to compete with Intel at the high end, Intel has about 4-5 CPUs models that are all faster than AMD's top end. Not to mention Intel's lower models in this range are faster than AMD's fastest, while being roughly the same price. And I'm a guy whose owned (and still owns) AMD CPUs since AMD-K6, through Athlon, AthlonXP, Athlon 64, and X2 64. So I'm hardly historically biased here.

If your family makes 20,000 a year I think you need to help your parents with the bills instead of upgrading your PC.

Unless, you literally meant sell your body for this video card, then your either you are selling yourself too cheap, or it pays better than any job you can get.
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Theres a difference in gaming cpus. Intel cpus are not as heavy performers for gaming as AMD's are and that has been my experience. Beyond the point the item has been brought and installed. I can't return a cpu im using to type this from.

They make a little over 25 thousand dollars a year. And I already do pay for most of my clothes, food, etc. I am in college.
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You should really get up to date on the latest Intel CPU's cause they kick freaking ass.
 
Originally posted by: betasub
Originally posted by: electronicmaji
Originally posted by: Astrallite
If your family makes 20,000 a year I think you need to help your parents with the bills instead of upgrading your PC.

Unless, you literally meant sell your body for this video card, then your either you are selling yourself too cheap, or it pays better than any job you can get.
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Theres a difference in gaming cpus. Intel cpus are not as heavy performers for gaming as AMD's are and that has been my experience. Beyond the point the item has been brought and installed. I can't return a cpu im using to type this from.

They make a little over 25 thousand dollars a year. And I already do pay for most of my clothes, food, etc. I am in college.
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1) Your experience with CPUs may be out of date.

2) Did someone just get a 5k pay-rise?
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I was speaking in generalizations...about that payrate sorry if it offended.


Now point me to a better cpu that I could get for 75 bucks then a amd x2 4200+ 2.1 ghz...
 
ARGH! another fanboi battle

luckily, ANAND just posted a new article on the low end chips, and it turns out that if you take overclocking out of the equation, the price/performance between the AMD and Intel chips are pretty much the same. So if the guy is happy with his X2 chip than the rest of you should let it be. But yeah, if you still believe AMD is still better at gaming, you are clearly behind on the times, or haven't been reading the ANAND reviews (which EVERYONE who frequents this forum should be required to do)
 
an 8600gts will probably play those games, but not at the greatest settings.

if you can still return the 8600gts and get an 8800gts it might be woth it for only $100 or so more.
 
Originally posted by: electronicmaji
I just build a new system its got 2 gbs of Corsair XMS Ram, A AMD 4200+ X2 , and a 8600 GTS as the main video card.

With all these big games like Crysis, Unreal Tournament 3, Far Cry 2, etc. Is an 8600 enought or should I return it to newegg and get a 8800 gts?
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I cannot believe nobody has asked what resolution you plan to run!?! This will make a dramatic impact on the percieved performance of that card. If you plan to run your games at 1280x1024 or less, you might be alright....and based on your budget, that's probably the case. I think you did just fine on your build, and I think you'll be happy with it in the long run.
 
I think 1024x768 is a safer bet if he's going with the GTS, but then again this seems like a low-mid budget build, so yeah doesn't look like this system is shooting to be any sort of performance powerhouse.
 
I'm looking to run at 1024 x 768 eventually a widescreen format but probably a small 19 inch or 20 inch budget lcd so probably nothing above 1280x1024
 
8600gts isn't all that bad. They compare to 1950pro but better image quality. Yeah it's a budget card. You can get these for $135.
 
Originally posted by: Azn
8600gts isn't all that bad. They compare to 1950pro but better image quality. Yeah it's a budget card. You can get these for $135.
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Are you high?

http://www23.tomshardware.com/...5&model2=854&chart=275

The X1950Pro walks away from the 8600GTS in almost everything, sometimes by a huge margin. The 8600GTS is on a stinking 128-bit bus, and that cripples it even when overclocked. The $100ish 1950GT even outpaces it, and the lead is HUGE when both are overclocked to the max.

The image quality thing is debatable as well, as the X1xx0 series had excellent image quality. It was the 7xx0 series that had some notable image problems (shimmering/etc).

Now the 8800s are superior to the 2900s, but the 8600/2600s are pretty much garbage for anything other than HTPC usage.
 
High is thinking that his *new* system will be able to handle newer games for more than a year, even at lower resolutions. He definitely won't be able to turn the detail up.

I have basically the same system he's building for and I had to run Bioshock at 1024x768 in order to get decent (25~fps) with full details on. Move up to 1280x1024 and it was basically unplayable.

I have full confidence that Bioshock is *nothing* compared with what's coming up in the horizon in terms of system requirements. Even if he switches to an 8800GTS it won't last long, especially seeing Crysis' system requirements.
 
Originally posted by: Astrallite
High is thinking that his *new* system will be able to handle newer games for more than a year, even at lower resolutions. He definitely won't be able to turn the detail up.

I have basically the same system he's building for and I had to run Bioshock at 1024x768 in order to get decent (25~fps) with full details on. Move up to 1280x1024 and it was basically unplayable.

I have full confidence that Bioshock is *nothing* compared with what's coming up in the horizon in terms of system requirements. Even if he switches to an 8800GTS it won't last long, especially seeing Crysis' system requirements.
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Sad but true. Have you thought of selling your card and getting an X1950GT or so? Should be basically a free upgrade, and someone with a use for the 8600 (HTPC) could use that card, and you'd be gaming on a much higher level (especially after overclocking to X1950XT range). You should see 60-70fps @ 1280 in Bioshock.
 
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