8500 equivelency

[SBGTF]

Current games I have but can not play because of video card:

Nascar Thunder (Requires 8500 or above)
Knights of the Old Republic (Requires 8500 or above)
MADDEN 2005 (requires 8500 or above)

Future games I'm buying

Pacific Fighters (WWII Combat Flight Similator)
Freedom Force verus the Third Riech

Was going to get Nascar 2005 but found 2004 for $5 in a bargin bin.

 

[BFG10K]

A 8500 is somewhere between a Ti500 and a Ti4200.

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
9600Pro.... no doubt. For an Nvidia solution i supposed a 5700LE or NU or something but the ATI card will beat it.

That 5200 isn't even faster than a Geforce 2 Ti. That 8500 will massacre it!!!

-Kevin

5200 is faster than a GF2. In fact its on par with 9000. 5200U is faster than 9000P when AA and AF is used. Maybe you are thinking of the 64bit OEM versions.

 

[Gamingphreek]

No a while back we ran benchmarks here in the forums. THe Geforce 2TI beat the sh!t out of the Geforce 4 mx's the 5200's the 9200(or 9100 or both cant remember), and was about on par with the 5600SE and the 9600SE.

That 9000Pro is equivelant of a Geforce 4TI which will crush all of thos cards. In fact IIRC the Radeon 9000Pro is just an 8500 with a couple of clockspeed increases and DX9 support.

-Kevin

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: hugobomber
thats expensive for a ti4200... ebay will find u ti4600 for $70-$80.

Yeah if you're willing to risk Ebay. Personally I'm not a fan of buying melted cards with no recourse.

 

[SithSolo1]

I think this would do well if you could find another $10 or so Gigabyte 9600 Pro from Mwave for $109

 

[cremefilled]

A 8500 is somewhere between a Ti500 and a Ti4200.

Yep, depending on the game. The new Catalyst drivers leave it pretty close (actually faster in some benchmarks) to the Ge4-ti4200.

 

[Goi]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
No a while back we ran benchmarks here in the forums. THe Geforce 2TI beat the sh!t out of the Geforce 4 mx's the 5200's the 9200(or 9100 or both cant remember), and was about on par with the 5600SE and the 9600SE.

That 9000Pro is equivelant of a Geforce 4TI which will crush all of thos cards. In fact IIRC the Radeon 9000Pro is just an 8500 with a couple of clockspeed increases and DX9 support.

-Kevin

The GF4MX series and the GF2Ti series are just about even. The latter will not "beat the shit" out of the GF4MX series. Anyway, the 9000 Pro is not a 8500. While its design is based on the 8500, it's not the same core. You might be thinking about the 9100, which is basically the same core as the 8500 except clocked slower IIRC. In any case, nothing below the 9500 is DX9 compliant, certainly not the 9000Pro.

 

[Gamingphreek]

You are wrong. Look at my thread on modern video cards. The Geforce2TI has more pipelines, is clocked higher, etc. We did run some tests, the only card that beat it was the 9600SE.

-Kevin

 

[Goi]

Before you making such absolute statements, check out some reviews and benchmarks. Such as here, here, here, here and here.

You'll see that in many cases the GF4MX series is at least as fast, if not slightly faster, than the GF2Ti/Ultra series.

Also, if you can point out just ONE source that says I'm wrong about the 9000Pro not having DX9 support, or that the 9000 doesn't use the same core as the 8500, that'd be great.

 

[iversonyin]

0wned

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: iversonyin
0wned

Ok stfu, not owned. I think Toms screwed up the results because there is no way a Geforce 4MX is going to tie with a Geforce 3 Ti (1st and last bench. Yes the last bench is CPU bound but the first benhc is not). I mean cmon the Geforce 3 Ti is DX8 higher clock better architecture.... no something is wrong there.

Also we did those results in these forums a while ago, so maybe the drivers used then are better optimized for that card. Im not sure but we did test a while ago, and the only card that the TI/Ultra didn't beat was the 9600SE. (and the Ti's and the Radeon 8500's you get the picture).

-Kevin

 

[lordtyranus]

Ok stfu, not owned. I think Toms screwed up the results because there is no way a Geforce 4MX is going to tie with a Geforce 3 Ti (1st and last bench. Yes the last bench is CPU bound but the first benhc is not). I mean cmon the Geforce 3 Ti is DX8 higher clock better architecture.... no something is wrong there.

Alrite everybody, listen up!! The great Gamingphreek says reputed Toms hardware is wrong and he is correct.

Oh wait! He referred us to his garbage modern video card guide. Would be great if it wasn't biased Nvidia trash full of grammatical errors and unreadable in its current text form.

 

[Blastman]

Go for a 9600pro if you can for a few $ more (little over $100). It beats the 4600 in the new games like Counter-Strike and Doom3 and should be a little faster than a 4600 in most new games. SO it will outperform a 4200 by a significant margin. Plus, you will get usable AF, which is a BIG image quality boost over the 4200-4600 series.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Ok stfu, not owned. I think Toms screwed up the results because there is no way a Geforce 4MX is going to tie with a Geforce 3 Ti (1st and last bench. Yes the last bench is CPU bound but the first benhc is not). I mean cmon the Geforce 3 Ti is DX8 higher clock better architecture.... no something is wrong there.

Alrite everybody, listen up!! The great Gamingphreek says reputed Toms hardware is wrong and he is correct.

Oh wait! He referred us to his garbage modern video card guide. Would be great if it wasn't biased Nvidia trash full of grammatical errors and unreadable in its current text form.

Alright heres an idea.... why dont you shut up and stop posting!!

Now i really didn't appreciate the comment about my guide. There arne't any grammatical errors retard, they were fixed that day. I post regularly there explaining why i haven't revised it. Now until you come anywhere near my IQ doint post OK... because all yor doing is starting flamewars.

I never said Tom's was wrong and im right... im just saying that the benchmarks that WE (not a site on the Internet) conducted and the results we found did not correspond with the ones found in Toms.

Now for my guide... i dont remember ever eferring anyone to my guide yet as it isn't finished. Also how can i be Nvidia biased???? I presented both sides of the argument and i came to the conclusion based on many different reviews. You are just mad because i said that IMO.... IMO.... the 6800UE is the better card for a person looking for bleeding edge hardware. Make your own opinion... in the guide i gave a good bit of knowledge about both cards so if they dont like my recommendation... FINE, it doesn't bother me... im not God or anything.

Now tyranus... please tell me your knowledge on computers. I will bet that it doesn't even come close to mine... also i haven't seen you post a thread with a decent guide. Unless you have something to post that is constructive or adds to the thread SHUT UP!!

(PS you are talking about grammatical errors i wasn't aware that Alright was spelled Alrite).

-Kevin

 

[lordtyranus]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Ok stfu, not owned. I think Toms screwed up the results because there is no way a Geforce 4MX is going to tie with a Geforce 3 Ti (1st and last bench. Yes the last bench is CPU bound but the first benhc is not). I mean cmon the Geforce 3 Ti is DX8 higher clock better architecture.... no something is wrong there.

Alrite everybody, listen up!! The great Gamingphreek says reputed Toms hardware is wrong and he is correct.

Oh wait! He referred us to his garbage modern video card guide. Would be great if it wasn't biased Nvidia trash full of grammatical errors and unreadable in its current text form.

Alright heres an idea.... why dont you shut up and stop posting!!
Because I don't want to

Now i really didn't appreciate the comment about my guide.
Aww, you poor baby

There arne't any grammatical errors retard, they were fixed that day. I post regularly there explaining why i haven't revised it. Now until you come anywhere near my IQ doint post OK... because all yor doing is starting flamewars.
You probably don't even know your own IQ. What are you judging mine on?

I never said Tom's was wrong and im right... im just saying that the benchmarks that WE (not a site on the Internet) conducted and the results we found did not correspond with the ones found in Toms.

Now for my guide... i dont remember ever eferring anyone to my guide yet as it isn't finished. Also how can i be Nvidia biased???? I presented both sides of the argument and i came to the conclusion based on many different reviews. You are just mad because i said that IMO.... IMO.... the 6800UE is the better card for a person looking for bleeding edge hardware. Make your own opinion... in the guide i gave a good bit of knowledge about both cards so if they dont like my recommendation... FINE, it doesn't bother me... im not God or anything.
Judging by this post it certainly seems to bother you.

Now tyranus... please tell me your knowledge on computers.
I'm a CS minor at Johns Hopkins. I work in our IT department. You?

I will bet that it doesn't even come close to mine
A chimpanzee in the zoo probably has your level of computer knowledge

... also i haven't seen you post a thread with a decent guide.
No, I'll leave that to the experts. Though I must say, if I was to make a guide, it would be a hell of a lot better than that pile of trash.

You should have taken my advice and made a webpage like Schadenfrosh did.

Unless you have something to post that is constructive or adds to the thread SHUT UP!!
How is your post constructive or adding to the thread

(PS you are talking about grammatical errors i wasn't aware that Alright was spelled Alrite).
There are several grammatical errors in your post here, but I really don't care. This is just informal conversation, clearly you can differentiate between this and a guide meant to imformative and perused by many other people

My guess is you are 15-17 year old rather immature male who needs a job to afford a real video card. Must be tough. Why don't you ask daddy for one?
-Kevin

 

[iversonyin]

hahah, 0wned again

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: JackBurton

What is that equivelent to in GeForce?

~GeForce FX 5200

8500> 5200

8500 is roughly equal to a ti500

Thats exactly what I was thinking.

 

[Marsumane]

Just one thing: CS doesnt really teach u all that much on hardware. It may teach you some, but being on here is a much better education on the workings/performance of modern hardware then your typical cs degree. On the other hand, posts on here also mean very little in terms of people w/o many posts not knowing much. Basically im saying that you guys could argue on who knows more based on indirect proof, but w/o an actual discussion/argument you will never be able to determine the amount of what you have ratined from your source of education.

Oh, and the GF4ti owns an 8500.

 

[Goi]

Don't trust Tom? How about Anand then? Here's a benchmark with both the GF4MX440/460 and the GF2 Ti. In fact, it even has a GF3 Ti200 in it. Guess what? Both the GF4MX cards beat the GF2/GF3 Ti series.

Want more? Check out this one. For the most part, the GF4MX460 is hanging right there with the GF3 Ti200, and the the GF4MX440 is beating the GF2 Ti.

Still not convinced? Here are some Q3A benchmarks. The results pretty much speak for themselves. The GF4MX460 is about as good as the GF3 Ti200, and the GF4MX440 edges the GF2Ti out.

There are more benchmarks in the pages following those. Mostly they show that the GF4MX series is at least as good as the GF2(non MX) series, if not better. They win some, they lose some.

 

[lordtyranus]

Originally posted by: iversonyin
hahah, 0wned again

:beer: Not for gamingphreek though, he is too young.

Just one thing: CS doesnt really teach u all that much on hardware. It may teach you some, but being on here is a much better education on the workings/performance of modern hardware then your typical cs degree. On the other hand, posts on here also mean very little in terms of people w/o many posts not knowing much. Basically im saying that you guys could argue on who knows more based on indirect proof, but w/o an actual discussion/argument you will never be able to determine the amount of what you have ratined from your source of education.

I fully agree with you, but he said computers in general, which includes both hardware and software.

I know the general basics of hardware installation and modding, nothing more. I'd estimate that's about what the average level of this forum is at. I don't consider Gamingphreek's raw regurgitation of simple facts read here or elsewhere on the net to indicate much in the way of knowledge. Personally, I considered anand's older 9700 article an example of something incredible, with a grasp of hardware beyond anything I'll ever have. There are people on this forum who know far more about this field than I do. Perhaps some of them are electrical/computer engineers.

Most of the threads around here end up being related to benchmarks, overclocking, video card recommendations, and troubleshooting, all of which become rather mundane pretty quickly. Occasionally, though, you find an interesting topic of discussion.

 

[carlosd]

GF3 Ti200

 

[Gamingphreek]

What do you mean too young??

Its not that i dont believe the benchmarks its that the bench marks that we the avg consumer or power user conducted. Maybe something was wrong on the benchmarks in the forums... ok well now lets move on.

Im very sorry you think that my knowledge is very limited. Maybe if you would start using what you say you have we wouldn't be having this pointless discussion, and i wouldn'tbe wasting my time arguing with you!!

(Just for grins and giggles though those benchmarks were with a Geforce 2Ti 200 which is slower than the plain Ti.) Dont flame or anything for that im just making a point.

-Kevin

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: Goi
Don't trust Tom? How about Anand then? Here's a benchmark with both the GF4MX440/460 and the GF2 Ti. In fact, it even has a GF3 Ti200 in it. Guess what? Both the GF4MX cards beat the GF2/GF3 Ti series.

Want more? Check out this one. For the most part, the GF4MX460 is hanging right there with the GF3 Ti200, and the the GF4MX440 is beating the GF2 Ti.

Still not convinced? Here are some Q3A benchmarks. The results pretty much speak for themselves. The GF4MX460 is about as good as the GF3 Ti200, and the GF4MX440 edges the GF2Ti out.

There are more benchmarks in the pages following those. Mostly they show that the GF4MX series is at least as good as the GF2(non MX) series, if not better. They win some, they lose some.

The 460 is actually a decent card for the money. The other versions of the MX I would pass on, but the 460s are decent.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: cremefilled

A 8500 is somewhere between a Ti500 and a Ti4200.

Yep, depending on the game. The new Catalyst drivers leave it pretty close (actually faster in some benchmarks) to the Ge4-ti4200.

Yeah, I actually had a choice between an 8500 and a Ti4200, I picked the TI4200 because it ran the game it was used primarily for, better.. at the time it was UT2003.