85 MPG observed

aleckz

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I'd wait 2nd or 3rd year like that one guy that posted, just because they will have worked out the annoying kinks that all first year models have.
 

Pliablemoose

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Originally posted by: aleckz
I'd wait 2nd or 3rd year like that one guy that posted, just because they will have worked out the annoying kinks that all first year models have.

I dunno, Honda does pretty well with first year models and they've got the bulk of the bugs worked out with the Euro version.
 

Uhtrinity

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It looks like a hypermiler did the review which explains the high numbers.

The European equivalent of EPA ratings states 35 mpg city, 55mpg highway, and the reviewer averaged 85.5mpg. The reviewers logs showed peaks into the 130's. Impressive, but a hypermiler can also achieve that with the other top hybrids (Prius, Insight, etc.)
 

Demon-Xanth

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C&D did observe 172MPG in a Honda Insight, but it did involve tailgating an Excursion that had it's hatch open. :D
 

ElFenix

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2007 - Honda Civic EX w/ 5-speed manual £30.1K $18,710

jesus. birts are getting raped. is that all taxes or what?
 

HannibalX

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Sign me up.

I have been waiting for diesels to go main stream here for a long time. So far the only options have been large trucks, Mercs which are very nice but out of my price range, or VWs which are sometimes unreliable (and over priced).

The Accord will be getting a diesel for 2009 and if there are no other affordable options at that point I will be driving an Accord.
 

SparkyJJO

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Bit ugly but certainly not as bad as some of these others I've seen around, at least they didn't try so hard to make it ugly. Good runaround car probably, but I wouldn't want to sit in it for long trips at all. No pics of the front seat legroom, sucks. Somehow it wouldn't surprise me if it was a little short there.
 

Howard

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I think it looks pretty snappy, for lack of a better word. Can't complain about the fuel efficiency, either.
 

Fenixgoon

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any diesel gets a :thumbsup: from me when it comes to improving passenger car efficiency
 

RU482

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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
C&D did observe 172MPG in a Honda Insight, but it did involve tailgating an Excursion that had it's hatch open. :D

Hmm, what do you suppose the average mileage of the Insight/Excursion combo was :)
 

tbike06

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Originally posted by: redly1
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
C&D did observe 172MPG in a Honda Insight, but it did involve tailgating an Excursion that had it's hatch open. :D

Hmm, what do you suppose the average mileage of the Insight/Excursion combo was :)

If I remember correctly they averaged around 100 MPG :)
 

Eli

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I want a diesel Insight.

Can you say 100MPG? lol
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: Scouzer
Diesels are awesome but I don't think they work well in Canada.
They "work" fine, but yeah.. cold starts do present a problem.

They would need to have built in block heaters or something.
 

Scouzer

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Scouzer
Diesels are awesome but I don't think they work well in Canada.
They "work" fine, but yeah.. cold starts do present a problem.

They would need to have built in block heaters or something.

Well the vast majority of cars in Canada have block heaters--I've never seen one without.

Even if they do start, I'm told they take ages to start blowing any warm air.
 

Auric

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Modern glow-plugs negate start up problems. But yes, diesel ginnies are more efficient so take longer to reach normal operating temperature and will only do so under load not idle. Ergo, for cold climes, heated seats are even more desirable than with a petrol ginny.
 

Scouzer

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Originally posted by: Auric
Modern glow-plugs negate start up problems. But yes, diesel ginnies are more efficient so take longer to reach normal operating temperature and will only do so under load not idle. Ergo, for cold climes, heated seats are even more desirable than with a petrol ginny.

I would like to see if they totally negate it at -30...or -35 celsius for that matter... frequent temperatures in the winter here.

If it doesn't really warm up at idle, how are you supposed to go anywhere? In harsh climates like this it's not uncommon to get a thick layer of ice on the INSIDE of the windshield. Obviously it's difficult to scrape on the inside of the car, so most people let it idle until it is melted away.

Wouldn't work so well with a diesel.
 

Auric

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Originally posted by: Scouzer

I would like to see if they totally negate it at -30...or -35 celsius for that matter... frequent temperatures in the winter here.

If it doesn't really warm up at idle, how are you supposed to go anywhere? In harsh climates like this it's not uncommon to get a thick layer of ice on the INSIDE of the windshield. Obviously it's difficult to scrape on the inside of the car, so most people let it idle until it is melted away.

Wouldn't work so well with a diesel.

Ice inside?! :Q Jehovah's teef! If that's the case, wouldn't you want a constant minimal heater inside such as the electric marine style (enclosed element, fanless)?

 

Scouzer

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Originally posted by: Auric
Originally posted by: Scouzer

I would like to see if they totally negate it at -30...or -35 celsius for that matter... frequent temperatures in the winter here.

If it doesn't really warm up at idle, how are you supposed to go anywhere? In harsh climates like this it's not uncommon to get a thick layer of ice on the INSIDE of the windshield. Obviously it's difficult to scrape on the inside of the car, so most people let it idle until it is melted away.

Wouldn't work so well with a diesel.

Ice inside?! :Q Jehovah's teef! If that's the case, wouldn't you want a constant minimal heater inside such as the electric marine style (enclosed element, fanless)?

Some people have them, but they're not overly common. Expensive for electricity and a fire hazard...