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Kaido

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Originally posted by: randomlinh
Originally posted by: Kaido
First question is, what features do you need in Aperture that aren't available now? Once I assessed my software requirements, it opened my eyes a bit...I'm pretty happy with the state of technology as it is now. If I couldn't upgrade after 10.5.2, I would still be able to be productive just fine.

You can do $650 easily. My wife's rig was $350 - 2.0ghz Allendale plus 2 gigs of ram and a Gigabyte board (the MicroATX model).

It's not really a question of what else I need, but what might come out later I would want :) And of course security updates in general. One big thing would be more/better support for raw formats (Sigma's DP1 for example, but unlikely ever to get native support).

And I'd ideally want to exceed my 2.16ghz C2D on my imac, but I want a 24" monitor, and to keep everything under a grand.. haha.. yeah, I know my expectations are a bit unrealistic at this point :)

Yes, good point. If Apple would release a Shuttle-style mid-range Mac, I think everyone would be happy. Something with expandable video and the capacity for 2 or 3 hard drives and a single quad-core processor would be perfect. Sadly, that will probably never happen because they like to keep the hardware between their product lines nice and clean.
 

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Originally posted by: Kaido
Yes, good point. If Apple would release a Shuttle-style mid-range Mac, I think everyone would be happy. Something with expandable video and the capacity for 2 or 3 hard drives and a single quad-core processor would be perfect. Sadly, that will probably never happen because they like to keep the hardware between their product lines nice and clean.

The problem is that there's simply not enough of a performance delta between Xeon and C2Q processors. Apple knows the performance difference between a MacPro and a C2Q MacSemi-Pro would be just too little and that most people would end up buying the mid tower. The only real advantages Xeon processors give you is SMP, gobs and gobs of RAM and a larger L2 cache. I think the FSB is faster on them, but that's not a big difference.
 

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Add a 24" H-IPS Panel LCD, OS X Leopard Retail, Aperture Retail, and iLife 08 Retail and you might as well have purchased an iMac.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Add a 24" H-IPS Panel LCD, OS X Leopard Retail, Aperture Retail, and iLife 08 Retail and you might as well have purchased an iMac.

You'd still save a couple hundred dollars (Aperture doesn't come with any new Macs by default), plus you gain a quad-core processor and 4 gigs of ram instead of a dual-core processor with 2 gigs of ram. More power, less money. Not as sexy :p
 

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Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Add a 24" H-IPS Panel LCD, OS X Leopard Retail, Aperture Retail, and iLife 08 Retail and you might as well have purchased an iMac.

You'd still save a couple hundred dollars (Aperture doesn't come with any new Macs by default), plus you gain a quad-core processor and 4 gigs of ram instead of a dual-core processor with 2 gigs of ram. More power, less money. Not as sexy :p

Definitely not as sexy. I was actually browsing NewEgg making a comparison PC to see what price I could get without sacrificing quality.

I came up with these components, as they are some of the best rated in customer satisfaction. I didn't 'dig' for deals, as the experience has to be compared to buying a store bought computer.

GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L
ZALMAN 9500A 92mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler
LIAN LI PC-7B plus II Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower
PC Power & Cooling S75QB 750W EPS12V Power Supply
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM
Pioneer 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black IDE Model DVR-115DBK
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400
EVGA 512-P3-N802-AR GeForce 8800GT Superclocked 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
Western Digital Caviar SE WD3200AAJS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 32-bit English 1pk DSP OEI DVD
SAMSUNG 245T-BLACK Black 24 Monitor
MASSCOOL SYTRIN Kuformula SHF1 Ultra HDD Cooler - BK
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
Logitech G5 2-Tone 7 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Laser Mouse
Logitech G11 Silver & Black USB Standard Gaming Keyboard

Total cost: $2,038.85
 

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Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Add a 24" H-IPS Panel LCD, OS X Leopard Retail, Aperture Retail, and iLife 08 Retail and you might as well have purchased an iMac.

Um... the iMac isn't a quad core. And I can't easily load up more HDD's. and the video card would be cheaper.

Not that I don't love my imac... but I have three external drives now... . hah.. and really would like a 24" now (my budget for my 20" imac would buy the 24" now....)

Originally posted by: umrigar
DFI Lanparty motherboard - $140
2.4ghz Quad-core Intel Q6600 - $215
PQI 4gb (2x2gb) DDR2-800 memory kit - $71
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$426

If you have a case with PS and a video card, there ya go.

that's not a whole system, and my spare PS.. is a 20pin one. spare video card? AGP. I can use my case tho.. good ol' antec OEM metal monster, heh.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: gar655
Never mind, I found the how to Hackintosh thread.

Thanks
Gene

have things gotten any easier? Why is it such a secret?

It's getting progressively easier. Kalyway has made some good strides in terms of an unattended catch-all install disc. The secret is choosing compatible hardware. People want to run it on what they have, whether or not it's supported under Leopard and existing drives, and then complain when it doesn't turn out well. The bottom line is that people are lazy and don't want to do the research required to choose a correct video card and motherboard. I've dealt with 40 or 50 people on various Hackintosh projects so far and the problem is the same across the board. It all boils down to doing the research.

My Hackintosh is great - it's been up and running smoothly for 6 months now (since December 2007) and is running 10.5.2 like a champ. I run Aperture 2.1, Photoshop CS3, Final Cut Pro, and many other great programs daily without a hitch. I knew absolutely zero about the project when I started but spent some time researching things, that's all. That's why I post these threads occasionally, to point people in the right direction. Things are easier if you have a recipe starting out :)
 

Zaap

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Hi all,
For anyone still interesting in a cheap DIY Hackintosh, I recently built the following:


Intel BOXDG31PR $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813121323
(This is a really solid OSX compatible mobo- most everything works OOB, and it performs like a champ.)

Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 Allendale 2.4GHz $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115032

ZOTAC GeForce 7300GT 256MB $30 ($20 after rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814500033
(CI/QE all resolutions work with NVinject)

Transcend 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 800 $43
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820208283

Rosewill ATX Mid Tower Case+450W Power Supply $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16811147031
(A surprisingly good case, and very stable, quiet PSU; very good for the price.)

WD Caviar 500GB/16MB SATA 3.0 $85
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822136073

LITE-ON Black 20X DVD Burner $28
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16827106229

nMEDIAPC All-in-one USB 2.0 Card Reader w/ USB Port $10
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820132016

SYBA PCI to Firewire 3+1 Port card $10
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16815124005


Total cost: $456
before shipping and taxes.

Alternatively, you can also swap out the E4600 for an E2200 Allendale Dual Core Pentium for $80. If you don?t need Firewire or a front panel card reader, knock off another $20. Also factor in a $20 rebate on the graphic card. Substitute any price range/size hard drive of your choice. (Both SATA and IDE work out of box on this board).

So at the lower spec, you can build the above for around $380, with the rebate.


I built this system for a friend with a better graphic card (an 8600GT, around $90) but I tested it with the above 7300GT and it also works great for OSX.

It took only an hour or so to get Leopard 10.5.2 installed and running. I tested Final Cut Pro, Adobe CS3 and a few other apps on this system (with the 7300) and they run great. I didn?t test any games.

If anyone is looking for a really solid and stable OSX system that?s reasonably cheap, yet performs well, the above will get you there.
 

mshan

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My current pc rig has an XFX 256 MB 7600GS PCI-e video card (passive cooling).

Should this video card be recognized automatically and trouble free by Leopard on an appropriate motherboard?

And what doesn't work with that Intel mobo, and how much hacking is required to get it working completely stable, troublefree, and hopefully updateable via software update.

EDIT: and how does a Leopard Hackintosh handle the combination of integrated graphics and a dedicated video card?

 

Zaap

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If your PC has that P5W DH Deluxe, that's an extremely Mac-compatible mobo. At one point that was my top choice for a Hackintosh.

I really can't say for sure, but your 7600GS will probably work fine. Guaranteed, you'll have to use NVinject and some kext hacking to get Core Image and Quartz Extreme enabled and res switching, otherwise it will default a locked 1080 x 768, no CI/QE. You might have to use a patch to enable the full 512MB of video RAM. It takes about 3 minutes of following a few simple instructions to hack the video card kexts. There are probably automated ways to do it also- I've only used NVinject.

Everything is fully functional on the Intel BOXDoG motherboard- I installed with Leo4Allv2 and checked drivers just for my audio and LAN (both Realtek) The only thing that I haven't gotten to work (haven't even tried to make it work) is sleep. It's supposed to work with this board, but I don't really use the sleep function anyway.

I haven't messed with Software Update, or whatever must be patched for the update. I'm still running 10.5.2 for now. Everything works flawlessly, nice and fast, so I just haven't seen a need yet to mess with updating. I do know that others are running 10.5.3 on this board just fine.


The BOXDoG has onboard VGA- I didn't even change a BIOS setting, just put in the video card at build, fired it up and installed the OS. It doesn't seem to matter one iota that there's onboard plus video card. Unfortunately, the VGA on this board doesn't support CI/QE/resolution, so for me, it's useless anyway.
 

mshan

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Does sleep work properly right out of the box?

And should any standard coaxial digital output bracket work with that mobo's spdif header? (and is digital output always simultaneously active with analog outputs?)

EDIT: also, what happens if I install a component (VBox DTA-150 PCI slot OTA HDTV tuner card) that doesn't have any drivers in Leopard? Does Leopard just completely ignore it, always pop up an error message, or will system not boot properly or be unstable?

 

Zaap

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Originally posted by: mshan
Does sleep work properly right out of the box?
Mine doesn't. Like I said before, I haven't bothered to even try to make it work because I don't need it. But it does work with this board. Depends on the install method, and patching.

And should any standard coaxial digital output bracket work with that mobo's spdif header? (and is digital output always simultaneously active with analog outputs?)
I'm not using digital out so I don't know- but my sound control panel lists digital audio out as an option.

In a nutshell, if you want everything to work 100% OOB without any patches ever, and Software Updates for the system, you're better off buying from Apple than going the Hackintosh route. Me, I wouldn't trade this machine or others I've built for actual Apple hardware of the same range- these are actually much faster. But one of the 'costs' is getting a few things to work. Still, I haven't spent any time at all getting anything to work with this board- everything I need already does.

EDIT: also, what happens if I install a component (VBox DTA-150 PCI slot OTA HDTV tuner card) that doesn't have any drivers in Leopard? Does Leopard just completely ignore it, always pop up an error message, or will system not boot properly or be unstable?
I could be wrong, but I think just about any PCI TV card is a no-go with a Mac. But it makes sense- what actual Mac other than a $3,000 MacPro even has open slots? There's probably not much of a market for anyone to make Mac-compatible internal PC tuners. If the card is in and you install Leopard: my guess, you might see some "unknown device" text scroll by during verbose darwin boot,(which has all sorts of cryptic error messages always, even on a real Mac) but nothing much beyond that.

On the other hand, if by some miracle you discover an internal TV card that does work with OSX, please let us know!

I'm very happy using an HDHomerun network tuner on my main Hackintosh, along with HDHomerunner for OSX, and VLC.

 

mshan

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Does that Intel Boxdog mobo's BIOS allow dual booting into Windows XP Home and Leopard, ideally using two separate partitions on the same hard drive, but if necessary on two separate hard drives?

EDIT: and in that software sound control panel, is there an option to switch to digital output only (e. g. does switching to digital output automatically mute analog sound output?), or does it appear that all outputs are always active simultaneously?

 

Zaap

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Multi-booting isn't limited by the BIOS- it's more how you set up your hard drives and a boot loader. There are a bunch of different methods. I'm by no means an expert on multi-booting, but here's basically what I gather:

Dual booting Windows XP and Mac OSX on the same drive- OSX needs to be on the first boot partition, otherwise darwin won't boot it. Windows XP needs to be installed so that it doesn't load the NT bootloader- then XP can be added as a boot option in darwin. (I've never done it this way, and don't know all the details of how to do it.).

If Vista is installed, then the Vista bootloader can be made to boot all other OS's, IE: any combo of OSX, Windows XP, and Vista. Again, OSX must always be on the first partition to boot.

The method I use to tri-boot on one hard drive is partition 1: OSX, partition 2: DOS formatted, partition 3: Windows XP, partition 4: Linux (from a Live CD like Ubuntu or PCLinuxOS, and the Grub bootloader. When Grub is installed by Linux, it sees the Windows partition, and can also be made to boot OSX via boot_v8 (a boot file copied from the OSX install disk). The DOS partition is just so all OS's can share a common access space.

You can also install OS's on separate disks- my main Hackintosh has 1 drive dedicated to OSX, with a tiny Linux formatted partition with boot_v8. Then and a second drive has Windows XP and PCLinuxOS 2008 with Grub configured to boot all 3 OS's- the only way grub can boot the OSX drive is from the small Linux partition that has the boot_v8 file.

At any rate the full details of multi-OS booting is a subject unto itself- there are a lot of methods, but it certainly works, and nothing on the Intel board prevents it.

When I switch the audio output to digital, it doesn't turn off the normal analog output. Keep in mind though, I don't have any way of knowing what, if anything, is going out of the digital output.
 

mshan

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Does having two separate hard drives, and using one for Windows XP Home boot and the other for Mac OS X (assume additional data parttions on each) simple this dual booting thing?

And is digital output something you have to check off in the software control panel, or does it make you choose between digital output and analog output (even though analog output still
works)?

EDIT: the Asus P5W DH Deluxe showed up as in stock at Newegg a while ago. I put it in my cart, but I checked again and it said deactivated item like it usually does. It was in my cart ($169 + $9 shipping), so I went ahead and checked out successfully. It's at step 3, so hopefully I won't get a notice that they no longer have stock.

I am also thinking about picking up the Intel BoxDG31PR mobo. It's around $69 shipped at Buy.com and this 5% off coupon may also work (edit: decided to go ahead and purchase one of these as well and 5% off coupon seemed to go through successfully. Make sure you choose free budget shipping, and total delivered cost ended up being slightly under $65). :)

In terms of cpu for that Asus P5W DH Deluxe, would you recommend an e6600, or the e4600 you linked above? And what about 2 x1 GB memory?

Any insights would be greatly appreciated!

 

Zaap

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Originally posted by: mshan
Does having two separate hard drives, and using one for Windows XP Home boot and the other for Mac OS X (assume additional data parttions on each) simple this dual booting thing?
It can simplify dual booting, yes. Some boards have a built in boot menu where you hold down a key at startup (F12 on Gigabyte boards) and then choose the boot device, and if multiple hard drives, which hard drive. Therefore, if Windows is on one, and OSX another, you can choose like that.

It's not elegant, but it gets the job done. The Intel board doesn't have that option though. No idea if the Asus board does or not.

I find I use one or the other and don't switch back and forth much, so however I get from one OS to another isn't something I do that often. More and more, I'm just using OSX. No matter what you use, I highly recommend a shared partition that's DOS formatted. OSX can't write to NTFS, and Windows can't read/write MacOS (unless you you software like MacDrive), so if you easily want to move files between the OS's, it's good to have.



And is digital output something you have to check off in the software control panel, or does it make you choose between digital output and analog output (even though analog output still
works)?
You just select (highlight) which device for sound output. My choices on the Intel board are Line Out, Headphones and Digital Out, all built-in. When I switch to Headphones, the case front headphone port is active, (the internal audio port on the motherboard) and of course the Line Out is no longer is active. When I select Digital Out, then Line Out/Headphones still works. By the way, I confirmed the same behavior today on the MacPro I use at work- but also, it has just analog speakers hooked up, nothing digital. So the sound behavior of my Intel build is the same as an actual Apple.

EDIT: the Asus P5W DH Deluxe showed up as in stock at Newegg a while ago. I put it in my cart, but I checked again and it said deactivated item like it usually does. It was in my cart ($169 + $9 shipping), so I went ahead and checked out successfully. It's at step 3, so hopefully I won't get a notice that they no longer have stock.
If you notice on the newegg user reviews, the latest review of that board is someone using it for a Hackintosh. It's among the boards that are as Mac-compatible as it gets, so it's a great choice. I've bought several items from newegg that were deactivated just after I bought them (and I received the item), so I'd wager you just got the last one.


In terms of cpu for that Asus P5W DH Deluxe, would you recommend an e6600, or the e4600 you linked above? And what about 2 x1 GB memory?
All depends on what you'll use the system for, and if you're thinking long term or short. Long term, I'd bite the bullet and go with a quad core Q6600. It's so cheap for a quad C2D, and will probably be able to handle the latest OSes for years to come. On the other hand, I chose the e4600 for no other reason than it was the cheapest C2D on newegg, and at $100 less than the Q6600 it's got a great bang-for-buck ratio.

I've been putting the e4600 system through its paces with Final Cut, Photoshop and everything else, and honestly, I can't tell a whit of real-world difference at most tasks between it and a Gigabyte system I have with an e6600. (My main Hackintosh). That's one reason I like this Intel system so much and wanted to share the stats- it's solid, fast and cheap. I think for most everyday tasks, and basic graphic tasks, the even cheaper option dual core Pentium would be fine. I'm eventually going to build an ultra-budget system around the dual core Pentium and see how it performs.
 

mshan

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What about memory?

I really only need 2 x 1 GB. 667 vs. 800, and any particular brands you recommend for those two boards I bought?

 

Zaap

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I'd stick with 800mhz RAM. Good name brands I've never had trouble with are Kingston (although I've heard avoid any of their ValueRAM line for Macs) Crucial, Muskin, Transcend, Corsair. In the Hackintoshes I've built or helped others build, I've used Muskin, Corsair, and Transcend with no problems. You should be fine with just about any name-brand of RAM.
 

Kaido

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I'll be updating this to the June Edition in a week or so, as soon as my new Gigabyte-P35-DS3L arrives this week and I test it. It will be cheaper and more compatible than this build :)
 

mshan

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Any recommendations for a Mac and Windows compatible 802.11g pci or pci-e x1 slot card?

Also, someone over in the cpu forum mentioned that a e5000 series will be released in the next couple of weeks, so prices for other cpus may drop at same time.