8-Yr old girl allergic to wheat denied communion, told to drink wine.

[ReiAyanami]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/19/communion.denied.ap/index.html

"The diocese has told Haley's mother that the girl can receive a low-gluten wafer, or just drink wine at Communion, but that anything without gluten does not qualify. "

they dont like rice :|

 

[KarenMarie]

That is so sad that it is funny!

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

So, let me do the math here . . . a 7 year-old who is deathly allergic to wheat but wants to take communion can't, under any circumstances, period, because it would violate the canons of the Catholic church.

Any one of literally hundreds of known child-molesting Catholic priests, however, isn't excommunicated, fired, or brought to justice, but is repeatedly passed on to new, unsuspecting parishes full of children like a bad penny, until the sheer quantity of his offenses makes it impractical to shield him from justice.

Even then, the church (at least the Portland archdiocese) resorts to measures like countersuing molestation victims with whom a priest admits to having had sexual contact, and declaring bankruptcy to avoid pecuniary liability, regardless of the fact that is is one of the largest landowners in Oregon, with real estate assets totalling roughly $500M.

This organization has moral authority why, again?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: DonVito
So, let me do the math here . . . a 7 year-old who is deathly allergic to wheat but wants to take communion can't, under any circumstances, period, because it would violate the canons of the Catholic church.

Any one of literally hundreds of known child-molesting Catholic priests, however, isn't excommunicated, fired, or brought to justice, but is repeatedly passed on to new, unsuspecting parishes full of children like a bad penny, until the sheer quantity of his offenses makes it impractical to shield him from justice.

Even then, the church (at least the Portland archdiocese) resorts to measures like countersuing molestation victims with whom a priest admits to having had sexual contact, and declaring bankruptcy to avoid pecuniary liability, regardless of the fact that is is one of the largest landowners in Oregon, with real estate assets totalling roughly $500M.

This organization has moral authority why, again?

The catholic church, as any church with a neverchanging set of rules will run into troubles like these.

Just force the girl to eat it and if she dies that was god's will.

Or just educate the priests regarding fvcking young choir members and forcing gluten intolerant kids to have communion with wheat crackers.

The deal is, this ancient church has done enough, it is time to stop the idiocy.

 

[KarenMarie]

They say she can just drink the wine and exclude the wafer altogether.

The diocese has told Haley's mother that the girl can receive a low-gluten wafer, or just drink wine at Communion, but that anything without gluten does not qualify. Pelly-Waldman rejected the offer, saying her child could be harmed by even a small amount of the substance.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
They say she can just drink the wine and exclude the wafer altogether.

The diocese has told Haley's mother that the girl can receive a low-gluten wafer, or just drink wine at Communion, but that anything without gluten does not qualify. Pelly-Waldman rejected the offer, saying her child could be harmed by even a small amount of the substance.

I assume your are not catholic, there is a certain symbolism to it, actually, even a protestant should know the symbolism, the body of christ and the blood of christ.

Unless you want to argue that the body of christ contains gluten i think i have missed your point entirely.

 

[Isla]

THis is precisely why I don't belong to any church at all.

I started with the Catholic church as a kid... we had a great Irish priest who we loved, but after he left, he was replaced by a man who turned out to be a criminal. My mom didn't like him from the start, so we just never went back to church after the Irish priest was gone.

I tried other churches and investigated other religions, but it all ends up boiling down to social clubs and politics. It even happens in families. My MIL (charismatic protestant) likes to believe she is a prophetess of God and that God tells HER what everyone else should do. LOL! Gotta love her. But she's not alone. There are many protestant churches where this weirdness goes on, too. You just have to stick around long enough and get involved to find out about it, where the Catholic church is so big, it makes the news. :laugh:

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Isla
THis is precisely why I don't belong to any church at all.

I started with the Catholic church as a kid... we had a great Irish priest who we loved, but after he left, he was replaced by a man who turned out to be a criminal. My mom didn't like him from the start, so we just never went back to church after the Irish priest was gone.

I tried other churches and investigated other religions, but it all ends up boiling down to social clubs and politics. It even happens in families. My MIL (charismatic protestant) likes to believe she is a prophetess of God and that God tells HER what everyone else should do. LOL! Gotta love her. But she's not alone. There are many protestant churches where this weirdness goes on, too. You just have to stick around long enough and get involved to find out about it, where the Catholic church is so big, it makes the news. :laugh:

Your description as a child describes my initial upbringing (great Irish priest, then he left). I too have noticed that churches are no more than a social gathering with their own cliqs. If you're not in that "cliq", you're generally ignored.

 

[shiner]

Long thread about it here

 

[Spamela]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
They say she can just drink the wine and exclude the wafer altogether.

The diocese has told Haley's mother that the girl can receive a low-gluten wafer, or just drink wine at Communion, but that anything without gluten does not qualify. Pelly-Waldman rejected the offer, saying her child could be harmed by even a small amount of the substance.

I assume your are not catholic, there is a certain symbolism to it, actually, even a protestant should know the symbolism, the body of christ and the blood of christ.

Unless you want to argue that the body of christ contains gluten i think i have missed your point entirely.

if you're a Catholic in full communion with the church, then there
is no symbolism. for one thing, Christ said "This IS my body, this is my blood" not "This is a symbol of my body."

look here., for example.

the girl could drink the wine, just as i've seen alcoholics & pregnant women
skip the wine & eat only the wafer.

 

[Spamela]

dp

 

[Cogman]

maybe she should join our church, We believe what they eat/drink for the sacrament is not important as long as it is blessed propery and taken seriously. Of course My church believes that many of the things that are spoken in the bible are Symbols or symbolic.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
They say she can just drink the wine and exclude the wafer altogether.

The diocese has told Haley's mother that the girl can receive a low-gluten wafer, or just drink wine at Communion, but that anything without gluten does not qualify. Pelly-Waldman rejected the offer, saying her child could be harmed by even a small amount of the substance.

I assume your are not catholic, there is a certain symbolism to it, actually, even a protestant should know the symbolism, the body of christ and the blood of christ.

Unless you want to argue that the body of christ contains gluten i think i have missed your point entirely.

The church has rules, and unfortunately for this young lady, if she wants to receive communion it will mean that she drinks the wine and not eat the wafer. I feel sorry for her, but it is not like she is being excluded. She is still able to receive communion.

It is her illness prevents her from receiving the wafer. I feel bad for her, and if she were being excluded I would agree with her. But she is not being excluded. They just want the church to change the rules.

 

[f95toli]

But why is there a rule against using low-gluten wafers?
I was under the impression that Communion is about symbols, so why are there rules about the gluten content?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
They say she can just drink the wine and exclude the wafer altogether.

The diocese has told Haley's mother that the girl can receive a low-gluten wafer, or just drink wine at Communion, but that anything without gluten does not qualify. Pelly-Waldman rejected the offer, saying her child could be harmed by even a small amount of the substance.

I assume your are not catholic, there is a certain symbolism to it, actually, even a protestant should know the symbolism, the body of christ and the blood of christ.

Unless you want to argue that the body of christ contains gluten i think i have missed your point entirely.

The church has rules, and unfortunately for this young lady, if she wants to receive communion it will mean that she drinks the wine and not eat the wafer. I feel sorry for her, but it is not like she is being excluded. She is still able to receive communion.

It is her illness prevents her from receiving the wafer. I feel bad for her, and if she were being excluded I would agree with her. But she is not being excluded. They just want the church to change the rules.

Actually, a church that would exclude a *CHILD* from communion because of allergies is NO church Jesus would approve of. And as it stands, that means this church has lost the reason to exist.

 

[KarenMarie]

Well, since they are not excluding her, then there is not a problem....

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: f95toli
But why is there a rule against using low-gluten wafers?
I was under the impression that Communion is about symbols, so why are there rules about the gluten content?

The churches want to discriminate but have a hard time doing so legally, well, now they have found a way, either that or they get money from the cracker makers.

The symbolism is what communion is all about, this is just fvcking stupid.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Well, since they are not excluding her, then there is not a problem....

excuse me, they are NOT excluding her from having "the body of christ"?

What's the problem, let har have a no gluten cracker instead.

It's not like there are any rules about gluten contents of the crackers the church serves, if they were to do it right they would ONLY serve gluten and laktose free crackers.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: f95toli
But why is there a rule against using low-gluten wafers?
I was under the impression that Communion is about symbols, so why are there rules about the gluten content?

It IS about the symbolism, and it is not just in the catholic churces, but the catholics probably like gluten based crackers to keep the childrens spincters nice and tight for the choir priests.

 

[oreagan]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: f95toli
But why is there a rule against using low-gluten wafers?
I was under the impression that Communion is about symbols, so why are there rules about the gluten content?

It IS about the symbolism, and it is not just in the catholic churces, but the catholics probably like gluten based crackers to keep the childrens spincters nice and tight for the choir priests.

Well, hey, if history has taught us anything, it's that being intolerant towards others' religions is a super idea that will solve problems.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: oreagan

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: f95toli
But why is there a rule against using low-gluten wafers?
I was under the impression that Communion is about symbols, so why are there rules about the gluten content?

It IS about the symbolism, and it is not just in the catholic churces, but the catholics probably like gluten based crackers to keep the childrens spincters nice and tight for the choir priests.

Well, hey, if history has taught us anything, it's that being intolerant towards others' religions is a super idea that will solve problems.

That is funny because it is so ironic, this 8 year old girl has been treated well by the "tolerant" catholic church, now hasn't she?

It is not the only example of the catholics church's intolerance, all while they hide things like child abuse and pedophilia within their ranks for decades, it might be ok if not for the churches attempts to cover it up instead of geting rid of the offenders and offering support for the victims instead of intimidation to keep them quiet.

I am sorry if i seem intolerant, but the catholic church has done nothing to deserve tolerance from me.

 

[Piano Man]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/19/communion.denied.ap/index.html

"The diocese has told Haley's mother that the girl can receive a low-gluten wafer, or just drink wine at Communion, but that anything without gluten does not qualify. "

they dont like rice :|

I would take this as a sign from God to switch/drop religion.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Piano Man

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/19/communion.denied.ap/index.html

"The diocese has told Haley's mother that the girl can receive a low-gluten wafer, or just drink wine at Communion, but that anything without gluten does not qualify. "

they dont like rice :|

I would take this as a sign from God to switch/drop religion.

Indeed, FVCK them, denying a child communion because she is allergic.

And for the extreme morons out there, yes, she IS denied "the body of christ".

Any church which denies the children part of their ceremonies is NO churche of Christ, any Christian knows that.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: f95toli
But why is there a rule against using low-gluten wafers?
I was under the impression that Communion is about symbols, so why are there rules about the gluten content?

Does anyone really think Jesus Christ himself gave a rat's ass about the gluten content of a wafer?

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: DonVito
So, let me do the math here . . . a 7 year-old who is deathly allergic to wheat but wants to take communion can't, under any circumstances, period, because it would violate the canons of the Catholic church.

Any one of literally hundreds of known child-molesting Catholic priests, however, isn't excommunicated, fired, or brought to justice, but is repeatedly passed on to new, unsuspecting parishes full of children like a bad penny, until the sheer quantity of his offenses makes it impractical to shield him from justice.

Even then, the church (at least the Portland archdiocese) resorts to measures like countersuing molestation victims with whom a priest admits to having had sexual contact, and declaring bankruptcy to avoid pecuniary liability, regardless of the fact that is is one of the largest landowners in Oregon, with real estate assets totalling roughly $500M.

This organization has moral authority why, again?

Becuase they falsely interpret the word of Jesus for everyone and follow a book made many, many years ago by a man who wasn't even alive during the time of Jesus. That is why.

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