Can't be predicted because it comes down to what the materials guys can come up with.
Don't see how we are going get down past 1/2 nm - the materials guys will be working with xtor features only 1-2 atoms thick
Can't be predicted because it comes down to what the materials guys can come up with.
TSMC confirms 7+nm EUV process to enter risk production in June 2018. Volume production should pretty much start by mid 2019. I am pretty sure Apple Ax chips for 2019 iphones will use this process.
http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1331489
TSMC / Apple juggernaut rolls on. 4+ Ghz on Cortex A72 using 7nm HPC. Intel's process lead is over. RIP Intel.
No. TSMC 7nm HPC is pretty much going to be on par with Intel 10nm even for electrical characteristics. The 7nm HPC process is optimized for 4+ Ghz CPUs. 7+nm with EUV will be better than Intel 10nm.
No. TSMC 7nm HPC is pretty much going to be on par with Intel 10nm even for electrical characteristics. The 7nm HPC process is optimized for 4+ Ghz CPUs. 7+nm with EUV will be better than Intel 10nm.
You've been saying this for years.
No way. I'll take that bet.
Apple A12 should be a TSMC 7nm SoC, and iPhones come every fall![]()
Nope, 2018 likely to be 7nm, 2019 definitely 7nm.![]()
I took the history of all apple SoCs and made a log_base2 graph (shown in red). I then added a simple trendline (in black) and extended that trendline in green and added blue dots around typical iPhone release dates. I expect the 2017 and 2018 iPhones to be on 10nm. The 2019 iPhone is an odds-even tossup between 10nm and 7nm.
Nope, 2018 likely to be 7nm, 2019 definitely 7nm.
You can do the graphs you want, TSMC is starting risk production next month of their 7nm and will be in mass production next year. "More's Law" is not a law and proces nodes have different marketing names.What you're saying is that the next two years are going to break a 10 year trend in process tech, for the better. In essence, outstripping Moore's Law. How likely is that, really? Of course we would need to overlay feature sizes and transistor counts onto that same graph to get a true picture, but it just seems rather unlikely, especially given how similar promises were made in the past.
You should read the recent info on fab roadmaps, 7nm tsmc will be in full production in volume H2 2018, providing no crazy yield issues or hold ups.What you're saying is that the next two years are going to break a 10 year trend in process tech, for the better. In essence, outstripping Moore's Law. How likely is that, really? Of course we would need to overlay feature sizes and transistor counts onto that same graph to get a true picture, but it just seems rather unlikely, especially given how similar promises were made in the past.
You should read the recent info on fab roadmaps, 7nm tsmc will be in full production in volume H2 2018, providing no crazy yield issues or hold ups.
Tsmc the moves to 20% denser and 10% better electrical characteristics 7nm EUV in 2019, likely in time for iphone 10.
And seems that True 7nm is the EUV one, the one which AMD will go.. so expect more refresh at 14 nm with AMD.dude you are selectively quoting what you want to drive your narrative. TSMC confirmed the 7 EUV in second year of 7nm volume production. Since the 7nm HVM ramp is in H1 2018 that means TSMC 7 EUV will ramp in 2019. Its obvious since 5nm EUV is scheduled for ramp in 2020 and TSMC would want to introduce EUV on a mature 7nm node and use the experience for a smooth 5nm EUV ramp a year later.
I don't know why but I feel some hate/bias/personal preferences on your wordsYields won't likely be good by 2H18, but it doesn't matter - Apple will pay more for it's custom ARM SOCs than anyone else will. That it what is driving TSMCs 7nm development (and what probably drove their 16FF && 12FF nodes). Without Apple, TSMC wouldn't have a customer that would buy large volumes with lower than standard yields.
I don't know why but I feel some hate/bias/personal preferences on your words
I don't see anything wrong to bring some sane competition in this market even if you are a fanatic of some monopolistic brand. TSMC said they have alredy 76% yields rates and they usually have good ramps up of their new processes so I don't see anything to proclaim what you said.
Intel plays with smoke and mirrors much more since they sell finished products, TSMC offers a service and have to be more transparent to customers.I have nothing against competition. I have nothing against TSMC. I have issues with allot of pure fabs, they play more games with stats, roadmaps and yields than Intel. Intel just shuts up for a while when things are going wrong.
Anywho, and more to the point, TSMC already has 76% yield rate on what product, exactly?