I'm still extraordinarily happy with my original 5D that I picked up last year for $1800...that was a helluva deal then. I would like a little better focusing system and a better LCD, but the camera does a great job.
Eug
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I think I'm going to pick myself up one of these Canon EOS 7Ds, and I'm also going to get a Transcend Extreme Plus 600X 16 GB Compact Flash card to go with it.
That's going to be a HUGE upgrade over my current 20D, and will mate well with my EF-S 10-22, EF 24-105 f/4L IS, and EF 70-200 f/4L IS (and various other lenses). The biggest plus for me is the high ISO support. On my 20D, 800 is usable, and 1600 isn't really. On the 7D it looks like 3200 is usable, with 1600 quite decent. Plus the 1080p24 video support is nice.
Oh and built-in wireless flash transmitter. Awesome. (I have a 580EX.)
The only thing now is whether or not to get a EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS. The 24-105L is a great lens, but is built more for full frame sensors in terms of its zoom range. The 17-55 adds both f/2.8 and a more usable wide angle end. That said, the 17-55 is really lacking on the telephoto end, which would probably annoy me to no end.
P.S. Those of you bitching about the 5D Mark II... I suspected there's gonna be a 5DMk3 / 3D in a year or whatever that is going to totally kick ass...
That's going to be a HUGE upgrade over my current 20D, and will mate well with my EF-S 10-22, EF 24-105 f/4L IS, and EF 70-200 f/4L IS (and various other lenses). The biggest plus for me is the high ISO support. On my 20D, 800 is usable, and 1600 isn't really. On the 7D it looks like 3200 is usable, with 1600 quite decent. Plus the 1080p24 video support is nice.
Oh and built-in wireless flash transmitter. Awesome. (I have a 580EX.)
The only thing now is whether or not to get a EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS. The 24-105L is a great lens, but is built more for full frame sensors in terms of its zoom range. The 17-55 adds both f/2.8 and a more usable wide angle end. That said, the 17-55 is really lacking on the telephoto end, which would probably annoy me to no end.
P.S. Those of you bitching about the 5D Mark II... I suspected there's gonna be a 5DMk3 / 3D in a year or whatever that is going to totally kick ass...
hey, I've pushed my 20D to 1600 and it can work =) adorama + bing for 10% off, i'm seriously thinking of doing it, ha
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High ISO support is its biggest plus, but obviously not the only plus.
Add in everything else and it's worth the price premium to me.
The high ISO support is even better on the 5D but there the price premium isn't worth it to me, and I'd prefer not to go full frame anyway.
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I don't see how this camera would have any effect on the 5D2's price. As you wrote, it's FF vs. not. It's also a sports camera vs. not. If you bought a 5D2 to shoot sports or wildlife, you probably made the wrong choice. The 7D might however compete with the 1D until its next revision comes out.
The Sony A850 is the real challenge to the 5D2's price at the moment. But going into that in a 7D thread is about as silly as getting a 5D2 to shoot sports.
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Hmmm... I was concerned about the video support when I found out there is no ability to disable the automatic audio gain for the mic, and there was no headphone jack to monitor audio from the mic.
Well, for those really wanting to maximize the features for video-ing, there is a $375 BeachTek DXA-5D XLR. It includes inputs for professional mics, and has level adjustments (and a built-in LCD screen). It also has a headphone jack and it mounts to the bottom of the DSLR. But the coolest thing is that it puts out a high-pitched but inaudible noise that effectively disables the camera's automatic audio gain.
I don't need this now, since I'm a video n00b, but nonetheless it's nice to know such a beast exists, for all of CAD$430. It's meant for the 5D (hence the name), but I'm assuming it also works with the 7D. Even if it didn't, it should be easily updated to work the 7D I'm guessing.
Well, for those really wanting to maximize the features for video-ing, there is a $375 BeachTek DXA-5D XLR. It includes inputs for professional mics, and has level adjustments (and a built-in LCD screen). It also has a headphone jack and it mounts to the bottom of the DSLR. But the coolest thing is that it puts out a high-pitched but inaudible noise that effectively disables the camera's automatic audio gain.
I don't need this now, since I'm a video n00b, but nonetheless it's nice to know such a beast exists, for all of CAD$430. It's meant for the 5D (hence the name), but I'm assuming it also works with the 7D. Even if it didn't, it should be easily updated to work the 7D I'm guessing.
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http://img406.imageshack.us/im...72/30d7dallisofull.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img...34/30d7dallisonorm.jpg
Got those from French camera site. The reviwer says those were shot using same settings in RAW then converted also using same settings.
Beside this one, I've seen quite a few samples from field-testers and I'm impressed. This is really, really, really good for a 18MP, 1.6 crop factor camera.
http://img12.imageshack.us/img...34/30d7dallisonorm.jpg
Got those from French camera site. The reviwer says those were shot using same settings in RAW then converted also using same settings.
Beside this one, I've seen quite a few samples from field-testers and I'm impressed. This is really, really, really good for a 18MP, 1.6 crop factor camera.
Eug
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The 7D doesn't suffer from the 5D2's problem of switching aspect ratio and going to 640x480 for HDMI output when recording video.
http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/...-than-with-the-5dmkii/
So, I'm not sure how useful the direct comparison is. I guess the good news is that the 7D does look good, comparisons aside.
http://forums.dpreview.com/for...=1019&message=33050467
http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/...-than-with-the-5dmkii/
The 50D and 7D pictures were apparently taken with a 50 mm lens, whereas the other ones were taken with a 100 mm lens. Plus, the framing of the 5D is gonna be quite different.
So, I'm not sure how useful the direct comparison is. I guess the good news is that the 7D does look good, comparisons aside.
http://forums.dpreview.com/for...=1019&message=33050467
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Wedding video shot entirely on Canon 7D
Lots of shots at ISO 1600. The low light performance is excellent at that ISO.
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High ISO still picture comparisons between Nikon D5000, Canon 5D II, Canon 50D, Canon 7D
ISO 400-6400
ISO 12800
Summary: 5D II wins easily, the 7D comes in second.
At very high ISO, the 50D and D5000 aren't in the same league as the 7D, which in turn isn't in the same league as the 5D II.
Note again though I wouldn't make final conclusions from these pics, because the exposure might be off just a touch from picture to picture. Still it's remarkable to see the performance of the 7D at 6400. Yes it's noisy, but it's completely free of pattern noise, and it's still significantly less noisy than the 50D.
Lots of shots at ISO 1600. The low light performance is excellent at that ISO.
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High ISO still picture comparisons between Nikon D5000, Canon 5D II, Canon 50D, Canon 7D
ISO 400-6400
ISO 12800
Summary: 5D II wins easily, the 7D comes in second.
At very high ISO, the 50D and D5000 aren't in the same league as the 7D, which in turn isn't in the same league as the 5D II.
Note again though I wouldn't make final conclusions from these pics, because the exposure might be off just a touch from picture to picture. Still it's remarkable to see the performance of the 7D at 6400. Yes it's noisy, but it's completely free of pattern noise, and it's still significantly less noisy than the 50D.
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Mine's ordered, but I don't think I'll get it in the first batch. 
On the bright side, I should get my extra battery, Rode VideoMic, and Firewire 800 Compact Flash reader this week (along with the CF card hopefully).
On the bright side, I should get my extra battery, Rode VideoMic, and Firewire 800 Compact Flash reader this week (along with the CF card hopefully).
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Thinking of buying a dedicated hd camcomder but after seeing the videos...me want one.
Harnessing the Power of the EOS 7D?s Video System
The "Highly improved AF (with dedicated AF processor)" is really good too...What's New in the EOS 7D: Sophisticated, Customizable AF System.
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The quality is incredible in the right hands. Stillmotion, who made the wedding video that Eug linked, are at the top of their field. You could hand them a K7 or D90 and the results would still be jaw-dropping.
Stillmotion's 5D2 wedding videos are incredible. On the other hand, check out the average 5D2 video on YouTube or Vimeo, and you'll see how much of the "video quality" is attributable to the camera, and how much is due to the person behind the camera. Putting together a quality, enjoyable, memorable video clip is a whole different ballgame with an entirely different skill set than photography. You can be an above average photographer, but still be an infant when it comes to filming video (I fall into that category).
But if you want to put in the hard work...do some story-boarding, practice your manual focusing skills, and be prepared to do a lot of takes. Then get fluent in Premiere/Final Cut. On the gear side, you'll need a solid tripod with a video head plus a steady-cam.
Quite true but Nikon's just behind Canon when it comes down to video matters.
720P is nice but compared to 1080P, the difference is just quite huge. On top of everything, unlike Canon, Nikons' video mechanism relies on processing liveview streams which are just plain line-scan signals. That's just not good.
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For the most part I agree.
Indeed, I betcha 99.9% of my own videos will be utter crap. Here's hoping that the other 0.1% will be stuff that might actually turn out to be watchable to people other than myself.
However, one thing to remember is that many cameras before the current crop of video-endowed cameras were quite poor. The image quality coming from the camcorders left me wanting. The low light capabilities absolutely sucked unless you spent really big bux, and the video feel of the footage feels different. Plus, on many consumer level camcorders the bitrate for the encoders is too low so the footage often had lots of artifacts. Furthermore, interchangeable lenses were virtually non-existent, and all the built-in lenses are small aperture, meaning the depth of field is huge which doesn't look so good. The iPod nano video vs. Canon 5D II example is a joke of course, but it does illustrate the perils of huge depth of field.
One thing you didn't mention is audio. Just about all the advanced guys use external audio recorders, but even when they don't, in the very least they buy better quality microphones. On camera mics almost invariably suck.
I'm just a n00b dabbling, so I'm not willing to spend too many $ for high end mic equipment, but I did order a Rode VideoMic. I even cheaped out the deadcat wind muffler. Instead of spending the crazy $75 for essentially a hairy sock, I went to Fabricland and bought 10 bux worth of faux fur, enough to make 5 of them, with my sister's sewing machine.
@eug - contact barry at cameralensrentals.com (his email). he has a bunch of pre-orders he's taking for the 7D.
he was one of the first to get the 100L which he has shipped out to everyone this week.
i ordered my 5DII from him for $50 less than what adorama or the other big guys were asking for.
rumor has it that the 7D will ship out next week so...
he was one of the first to get the 100L which he has shipped out to everyone this week.
i ordered my 5DII from him for $50 less than what adorama or the other big guys were asking for.
rumor has it that the 7D will ship out next week so...
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