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Ackmed

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Originally posted by: lopri


Again, "Most people"!! Arggggggggh!!!!!

1. Most people prefer AA over HDR
2. Most people haven't seen HDR

Who are those "Most People"? :confused: (Well, I guess this could be a possible explanation to the poll results, at least ;) )

I agree with the review methodology, though. It's been so annoying to me that they mix AA / no AA / HDR / no HDR in the charts with no apparent logic or explanation.

1. I already told you, Ive seen a few polls with this. Make your own, if you dont believe. I made one a while back, asking if people play with AA. HDR was not mentioned, but many said they simply cant play without AA.
2. Because most people do not have cards that can do HDR. Do you dispute that? Take a look at the steam survey if you want.

Even if we disagree on who has what, we still agree on my main point. The review system for games that have HDR, is pretty crappy. Its almost always with HDR, and thats it. No Bloom+AA, no AA, and certainly no HDR+AA, except for places like Hard.

I think this GX2 is a great card for the price. 7900GTX sales will fall somewhat I think. I know I wouldnt pay $500 (or a little lower) for one, when you can get a GX2 for $600. Hopefully the GX2 prices stay around $600. As of now, there is only one left at newegg for $600, the rest are $630+.
 

beggerking

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Yes the GX2 is almost always faster, in almost every game. But as you mentioned, it costs more. The cheapest retail X1900XT is $370 at newegg, the cheapest GX2 is $600. $230 between the two. Thats a pretty big difference. But thats everyones choice.

I did mention AA+HDR
if you really have to compare everything, then HDCP full compliance is the thing I forgot to mention, which is supported by GX2.

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It matters for people wanting the quietest PC. Try thinking, before flaming. Try some manners, and not acting 12 yelling all the time. Guru is the only site Ive read, that says the GX2 is quieter than the GTX. All others say its between the GTX, and X1900's. Or between 44db and 50db. I didnt say the GX2 was louder, just tha I would like to see the same thing from all reviewers.

I'm not flaming..and once again, it is quieter than 1900 as I have pointed out.
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: beggerking
I did mention AA+HDR
if you really have to compare everything, then HDCP full compliance is the thing I forgot to mention, which is supported by GX2.

I didnt say you didnt mention HDR+AA. I said HQ AF.

Originally posted by: beggerking

I'm not flaming..and once again, it is quieter than 1900 as I have pointed out.[/quote]

Yelling in all caps, is pretty rude, and childish. I too said the GX2 was quieter. I just said I would like some clarification. All other reviewers put the GX2 as louder than the GTX, yet guru3d does just the opposite. And that the GX2 is a "little" quieter than the X1900, yet again guru3d is the only one to say the opposite. That is all I was saying. I dont know why you cant see that.

 

beggerking

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: beggerking
I did mention AA+HDR
if you really have to compare everything, then HDCP full compliance is the thing I forgot to mention, which is supported by GX2.

I didnt say you didnt mention HDR+AA. I said HQ AF.

HQ AF isn't as important as HDR+AA which I did mention.

If you really want to compare everything, HDCP compliance is more valuable than HDR+AA/HQ AF combined to future proofing the card.



Originally posted by: beggerking

I'm not flaming..and once again, it is quieter than 1900 as I have pointed out.[/quote]

Yelling in all caps, is pretty rude, and childish. I too said the GX2 was quieter. I just said I would like some clarification. All other reviewers put the GX2 as louder than the GTX, yet guru3d does just the opposite. And that the GX2 is a "little" quieter than the X1900, yet again guru3d is the only one to say the opposite. That is all I was saying. I dont know why you cant see that.

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I stated that I wasn't flaming and you didn't believe me, and now you are calling me being childish..?

you are derailing the thread and once again trolling as you were in all other threads. Please leave if you don't have a point here.
 

lopri

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: lopri


Again, "Most people"!! Arggggggggh!!!!!

1. Most people prefer AA over HDR
2. Most people haven't seen HDR

Who are those "Most People"? :confused: (Well, I guess this could be a possible explanation to the poll results, at least ;) )

I agree with the review methodology, though. It's been so annoying to me that they mix AA / no AA / HDR / no HDR in the charts with no apparent logic or explanation.

1. I already told you, Ive seen a few polls with this. Make your own, if you dont believe. I made one a while back, asking if people play with AA. HDR was not mentioned, but many said they simply cant play without AA.
2. Because most people do not have cards that can do HDR. Do you dispute that? Take a look at the steam survey if you want.

Even if we disagree on who has what, we still agree on my main point. The review system for games that have HDR, is pretty crappy. Its almost always with HDR, and thats it. No Bloom+AA, no AA, and certainly no HDR+AA, except for places like Hard.

I think this GX2 is a great card for the price. 7900GTX sales will fall somewhat I think. I know I wouldnt pay $500 (or a little lower) for one, when you can get a GX2 for $600. Hopefully the GX2 prices stay around $600. As of now, there is only one left at newegg for $600, the rest are $630+.

I'm not sure if you're understanding what I'm trying to say, not to mention what you have said.

Because most people do not have cards that can do HDR.

This was what I meant to point out to you with a nice smiley.

1. Most people prefer AA over HDR.
2. Most people haven't seen HDR.

You made statements that can't co-exist and I just pointed it out. And you should now understand why you must use such strong wording like "most people" with caution. People tend to use such expressions as an easy way to back up their opinions. But it won't take an argument to anywhere because the near-infinite different types of "most people" That's all.

And yes, while not a logical reasoning, I also got the impression that you got - many people don't have a card that does HDR. Then making a poll with this wide-open samples is pointless, as you could imagine. And even then, what good the result would do? Some people prefer AA over HDR, and some people prefer HDR over AA. And some people don't really know what HDR (or AA) so they vote for whatever they know of.

Does that make your first statement - most people prefer AA over HDR - valid?


 

josh6079

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Originally posted by: dramaqueen

HQ AF isn't as important as HDR+AA which I did mention.

If you really want to compare everything, HDCP compliance is more valuable than HDR+AA/HQ AF combined to future proofing the card.

Says who? ATI's HQ AF is TONS better than Nvidias at the moment. (Trust me, I've seen the best of both). I am one of those "most peoples" who cant stand not to have AA and will sacrifice HDR to keep it. Being able to keep both is awesome.

Also, how can any peice of hardware be future proof? Its impossible, unless the future is only about 6 months. $600 for 6 months=$100/month just to play games looking like any 7 series. "Most" Nvidia owners seem to have a 7900GT that is volted up to a 7900GTX or beyond, or two 7900GT's or a 7900GTX/SLI....basically, most Nvidia owners already have a 7900 series that about a month ago was doing all of their gaming "just fine" Why would anyone want to go from having a great overclocking card, to a limited single slot SLI? I for one love to overclock. I see it as a way of getting back my money since I'm squezzing more performance out of something for the same cost as not doing it. This card is built almost so it is (right now) impossible to cool it differently than the stock setup. I don't know how some people could go from having such fun overclocking a 7900, to being stuck with the cooling limitations of this card. If someone has one 7900GT they could put half of that price out and get another one, run it in SLI and get about the same performance if not better. If Quad capabilities is the reasoning I can't understand it since it isn't mature enough to be effective yet.

I'm not trying to bash Nvidia, they've paved the road yet again with this idea. It has some impressive features, but its own sibling hardware is the biggest competitor for it. Yes, its outperforms the X1900 as it should because of its Dual GPU and 1GB of memory. But when looking at the cost/performance ratio of similar 7900's, it is beat by its own company. $300 or so dollars for someone who has a 7900GT to get a 7950GX2 performance. That is more appealling than $600+ for roughly the same performance. If someone has the money to burn, wants an Nvidia card, and does NOT have a 7900 or 7800 that suites them, they could still buy two 7900GT's for about the same or less, and still get the performance. I just cant see the reasoning, that's all.

C'mon lopri, you get on Ackmeds case for using "most people" yet when dramaqueen says, "HDCP compliance is more valuable than HDR+AA/HQ AF combined" you don't get on his case? Lots of people exagerate, but not everyone is doing so just to exagerate. Most of the time (whoops, I exagerated there) people say things like that to suggest that that is the majority of what they've experienced.



 

beggerking

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Originally posted by: josh6079


Says who? ATI's HQ AF is TONS better than Nvidias at the moment. (Trust me, I've seen the best of both). I am one of those "most peoples" who cant stand not to have AA and will sacrifice HDR to keep it. Being able to keep both is awesome.
I'm going to ignore your crap about dramaqueen which only makes you look childish and stupid.
I never said HQ AF is not better.. what I said was, HDCP (if you actually know what that is) is much more important to future proof the card and IMO a better feature compare to what HQ AF can offer.
Also, how can any peice of hardware be future proof?
very much the same reason why people switch from single core CPU to dual core CPU. In addition to that, HDCP support. ( which I'm not sure if your little brain know what that is).
"Most" Nvidia owners seem to have a 7900GT that is volted up to a 7900GTX or beyond, or two 7900GT's or a 7900GTX/SLI....basically, most Nvidia owners already have a 7900 series that about a month ago was doing all of their gaming "just fine" Why would anyone want to go from having a great overclocking card, to a limited single slot SLI?

use of "most people" = generalization = trolling.
I for one love to overclock. I see it as a way of getting back my money since I'm squezzing more performance out of something for the same cost as not doing it. This card is built almost so it is (right now) impossible to cool it differently than the stock setup. I don't know how some people could go from having such fun overclocking a 7900, to being stuck with the cooling limitations of this card. If someone has one 7900GT they could put half of that price out and get another one, run it in SLI and get about the same performance if not better. If Quad capabilities is the reasoning I can't understand it since it isn't mature enough to be effective yet.

7950gx2 is faster than 7900gt sli. get your fact straight.
please read up on 7950gx2 before you comment on it.. you are making obsolutely no sense.

I'm not trying to bash Nvidia, they've paved the road yet again with this idea. It has some impressive features, but its own sibling hardware is the biggest competitor for it. Yes, its outperforms the X1900 as it should because of its Dual GPU and 1GB of memory. But when looking at the cost/performance ratio of similar 7900's, it is beat by its own company. $300 or so dollars for someone who has a 7900GT to get a 7950GX2 performance. That is more appealling than $600+ for roughly the same performance. If someone has the money to burn, wants an Nvidia card, and does NOT have a 7900 or 7800 that suites them, they could still buy two 7900GT's for about the same or less, and still get the performance. I just cant see the reasoning, that's all.

C'mon lopri, you get on Ackmeds case for using "most people" yet when dramaqueen says, "HDCP compliance is more valuable than HDR+AA/HQ AF combined" you don't get on his case? Lots of people exagerate, but not everyone is doing so just to exagerate. Most of the time (whoops, I exagerated there) people say things like that to suggest that that is the majority of what they've experienced.

wtf! you came in here posting crap and calling me out? if you prefer HDR+AA over HDCP compliance than go ahead, its your opinion.

READ THE REVIEWS!! almost all reviews are saying its a good bang for the buck because its faster than 7900GT SLI while costing the same.

7950 doesn't need another cooling solution because it runs cooler than 1900xtx, quieter, and consume less power.

obviously your brain capacity don't allow you to fully understand the use/importance of HDCP..

Josh, you are just embarrassing yourself here, commenting on a product you have no idea about, then troll and calling names.
 

josh6079

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Originally posted by: dramaqueen

HDCP (if you actually know what that is) is much more important to future proof the card and IMO a better feature compare to what HQ AF can offer.

Never said that it isn't as important of a feature. I said that a future proof peice of hardware is not future proof.

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Also, how can any peice of hardware be future proof?


very much the same reason why people switch from single core CPU to dual core CPU.

You just agreed with me. People switch (are begining to switch) from single core CPU's to dual core CPU's. How does that show that things are future proof? If something was future proof, you wouldn't need to switch anything. Eventually the dual core CPU's will be getting switched out for quad core, etc. Nothing is "future proof" about it, just keeping up with the times.

In addition to that, HDCP support. ( which I'm not sure if your little brain know what that is).

My little brain? Let's not forget when you accused me of "hurting" you and calling you a shill back in the AEG witch hunt time period where Rollo was banned, a time when I wasn't even a member here.

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"Most" Nvidia owners seem to have a 7900GT that is volted up to a 7900GTX or beyond, or two 7900GT's or a 7900GTX/SLI....basically, most Nvidia owners already have a 7900 series that about a month ago was doing all of their gaming "just fine" Why would anyone want to go from having a great overclocking card, to a limited single slot SLI?



use of "most people" = generalization = trolling.

Okay, so this previeous comment

HQ AF isn't as important as HDR+AA

and

the same reason why people switch from single core CPU to dual core CPU

are not overgeneralizations? I doubt everyone is switching to dual core. Like I said, to you maybe HQ AF isn't as important as HDR + AA, but when I say "most people" I'm way over the edge? If you want to get technical, I added an adjective to people, describing it more and making it less vague than your "people" comment.

use of "people"=generalization=trolling!!!

It's funny, you skim over the fact that two 7900's barely lose to a 7950GX2 (in fact the margin of loss is probably due to the normal 5% error gap that is associated with Anandtech's benchmarks) yet you get very tight about someone saying "most"??????

7950gx2 is faster than 7900gt sli. get your fact straight.
please read up on 7950gx2 before you comment on it.. you are making obsolutely no sense.

I need to read up on it? Look here:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2769&p=1

The 7900GX2 barely beats it, and they were testing stock 7900GT's. I was saying that for those who have voltmodded or overclocked their 7900GT's are already getting better performance than the stock ones that Anandtech compared it to and would quickly close the negligible 3-5 fps gap. And they could do it by spending half of the amount.

wtf! you came in here posting crap and calling me out? if you prefer HDR+AA over HDCP compliance than go ahead, its your opinion.

Once again you can't read. Where did I ever say that HDR + AA is more important than HDCP? You said I overgeneraized, yet you claimed that HQ AF isn't as important as HDR + AA? Maybe not to you? I personally never run a game without at least HQ AF. Once again, not saying that HDCP is worse than all of those, just saying that you overgenearlized too.

READ THE REVIEWS!! almost all reviews are saying its a good bang for the buck because its faster than 7900GT SLI while costing the same.

Yes, it is faster, but by how much? In FEAR at 16x12 it got 3 frames more. At 2048x1536 it got 5 frames more....are you telling me you can tell the difference between 3-5 frames? Not to mention they were using stock 7900GT's. If someone who has an overclocked one wants to get another one for $300 or less, they could do so, overclock it, and close that 3-5 frame gap easily for half the price.

7950 doesn't need another cooling solution because it runs cooler than 1900xtx, quieter, and consume less power.

You really can't read. I wasn't even comparing its cooling capabilities and power draws to ANY ATI card. In fact, I was comparing just the cooling standpoints to another Nvidia card. I said, "some people could go from having such fun overclocking a 7900, to being stuck with the cooling limitations of this card." Meaning two overclocked 7900GT's could perform better than the 7950GX2 stock. So if you have a 7950GX2 and want to get more performance out of it, you would not be able to overclock much since no aftermarket cooling solution is available right now for it. You would be pretty much stuck at the stock frequencies give or take 20-30 mhz or so.

obviously your brain capacity don't allow you to fully understand the use/importance of HDCP.

My brain capacity knows how to read, which is more than what I can say for you. Again, when did I say anything about HDCP? Besides, the monitor has to be HDCP compliant too. For those who have the 2005fpw's and what not it doesn't make a difference. Only those with HDCP monitors can benefit from this. It will be nice on the monitors that support it, and I might actually like to watch movies on my monitor then, but the fact that you think it is better than HQ AF/HDR + AA is only your opinion as well and overgeneralized.

Josh, you are just embarrassing yourself here, commenting on a product you have no idea about, then troll and calling names.

Really?

you look childish and stupid.
( which I'm not sure if your little brain know what that is).
use of "most people" = generalization = trolling.

Right, and you're doing what? How was I trolling? And the only name I called was dramaqueen, a name that fits you since you thought I was someone who called you a shill back in the AEG witch hunt thread, a thread that occured before I was even here. You were acting like a "dramaqueen"

commenting on a product you have no idea about, then troll and calling names.

Seems like you've just summarized yourself.
 

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Excuse my ignorance the this matter.

So, in the event that nVidia does start to support dual 7950GX2s(Two actual cards on a board), the end user would have to have a board that supports dual X16 PCI-E slots? Meaning I would need a board like an A8N32-SLI instead of an A8N-SLI Premium like I currently own? I'm sorta confused on that matter.

I'm really considering upgrading from my current 7800GTX. I was going to wait for the conroe and build a new rig then, but if supplies become limited with this, I might just jump on it early.

Any help on this would be great
 

thilanliyan

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Originally posted by: beggerking
I never said HQ AF is not better.. what I said was, HDCP (if you actually know what that is) is much more important to future proof the card and IMO a better feature compare to what HQ AF can offer.

HDCP more important than HQ AF??? By the time HDCP becomes mainstream most people, especially people that would buy the 7950GX2, would have moved onto a different card anyway. Can you even buy a HDCP monitor right now??
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: beggerking
I stated that I wasn't flaming and you didn't believe me, and now you are calling me being childish..?

you are derailing the thread and once again trolling as you were in all other threads. Please leave if you don't have a point here.

Whem people type in all caps, thats being rude. I didnt derail the thread at all. I said several times that its a lot of card, for the money. You claimed I said that you didnt mention HDR+AA, which is wrong. I never said such a thing. You didnt mention HQ AF, which I brought up. HQ AF not as important? You can use it in virtually any game. HDR+AA is only available in a select few games right now. Obviously you've never seen HQ AF in motion.

Why do you even care so much? Its not like you're going to be buying any of these expensive cards.

Originally posted by: lopri

I'm not sure if you're understanding what I'm trying to say, not to mention what you have said.

Because most people do not have cards that can do HDR.

This was what I meant to point out to you with a nice smiley.

1. Most people prefer AA over HDR.
2. Most people haven't seen HDR.

You made statements that can't co-exist and I just pointed it out. And you should now understand why you must use such strong wording like "most people" with caution. People tend to use such expressions as an easy way to back up their opinions. But it won't take an argument to anywhere because the near-infinite different types of "most people" That's all.

And yes, while not a logical reasoning, I also got the impression that you got - many people don't have a card that does HDR. Then making a poll with this wide-open samples is pointless, as you could imagine. And even then, what good the result would do? Some people prefer AA over HDR, and some people prefer HDR over AA. And some people don't really know what HDR (or AA) so they vote for whatever they know of.

Does that make your first statement - most people prefer AA over HDR - valid?

Sure they can go together. Most people who have HDR, prefer AA over HDR. Most people who have video cards, cannot use HDR.

As Ive already stated, make a poll if you dont believe me. Ive seen two such polls on various forums, and AA won easily. And check the steam surevey to see that most cards used, cannot do HDR.

So you are agreeing with me, that reviews should have more options, with HDR and AA. Yet you want to pick on my saying that most people prefer AA over HDR, and that most people dont have HDR capable cards? Hmm, ok.

 

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wtf! you came in here posting crap and calling me out? if you prefer HDR+AA over HDCP compliance than go ahead, its your opinion.

READ THE REVIEWS!! almost all reviews are saying its a good bang for the buck because its faster than 7900GT SLI while costing the same.

7950 doesn't need another cooling solution because it runs cooler than 1900xtx, quieter, and consume less power.

obviously your brain capacity don't allow you to fully understand the use/importance of HDCP..

Josh, you are just embarrassing yourself here, commenting on a product you have no idea about, then troll and calling names.[/quote]



Yes it does need another cooling solution if the review I read re: it being hot and heating up surrounding components a fair bit is true.

Running cooler than the XTX is relative. The card may be a bit cooler, but I'm much more concerned about a card dumping 70 degrees of heat into my case rather than venting 75 degrees (like XTX) out of it.

I won't buy a 600 dollar video card if, because of their failure to cool it properly, it means I'll have to drop my CPU speed 100mhz or more because I have a heat machine dumping 70c into my otherwise carefully planned aircooled case.
 

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Beware! viral marketers are among you! ;) Holy free hardware Batman! This thread looks like a fight between Honda and Toyota sales reps.
 

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Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Beware! viral marketers are among you! ;) Holy free hardware Batman! This thread looks like a fight between Honda and Toyota sales reps.

LOL. Yeah this forum is going downhill unfortunately.
 

DAPUNISHER

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Originally posted by: remagavon
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Beware! viral marketers are among you! ;) Holy free hardware Batman! This thread looks like a fight between Honda and Toyota sales reps.

LOL. Yeah this forum is going downhill unfortunately.
At least Brian aka Rollo, made it entertaining. Now, it is akin to having the suckit city guy tell me why I need to buy monster cables ;)
 

beggerking

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Originally posted by: joshBrainLess
Originally posted by: Beggerking

HDCP (if you actually know what that is) is much more important to future proof the card and IMO a better feature compare to what HQ AF can offer.

Never said that it isn't as important of a feature. I said that a future proof peice of hardware is not future proof.
are you dumb?.. care to elaborate?
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very much the same reason why people switch from single core CPU to dual core CPU.

You just agreed with me. People switch (are begining to switch) from single core CPU's to dual core CPU's. How does that show that things are future proof? If something was future proof, you wouldn't need to switch anything. Eventually the dual core CPU's will be getting switched out for quad core, etc. Nothing is "future proof" about it, just keeping up with the times.
I said "more" future proof meaning it'll last longer, not forever. stop talking out of your arss with senseless crap.
In addition to that, HDCP support. ( which I'm not sure if your little brain know what that is).

My little brain? Let's not forget when you accused me of "hurting" you and calling you a shill back in the AEG witch hunt time period where Rollo was banned, a time when I wasn't even a member here.
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so thats why you are talking senseless crap, for revange. now we know why you sound like a stupid ars.

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"Most" Nvidia owners seem to have a 7900GT that is volted up to a 7900GTX or beyond, or two 7900GT's or a 7900GTX/SLI....basically, most Nvidia owners already have a 7900 series that about a month ago was doing all of their gaming "just fine" Why would anyone want to go from having a great overclocking card, to a limited single slot SLI?



use of "most people" = generalization = trolling.

Okay, so this previeous comment

HQ AF isn't as important as HDR+AA

and

the same reason why people switch from single core CPU to dual core CPU

are not overgeneralizations? I doubt everyone is switching to dual core. Like I said, to you maybe HQ AF isn't as important as HDR + AA, but when I say "most people" I'm way over the edge? If you want to get technical, I added an adjective to people, describing it more and making it less vague than your "people" comment.

use of "people"=generalization=trolling!!!

It's funny, you skim over the fact that two 7900's barely lose to a 7950GX2 (in fact the margin of loss is probably due to the normal 5% error gap that is associated with Anandtech's benchmarks) yet you get very tight about someone saying "most"??????
and whats wrong with using "people" ? it is referring to people who did it, which it may or may not be "most people". If you are simply talking out of your arss for revenge, PM, stop threadcrapping.

and what is your point of 7900 SLI barely losing out to a 7950? 7950 cost the same or less than 7900sli and run faster.
7950gx2 is faster than 7900gt sli. get your fact straight.
please read up on 7950gx2 before you comment on it.. you are making obsolutely no sense.

I need to read up on it? Look here:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2769&p=1

The 7900GX2 barely beats it, and they were testing stock 7900GT's. I was saying that for those who have voltmodded or overclocked their 7900GT's are already getting better performance than the stock ones that Anandtech compared it to and would quickly close the negligible 3-5 fps gap. And they could do it by spending half of the amount.

7950 barely beats it = 7950 still beats 7900 sli which is exactly what I said.

you forgot about 7950 being able to OC as well, along with added HDCP support, possiblility of quadsli.
wtf! you came in here posting crap and calling me out? if you prefer HDR+AA over HDCP compliance than go ahead, its your opinion.

Once again you can't read. Where did I ever say that HDR + AA is more important than HDCP? You said I overgeneraized, yet you claimed that HQ AF isn't as important as HDR + AA? Maybe not to you? I personally never run a game without at least HQ AF. Once again, not saying that HDCP is worse than all of those, just saying that you overgenearlized too.

why the F*ck did you call me out? you are simply here to thread crap as usual, get out.
I said IMO HDCP is more important than HDR+AA.
READ THE REVIEWS!! almost all reviews are saying its a good bang for the buck because its faster than 7900GT SLI while costing the same.

Yes, it is faster, but by how much? In FEAR at 16x12 it got 3 frames more. At 2048x1536 it got 5 frames more....are you telling me you can tell the difference between 3-5 frames? Not to mention they were using stock 7900GT's. If someone who has an overclocked one wants to get another one for $300 or less, they could do so, overclock it, and close that 3-5 frame gap easily for half the price.

wtf are you talking about ? $300+300 = $600 <> half the price of $600 7950GX2
stop talking out of your ars.

7950 doesn't need another cooling solution because it runs cooler than 1900xtx, quieter, and consume less power.

You really can't read. I wasn't even comparing its cooling capabilities and power draws to ANY ATI card. In fact, I was comparing just the cooling standpoints to another Nvidia card. I said, "some people could go from having such fun overclocking a 7900, to being stuck with the cooling limitations of this card." Meaning two overclocked 7900GT's could perform better than the 7950GX2 stock. So if you have a 7950GX2 and want to get more performance out of it, you would not be able to overclock much since no aftermarket cooling solution is available right now for it. You would be pretty much stuck at the stock frequencies give or take 20-30 mhz or so.
thats the point. cooling solution will be out soon if the product prove to be popular. You must be pretty dumb to think people havn't thought of making a better cooler for the card. Also, XXX version is already OC the core 70mhz, member 200mhz. as I have said before, you really need to read before you comment /thread crapping.

obviously your brain capacity don't allow you to fully understand the use/importance of HDCP.

My brain capacity knows how to read, which is more than what I can say for you. Again, when did I say anything about HDCP? Besides, the monitor has to be HDCP compliant too. For those who have the 2005fpw's and what not it doesn't make a difference. Only those with HDCP monitors can benefit from this. It will be nice on the monitors that support it, and I might actually like to watch movies on my monitor then, but the fact that you think it is better than HQ AF/HDR + AA is only your opinion as well and overgeneralized.

Josh, you are just embarrassing yourself here, commenting on a product you have no idea about, then troll and calling names.

Really?

you look childish and stupid.
( which I'm not sure if your little brain know what that is).
use of "most people" = generalization = trolling.

Right, and you're doing what? How was I trolling? And the only name I called was dramaqueen, a name that fits you since you thought I was someone who called you a shill back in the AEG witch hunt thread, a thread that occured before I was even here. You were acting like a "dramaqueen"
I apologized for that and now you are threadcrapping yourself like an ars.
and what does that thread has to do with this thread? its not even related.

once again, commenting on a product you have no idea about, then troll and calling names, you are a true shill.


 

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Originally posted by: thilan29
Originally posted by: beggerking
I never said HQ AF is not better.. what I said was, HDCP (if you actually know what that is) is much more important to future proof the card and IMO a better feature compare to what HQ AF can offer.

HDCP more important than HQ AF??? By the time HDCP becomes mainstream most people, especially people that would buy the 7950GX2, would have moved onto a different card anyway. Can you even buy a HDCP monitor right now??

Vista requires HDCP and the industry is supporting it. I feel its more important and you are entitled to your opinion.
 

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Originally posted by: beggerking
I stated that I wasn't flaming and you didn't believe me, and now you are calling me being childish..?

you are derailing the thread and once again trolling as you were in all other threads. Please leave if you don't have a point here.

Whem people type in all caps, thats being rude. I didnt derail the thread at all. I said several times that its a lot of card, for the money. You claimed I said that you didnt mention HDR+AA, which is wrong. I never said such a thing. You didnt mention HQ AF, which I brought up. HQ AF not as important? You can use it in virtually any game. HDR+AA is only available in a select few games right now. Obviously you've never seen HQ AF in motion.

Why do you even care so much? Its not like you're going to be buying any of these expensive cards.

I have seen HQ AF and I can barely tell the difference when the picture is still. In motion, I really can't tell the difference. there, I just defeated your whole argument.

I've seen HDR+AA and I can tell the difference with both HDR+AA on though.
 

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Originally posted by: beggerking
Originally posted by: thilan29
Originally posted by: beggerking
I never said HQ AF is not better.. what I said was, HDCP (if you actually know what that is) is much more important to future proof the card and IMO a better feature compare to what HQ AF can offer.

HDCP more important than HQ AF??? By the time HDCP becomes mainstream most people, especially people that would buy the 7950GX2, would have moved onto a different card anyway. Can you even buy a HDCP monitor right now??

Vista requires HDCP and the industry is supporting it. I feel its more important and you are entitled to your opinion.

No it doesn't. Vista will be needed for HDCP, (or OSX llama or whatever they are calling it) but to run vista you will not NEED HDCP.
 

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Vista needs a HDCP videocard + monitor to play HD-DVD contents. Otherwise, the picture will be fuzzy.
 

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Originally posted by: beggerking
Vista needs a HDCP videocard + monitor to play HD-DVD contents. Otherwise, the picture will be fuzzy.

Yes and?

That is not the same as saying vista requires HDCP, which it doesn't. Vista does not, for example, need a blueray or HD-DVD player either.

Now we've gotten that straight you can return to your "discussion".
 

lopri

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A prefers X over Y.
A doesn't know what Y is.

How can someone judge something that s/he doesn't know about? Are you being serious?

"I like Cathy more than Betty.
Who is Betty, BTW?"

Making a poll is irrelevant and I'm sure you know why. I wouldn't make such a stupid poll.
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: lopri
A prefers X over Y.
A doesn't know what Y is.

How can someone judge something that s/he doesn't know about? Are you being serious?

"I like Cathy more than Betty.
Who is Betty, BTW?"

Making a poll is irrelevant and I'm sure you know why. I wouldn't make such a stupid poll.


I dont know why you cant understand this.

The people with HDR capable cards, (I think, and going by two polls) prefer AA over HDR. Given the choice between the two. People with HDR capable cards, can and more than likely have tried them both at one time or another. Especially with Oblivion out now.

So as you can see, people can judge. Why? Because they've probably used both. Just give it up, my point is valid. Why would it be stupid? Because you know people would prefer AA?
 

lopri

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Ackmed.. I will stop here. But I should say I'm very surprised with your comments in this thread. If anything, I will answer you via PMs.