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josh6079

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okay dramaqueen, I'll go slow just for you in response to your last post for me:

1) joshBrainLess? You're trying too hard.

2) Future proof pieces of hardware can't exist. There is always an advancement in technology that makes that hardware less useful or useless. HDCP is available on the card, but not in every monitor. Yes, there are monitors out that support it now and we'll have to wait untill more of those monitors become mainstream before most are enjoying it. Vista will be HDCP compliant, but also DX10 based. The 7950GX2 is only HDCP compatable, not both HDCP and DX10. G80 and R600 (both DX9, HDCP, and DX10 capable) are supposed to be coming out in 3-5 months, and will prove to be more all around useful than the 7950GX2.

3) I wasn't bringing up that stupid accusation of yours in a previous thread for revenges' sake. I brought it up to indicate that while you may think I have a small brain, it is working better than yours because it knows who it is talking to.

4) Nothing is wrong with using people just like nothing is wrong with using "most" people. I was just saying that to prove the point that you were being a tightass. You get on my case for making overgenealizations then do it yourself?

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Originally Posted by: dramaqueen
and what is your point of 7900 SLI barely losing out to a 7950? 7950 cost the same or less than 7900sli and run faster

Barely as in 3-5 frames. The room for error in Anandtechs benches is roughly 5%, so if you incorporate a 5% difference to the results, it is fair to say that a 7900 SLI ties a 7950. (Even if you don't want to incoporate this 5%, 3-5 frames is NOT noticable to the naked eye)

Originally Posted by: dramaqueen
wtf are you talking about ? $300+$300=$600<> half the price of $600 7950GX2

Again, you can't read. I said that for those who already have a 7900 card, they could dump roughly $300 for another one and get the same performance as a 7950. $300=$600/2. Same performance for half the cost.

Besides, even if one does not have a 7900 card, a quick search on newegg yeilded this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150144

2x $240=$480. That's $120 dollars in savings for the same performance. Plus you could overclock them like mad if you so desired and get about the same as 7900GTX SLI performance all while saving money and peforming the same if not better. That is my point.

6) Quad SLI is a benefit for the 7950GX2, if you want to spend $1200 dollars for 3-5 more months before G80 and R600. Not ony that, Quad SLI is about as acrobatic as Dick Cheney. It is very ineffecient and a 7900GTX SLI or X1900XT Crossfire setup beats it. The 7950's overclocking head room is not going to be very good since no aftermarket cooling is yet available. Yes, in the future there might be some aftermarket cooling available, but how soon? 3-5 months?

7) That is fine if you think HDCP is more important than HDR + AA. Its your opinion.

8) While I'm not going to go into details of the other thread where you stopped becoming beggerking and became dramaqueen, I will say that I am not trying to derail the thread whatsoever. I simply don't see the value in the investment for a 7950. There are cheaper routes to take that would yeild the same performance. Even if the buyer doesn't have an nF4 mb, the $120 in savings that would be left over from the link I provided would be enough to get a decent nf4 mb if they wanted to. That would then be two cards and a newer mb all for the price of a single 7950. The fact that the new mb would allow them to run two G80's when they launched is an even bigger advantage. All of that is possible with about $600 dollars, yet you seem to continue to say that the 7950 is the best buy?

9) I'm a shill? For doing what, recommending other Nvidia hardware against other Nvidia hardware? In your eyes, anyone who recommends something other than what your recommending is a shill and stupid. Only idiots see things in an absolute.
 

beggerking

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1. looks like you are the dramaqueen here
2. "MORE" future proof meaning it's useful lifetime will last longer. When HDCP become standard, you'll have 1 less hardware you have to replace.
3. then why the name calling? you sound like joker now.
4. "most" people is a overgeneralization. "people with something IMO " is not a overgeneralization. its an opinion.
5. that is , only people who already have a 7900gt. for people who are looking into a videocard upgrade, 7950gx2 is not a bad choice. It is faster than 7900gt sli plus HDCP support.
6. aftermarketing cooling may come out tomrrow, or it may never come out, who knows? but its not a valid reason for you to put down the card.
8,9. here is the thread you become JoshTheDramaQueen. Congrads!
 

eastvillager

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On the HDR+AA issue, is what Valve calls HDR not HDR? I ask because of some troubleshooting I did with HL2 EP1 this weekend.

On a 7800gtx SLI rig, I was having a sound issue and one of the suggestions from Valve was to reduce/disable anti-aliasing. I did this, it was obviously not doing AA anymore... which, looking at the current argument seems kind of wierd. It is also doing HDR, at least the part of HDR that simulates the operation of your iris when moving from shadow to light and vice versa.

Seems to me, that rig was doing HDR+AA in HL2EP1, what am I missing?

Oh, and on the choosing one or the other, for me it based upon the game type. In an online shooter, I'll go with AA over HDR, but in an offline explorer/adventure/story type game I'll go with HDR over AA.
 

josh6079

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Originally posted by: beggerking
1. looks like you are the dramaqueen here
How so?
2. "MORE" future proof meaning it's useful lifetime will last longer. When HDCP become standard, you'll have 1 less hardware you have to replace.
When HDCP becomes the standared DX9 wont be around and G80's will be out.
3. then why the name calling? you sound like joker now.
Again with the obsession with joker. Until this, no one has even brought him up, why do you? I only said dramaqueen, the name I'm going to refer to you as ever since you made a completely false acusation, apologized, and retracted that apology only to further accuse me. That is, in my book, your name and I will call you by that in any thread so you better get used to it.

Also, your past posts haven't excluded themselves from contributing that nam-calling you hate so much. If your going to preach about name-calling and the like, don't do it yourself you hipocrite.
4. "most" people is a overgeneralization. "people with something IMO " is not a overgeneralization. its an opinion.
That's what you fail to see, an opinion is a generalization in itself.
5. that is , only people who already have a 7900gt.
I take that as you agree with me.
for people who are looking into a videocard upgrade, 7950gx2 is not a bad choice. It is faster than 7900gt sli plus HDCP support.
I've already pointed out to the Anandtech benches that it is really only as fast as STOCK 7900GT SLI; the difference between 3-5 frames makes no difference especially when there is a 5% error margin in the test.
6. aftermarketing cooling may come out tomrrow, or it may never come out, who knows? but its not a valid reason for you to put down the card.
It is when it is the one thing keeping me from overclocking it. Not really being able to overclock the card is a restriction, one that the 7900GT SLI does not have.
8,9. here is the thread you become JoshTheDramaQueen. Congrads!
Again, being the hipocrite, and not even doing a good job at making a good nickname. Honestly, if you can make a GOOD nickname instead of your 3rd grade verbal seizures, I really wouldn't mind. In fact I would be surprised seeing as how I doubt your brain functions with both halves.

Honestly I'm getting tired of breaking down your posts and showing how you struggle to formulate thoughts well. I will agree with you that HDCP support is something that cards should start coming with and it is a plus for Nvidia to incorporate it. Also, I'm not saying that it is a buy that no one should make, I just can't see where it holds its weight in gold. Nvidia beats Nvidia here. You can continue to try an keep your epenis, I'm tired of arguing with your skewed logic and don't really give a rats what you think, I've made my points. I'm sure everyone else is tired of seeing your stupid posts as well as mine arguing with you. If you have something else that you think I should know, PM me and keep it off here.

eastvillager--Did Valve ever tell you why reducing/disabling AA would solve a sound problem? Sounds too unrelated to me. Source based games can do HDR + AA on Nvidia cards because of they way Source implemented it. I also agree with you on when choosing to have AA and when to have HDR if you can't have both. Oblivion I could live without AA. Far Cry, the HDR wasn't done as well IMO and I prefer the AA there.

 

Cookie Monster

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This is getting ridiculous.

Firstly,
When HDCP becomes the standared DX9 wont be around and G80's will be out.

By the time DX10 becomes the standard there will be refreshes of R600/G80.

For a fact that G80/R600 could consume up to 300W just by itself isnt too thrilling. So i dont see the problem of buying a 7950GX2 as of now.

It supports HDCP to boot as well.
 

josh6079

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I wasn't saying that the 7950's support for HDCP isn't good. I was saying that HDCP will only really become useful in the future at which time G80's and R600's will be out and able to support HDCP and lots of other features to boot that the 7950 doesn't have. I'm just saying it is not worth the money right now, unless you soley want HDCP.

I'm with you on the power consumption BS. I hate the fact that my computer is also starting to become my electric bill. All of this time hearing nothing but how DX10 is efficient, then all of a sudden they want us to use the Hoover Dam to power just our graphics cards? Hopefully those refreshes of the G80 and R600 you were talking about bring refreshed power consumption ideas.
 

beggerking

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Originally posted by: josh6079
I wasn't saying that the 7950's support for HDCP isn't good. I was saying that HDCP will only really become useful in the future at which time G80's and R600's will be out and able to support HDCP and lots of other features to boot that the 7950 doesn't have. I'm just saying it is not worth the money right now, unless you soley want HDCP.

I'm with you on the power consumption BS. I hate the fact that my computer is also starting to become my electric bill. All of this time hearing nothing but how DX10 is efficient, then all of a sudden they want us to use the Hoover Dam to power just our graphics cards? Hopefully those refreshes of the G80 and R600 you were talking about bring refreshed power consumption ideas.

lol, so is most of the "shader power" of 1900, but I still consider that a good thing to make the card more future proof. HDCP is just as important, its hardware that we will need for the future.

I'm going to stop here now. this is wasting too much of my time.