7900GT or X1900 GT?

[Soul Colossus]

For a while the 7900GT has been where it's at for priceerformance, but I'm seeing that the X1800GT is just a little more. Any notable differences between the cards? Crappy ATI drivers aside

 

[schneiderguy]

x1800xt > 7900gt > x1900gt

x1800xt ftw

 

[ronnn]

x1800xt > 7900gt = x1900gt

 

[Kromis]

Originally posted by: ronnn
x1800xt > 7900gt = x1900gt

This sounds about right.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: Soul Colossus
For a while the 7900GT has been where it's at for priceerformance, but I'm seeing that the X1800GT is just a little more. Any notable differences between the cards? Crappy ATI drivers aside

ati drivers are not crappy

 

[Wreckage]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/7games-gpus.html

1900GT is well below the 7900GT

 

[hmorphone]

Originally posted by: Kromis

Originally posted by: ronnn
x1800xt 512 > Non OC 7900gt after 3 RMA's = x1900gt

This sounds about right.

:thumbsup: Corrected

 

[redbox]

The x1900xt 256mb is what I wish ATI would have made the x1900gt it would have performed great against the 7900gt, and really I find the x1900gt to be lacking. If the choice was up to me I would pick the 7900gt over the x1900gt. For one it isn't some cripled card like the 1900gt is. The biggest weakness the 1900gt has is it only has 12 pixel pipes. Plus if you do overclock the 7900gt you are in for some fun as they overclock real nice. Those are just my personal opinions, so check around at some review sites like here at anandtech, legitreviews, and xbit. Wreckage even provided a link for you. See how each card performs with your favorite games and then go from there.

 

[hmorphone]

I agree, it would've been great if they had made the X1900GT a 256mb XT, but I don't think it's realistic. I paid like $75 less for my X1900GT than a 7900GT. If you could get a 256mb XT for that kind of money then who in their right minds would buy a X1800XT, 7900GT, or a X1900XT 512mb ? I do see where they would still sell some of the 512mb versions of those cards to a few folks running at resolutions that can take advantage of the extra memory, but it would toast everything else in price/performance ratio. I wish I could unlock mine, but unless you get one of the engineering samples it doesn't look like it's gonna happen at this point. Besides, isn't the 7900GS a crippled 7900GT, and isn't the 7900GT a crippled GTX? Nothing new going on... The 7900GT is a good card, and may be the best choice for a number of folks, but the X1900GT holds it's own.

 

[Captante]

I'd say either EVGA OC'ed 7900GT or X1800XT.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: ronnn
x1800xt > 7900gt = x1900gt

7900gt is faster than the x1900gt

http://www.guru3d.com/article/content/354/16/

The million dollar question then. 7900 GT or X1900 GT ? We'll I'd choose the 7900 GT as in most cases the X1900 GT was performing a tad slower.

 

[hmorphone]

Anandtech Mid Range GPU Roundup

"Final Words

While this has been quite a lot of information to absorb, we will do our best to sort it all out. Not only is the X1900 GT a better performer in most cases than the stock 7900 GT, but with this week's price cuts the ATI part offers an incredible value advantage."

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: ronnn
x1800xt > 7900gt = x1900gt

7900gt is faster than the x1900gt

http://www.guru3d.com/article/content/354/16/

The million dollar question then. 7900 GT or X1900 GT ? We'll I'd choose the 7900 GT as in most cases the X1900 GT was performing a tad slower.

Dang now I could link to anand's recent midrange review, but than we would be back to drivers (that review you linked used cat 6.5 and there has been a large performance improvement since than), settings, features and all that stuff. Same old circle. Until nv improves default settings - most reviews are worth jack, as most will play games using hq. Still all said and done the 7900gt is a nice card. Its too bad that nvidia has such poor drivers.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: hmorphone
Anandtech Mid Range GPU Roundup

"Final Words

While this has been quite a lot of information to absorb, we will do our best to sort it all out. Not only is the X1900 GT a better performer in most cases than the stock 7900 GT, but with this week's price cuts the ATI part offers an incredible value advantage."

Naturally you understand many vendors offer OC parts. Lots of 7900GT/OC parts out there.

I'd go with the 7900GT > X1900GT for this class of video card.

 

[RussianSensation]

Either 7900GT and overclock it or X1900XT for $279 after sept 14.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Pabster

I'd go with the 7900GT > X1900GT for this class of video card.

And that is reasonable if pure speed is the issue. Just mainly pointing out that there are other considerations equally valid. These cards are very close with good reasons for buying either. :beer:

 

[hmorphone]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Naturally you understand many vendors offer OC parts. Lots of 7900GT/OC parts out there.

True, very true. Of course, if the performance gap drops when you switch the Nvidia drivers for the 7900GT to HQ mode, your X1900GT is $75 less, and you can get a decent OC out of the X1900GT as well...

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: hmorphone

Originally posted by: Kromis

Originally posted by: ronnn
x1800xt 512 > Non OC 7900gt after 3 RMA's = x1900gt

This sounds about right.

:thumbsup: Corrected

Hmmmm.. According to that Xbit article that was published on August 18th, the 7900GT is faster than both the X1900GT and the X1800XT. Depends on the games of course, but the only two I took a look at were Oblivion and HL2. Known to be faster (til now) on ATI hardware. What do you make of this hmorphone?

 

[ronnn]

May have been published august 18, but used cat 6.6 and quality settings. This circle has no end.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ronnn
May have been published august 18, but used cat 6.6 and quality settings. This circle has no end.

It's an 8 day old review ronnn. You could say that 6.9's are due at the end of the month as well as 91.45's. So yes, in that respect, the circle won't end. Just wanted you all to take a gander at the 8 day old review and how the 7900GT does against the X1900GT.

If the Cat 6.7's or 6.8's had a monumental performance improvement over the 6.6's, then my apologies.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: hmorphone
Anandtech Mid Range GPU Roundup

"Final Words

While this has been quite a lot of information to absorb, we will do our best to sort it all out. Not only is the X1900 GT a better performer in most cases than the stock 7900 GT, but with this week's price cuts the ATI part offers an incredible value advantage."

Naturally you understand many vendors offer OC parts. Lots of 7900GT/OC parts out there.

I'd go with the 7900GT > X1900GT for this class of video card.

Of course they cost more too. For $235 after MIR, you can get a X1900XT 512MB from newegg. Faster, same or cheaper price, better IQ, and more ram.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Hmmmm.. According to that Xbit article that was published on August 18th, the 7900GT is faster than both the X1900GT and the X1800XT. Depends on the games of course, but the only two I took a look at were Oblivion and HL2. Known to be faster (til now) on ATI hardware. What do you make of this hmorphone?

And according to AT; the X1900GT is faster in both of those games. And the overall winner. Who to believe?

According to newegg, the cheapest 7900GT is $240, the cheapest X1900GT is $206, and the cheapest X1900XT is $241 all after MIR's.

While I think that the 7900GT is overall a faster card than the X1900GT, especially if you get an overclocked version, it also costs a lot more. Again, especially if you get an overclocked version. The overclocked eVGA model that AT used in the linked article, is $296 from newegg. Thats close to X1900XTX prices, with newegg carries them for $330. With the 512MB X1900XT the same price as the 7900GT... I dont see how you can go against it. Its faster, it has twice as much ram, and better IQ. Thats three pretty big advatages over the 7900GT.

The 7900GT as of right now, is in a tight spot. There is a X1900GT thats cheaper, and close to performance, a X1900XT thats the same price, and faster with twice as much ram. Both have better IQ. Im sure the 7950GT will help in performance, but the price is not going to favor it, as the X1900XT will be much cheaper, and probably about as fast. All the while.. with better IQ.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: hmorphone
Anandtech Mid Range GPU Roundup

"Final Words

While this has been quite a lot of information to absorb, we will do our best to sort it all out. Not only is the X1900 GT a better performer in most cases than the stock 7900 GT, but with this week's price cuts the ATI part offers an incredible value advantage."

Naturally you understand many vendors offer OC parts. Lots of 7900GT/OC parts out there.

I'd go with the 7900GT > X1900GT for this class of video card.

Of course they cost more too. For $235 after MIR, you can get a X1900XT 512MB from newegg. Faster, same or cheaper price, better IQ, and more ram.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Hmmmm.. According to that Xbit article that was published on August 18th, the 7900GT is faster than both the X1900GT and the X1800XT. Depends on the games of course, but the only two I took a look at were Oblivion and HL2. Known to be faster (til now) on ATI hardware. What do you make of this hmorphone?

And according to AT; the X1900GT is faster in both of those games. And the overall winner. Who to believe?

According to newegg, the cheapest 7900GT is $240, the cheapest X1900GT is $206, and the cheapest X1900XT is $241 all after MIR's.

While I think that the 7900GT is overall a faster card than the X1900GT, especially if you get an overclocked version, it also costs a lot more. Again, especially if you get an overclocked version. The overclocked eVGA model that AT used in the linked article, is $296 from newegg. Thats close to X1900XTX prices, with newegg carries them for $330. With the 512MB X1900XT the same price as the 7900GT... I dont see how you can go against it. Its faster, it has twice as much ram, and better IQ. Thats three pretty big advatages over the 7900GT.

The 7900GT as of right now, is in a tight spot. There is a X1900GT thats cheaper, and close to performance, a X1900XT thats the same price, and faster with twice as much ram. Both have better IQ. Im sure the 7950GT will help in performance, but the price is not going to favor it, as the X1900XT will be much cheaper, and probably about as fast. All the while.. with better IQ.

Edited out;

Actually, just wanted to show the article. Good to have more than one POV>

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: ronnn
May have been published august 18, but used cat 6.6 and quality settings. This circle has no end.

It's an 8 day old review ronnn. You could say that 6.9's are due at the end of the month as well as 91.45's. So yes, in that respect, the circle won't end. Just wanted you all to take a gander at the 8 day old review and how the 7900GT does against the X1900GT.

If the Cat 6.7's or 6.8's had a monumental performance improvement over the 6.6's, then my apologies.

Actually, the 6.8's do have a rather large performance increase in some games, for 256MB cards. Such as the X1900GT.

Improved shader compiler and transform engine optimizations have led to many significant performance gains in OpenGL applications across the entire Radeon® X1000 series of products. These include:

* Doom 3 performance improves as much as 6.5%
* Quake 4 (v1.2 or higher) performance improves as much as 18%
* Chronicles of Riddick performance improves as much as 20%. Average improvements of 5-10% are commonly seen
* Prey performance improves as much as 16%

Optimizations made to ATI's graphics memory manager have led to significant gains in DirectX applications that make heavy use of graphics memory on 256MB ATI graphics cards:

* 3DMark06 performance improves as much as 22% on single ATI Radeon® X1000 series cards with 256MB of graphics memory at 1280x1024 and higher when anti-aliasing is enabled. The largest gains are found on the ATI Radeon® X1800 series and ATI Radeon® X1900 series of products
* Call of Duty 2 performance improves as much as 30% on single ATI Radeon® X550 cards or higher with 256MB of video memory at 1280x1024 and higher when anti-aliasing enabled. The largest gains are found on the ATI Radeon® X1800 series and ATI Radeon® X1900 series of products

Issues Resolved in Catalyst® Software Suite 6.8

Not that I think it makes your review invalid, but there is some pretty large performance gains claimed there. While I have only seen one article comparing the 6.8's, and 6.7's, it was useless beause they used a 512MB X1900XT.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed


Not that I think it makes your review invalid, but there is some pretty large performance gains claimed there. While I have only seen one article comparing the 6.8's, and 6.7's, it was useless beause they used a 512MB X1900XT.

My review? So is the AT review, "your" review then? hehe.

I don't think that even if I said "Pretty please", Xbit would redo the benches with 6.8's.
They did use the 6.8's on the X1950 review though. I guess they just missed it with last weeks review.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Check the thread title and c'mon back Mr. Salesman.

And whats that supposed to mean? The thread title was asking about the X1900GT, and 7900GT. The X1900XT is the same price as the 7900GT, which the OP says is where its "been at for price/performance". You dont think he would want to know that the X1900XT is the same price, as the 7900GT? I know if I was shopping for carsd, I would want to know. Why are you getting so upset that someone brought into light this fact?

The 7900GT is a fine card, better than fine in fact. When you consider its faster than the 7800GTX, that was $600 and launched about a year ago. Its a very fine card performance wise if you plan to overclock it, especially vmod it. Most people do not. I dont know why you get upset about my post. Everything is 100% factual as far as I know, feel free to correct me if its not.

edit;

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed


Not that I think it makes your review invalid, but there is some pretty large performance gains claimed there. While I have only seen one article comparing the 6.8's, and 6.7's, it was useless beause they used a 512MB X1900XT.

My review? So is the AT review, "your" review then? hehe.

Its the review you talked about. Another person posted the AT review, which claimed the X1900GT a victor. Personally, I dont like either sites reviews, but I also dont think you should limit youself to just one, or even two.