thilanliyan
Lifer
Flickering?? in games?? desktop??
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7900gt or x1800xt
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Flickering?? in games?? desktop??
You don't need the the Superclocked to beat the 18XT, the 78GTX came close enough and even some of the basic 79GTs are clocked higher then 500MHz (70Mhz higher then the 7800GTX that is used to say the X1800XT is faster) The problem is some reds have a really, really, really hard time understand their is a difference between the Benchmarks scores on the web and the actual retail cards (and for the first time in history its better for consumers) or the exact opposite they have a hard time understanding a retail card clocked higher is completely different then overclocking on your own.
7800GTX<X1800XT~7900GT<7800GTX OC varaints<7900GT OC Variants
Now this isn't diffinitive, and people will say HDR+AA which is very valid but as many others will say the combination is so intensive that its borderline useless in a X1900XT let alon a X1800Xt. Then there is the AA performance which is more valid, but again on most games where the hit is felt people tend to rather run at a higher res then a higher AA. It depends on how you play them. But AA performance should be in line anyways with the aditional performance.
7900GT on the other hand has plusses that I personally think always affect the Purchaser, No Dual Slot cooling,Not quite as loud, Loud Fan (although Nvidia really should have stuck with the 7800GTX fan because it is much louder then the 7800GTX was), and no debunk dual card setup (are CFs still available for the X1800?).
There are Very Valid point both ways but the performance the 7900GT card, specailly the Life Time warranty OC variants, are going to be generally better performers, price difference is almost nill, and the real world limitations of the X1800XT makes up one large noose in my mind. Both Price and Performance wise I think the Fight between the 79GTX and X19XT is a much more interesting fight, and I would putthe X19XT as the better card in both performance, price and value even even if just barely.
Uh, what makes you think that the X1800XT has more "real world limitations" when comparing the 7900 non-voltmoded. Just by getting any (or in this case, the cheapest since all are the same build) X1800XT he can overclock through the software just like one could overclock the 7900 through a voltmod. That will give it less limitations when comparing it the stock or factory oc'd versions of a 7900GT since the 7900GT will reach a voltage bottleneck. Besides, he already got the X1800XT, but I can see how you would like to voice your opinion if you disagreed with it.
Don't get me wrong, the 7900GT is a good card, especially since I would volt mod one (did it with my 7800's for SLI and loved it). But the X1800XT does compete evenly with the 7900GT in most benchmarks that are both credible and thorough. It's not a very good argument to say that benches are stupid and that none of them show what "real world" gameplay is like. And when the factory oc'd versions of the 7900GT come into play, they still are not at the factory, non-overclocked version of the X1800XT speeds as far as core GPU frequencies go. The memory clock on the 7900GT is higher than the X1800XT, but offers half of the amount. And even if that 2x multiplier of available memory is unimportant to you, the X1800XT's memory communcation is a little more efficient considering its ring-bus architecture.
For every One 7900GT that is overclocked I am guess no less then 4 are purchased that people don't overclock. This is what I was making a point of in the first paragraph, an OC'd 7900GT is completely different then the overclocking limit of any other card. Why OC a 7900GT if I can get a retail card for only ~$35 and still have it covered under warranty. It makes a big difference and peoples unwillingness to understand that really bugs me.
If you read more carefully, what I said the slight differences in 7900GT and 18XT performance (which becomes a bigger difference in the case of OC varaints of the 7900GT (which like I said is covered under warranty, you don't have to makeany changes in software settings for that speed, blah blah blah.)in the 7900GTs favor). The real world limitations have nothing to do with performance, but with Heat, Niose (which I stated isn't much worse then the already too loud 7900GT), 2 slot cooler, and an almost non-exsistant dual card support (whatever did happen to the CF X1800 Master cards).
Memory and GPU clock speeds are not an issue if the card is still faster performer. Look at AMD for example where an A64 in some situations can beat a P4 with more then a GHz clock speed advantage.
oh gowd the stupid pen to do the volt mod only costs 10.99 and i bet a 10yr old kid could do it.
ITS SO SIMPLE AND COMPLETELY REVERSIBLE THAT I SEE NO POINT NOT DOING IT.
Then u have the choice of volting to 1.4 1.5 and 1.6 GTX is clocked at 1.4 so even a slight volt mod would give promising results.
Voltmeter for mem volt mod costs 6.95 and a #2 pencil is 10 cents. This is ALSO VERY EASY
Lastly the materials needed to do these volt mods on the 7900GT totals to less then 20 dollars. The difference in price of a GTX vs GT is about 200 dollars if not more. I DONT SEE A REASON WHY YOU WOULDNT DO THIS.
Lastly, ATI users can just BITE ME, at 710 in SLI i'll pretty much gobble most ATI X1900XTX users. Problem is one of my cards can go higher, ive hit as high as 775 b4 i started to artifact. But my second card craps out at 710 hence why im at 710.
Total spent on the two cards, 299.99x2 at newegg so about 600 dollars plus tax. How much is a X1900XTX ~ 600 dollars. So for the price of 1 X1900 i have 2 7900GT's in SLI which will seriously SPANK a X1900XTX single.
Dont be a wuzz about frying your hardware, 1.4V Vmod wont really do much to the card and will probably only cut the life to 3yrs at the most. But honestly who holds onto a gaming videocard longer then 2 yrs?
Just do the stupid volt mod get the 7900GT and u'll be happy
Thats all i need to say
ITS SO SIMPLE AND COMPLETELY REVERSIBLE THAT I SEE NO POINT NOT DOING IT.
Then u have the choice of volting to 1.4 1.5 and 1.6 GTX is clocked at 1.4 so even a slight volt mod would give promising results.
Voltmeter for mem volt mod costs 6.95 and a #2 pencil is 10 cents. This is ALSO VERY EASY
Lastly the materials needed to do these volt mods on the 7900GT totals to less then 20 dollars. The difference in price of a GTX vs GT is about 200 dollars if not more. I DONT SEE A REASON WHY YOU WOULDNT DO THIS.
Lastly, ATI users can just BITE ME, at 710 in SLI i'll pretty much gobble most ATI X1900XTX users. Problem is one of my cards can go higher, ive hit as high as 775 b4 i started to artifact. But my second card craps out at 710 hence why im at 710.
Total spent on the two cards, 299.99x2 at newegg so about 600 dollars plus tax. How much is a X1900XTX ~ 600 dollars. So for the price of 1 X1900 i have 2 7900GT's in SLI which will seriously SPANK a X1900XTX single.
Dont be a wuzz about frying your hardware, 1.4V Vmod wont really do much to the card and will probably only cut the life to 3yrs at the most. But honestly who holds onto a gaming videocard longer then 2 yrs?
Just do the stupid volt mod get the 7900GT and u'll be happy
Thats all i need to say
I agree that the volt-moded 7900GT would beat a single stock X1800XT, aigomorla. But the OP was not going to do a volt mod. Even though, you (and I) would do it in a heart beat, others are less "Gimme, gimme, gimme" when it comes to overclocking.
Topweasel, I'm sorry dude, but I'm having a really hard time understanding what your writing. Your sentences don't form a very clear idea to me. They're sort of fragmented and oddly constructed so please correct me if I'm wrong.
From what I gather your trying to say is that:
A) 1 out of 4 people who have a 7900GT actually overclock it (I don't know if you meant volt-mod OC or soft OC).
B) The OC'ing limit of the 7900GT is far beyond any normal card.
C) Why bother trying to OC a 7900GT if you can spend $35 more for a factory OC'd one that is still under a warranty.
D) The fact that you can have a OC'd card under warranty makes a big difference to you and people who don't get that bug you.
E {and this is the start of the paragraph that confused me}) The slight differences between a factory OC'd 7900GT and the X1800XT yeilds the 7900GT as the favored card (performs a little better, but better none the less) and that is without doing ANY overclocking yourself, just from the factory.
F) Both cool bad and are loud, but the 7900GT has a better dual card "support"
G) The clock frequencies don't matter since..........okay I don't understand that last sentence about the processors. Are you saying that the A64 can beat a P4 because it has a GHz clock speed advantage?
Let me know if I'm right for the most part. I just want to make sure I'm understanding you before saying something.
Topweasel, I'm sorry dude, but I'm having a really hard time understanding what your writing. Your sentences don't form a very clear idea to me. They're sort of fragmented and oddly constructed so please correct me if I'm wrong.
From what I gather your trying to say is that:
A) 1 out of 4 people who have a 7900GT actually overclock it (I don't know if you meant volt-mod OC or soft OC).
B) The OC'ing limit of the 7900GT is far beyond any normal card.
C) Why bother trying to OC a 7900GT if you can spend $35 more for a factory OC'd one that is still under a warranty.
D) The fact that you can have a OC'd card under warranty makes a big difference to you and people who don't get that bug you.
E {and this is the start of the paragraph that confused me}) The slight differences between a factory OC'd 7900GT and the X1800XT yeilds the 7900GT as the favored card (performs a little better, but better none the less) and that is without doing ANY overclocking yourself, just from the factory.
F) Both cool bad and are loud, but the 7900GT has a better dual card "support"
G) The clock frequencies don't matter since..........okay I don't understand that last sentence about the processors. Are you saying that the A64 can beat a P4 because it has a GHz clock speed advantage?
Let me know if I'm right for the most part. I just want to make sure I'm understanding you before saying something.
Pantalaimon
Senior member
Because even without overclocking it, the card is still a good value, especially for those who like nVidia?
And do you have any fact to back up your claim that 3/4 of people who buy the card overclocks it?
thilanliyan
Lifer
The X1900XTX is NOT $600. The cheapest on NewEgg is about $440 and it took me like 10 seconds to search that. At least verify before you post.
Yeah, some people just like good stuff and keep it like they got it so they know for sure nothing can go wrong. At least, I know a few people who are like that.
I too didn't agree with that crazy price. That is like what they were when they first came out, since then you can easily find them in the $400-$500 range. And yes, a 7900GT SLI should beat a X1900XTX stand alone since it has a whole freakin GPU more. Don't think that the X1900XTX can't compete against many SLI rigs though. I had two volt-moded 7800GT's and the X1900XTX is doing better than they did. Obviously 7900GT SLI (especially volt-moded SLI) is a greater performance.
However, this whole thread was never about 7900GT vs. X1900XTX, or X1900XTX vs. ***** SLI, that would be completely unfair. It was about a stock vs. stock 7900GT and X1800XT and which card gave the best deals when weighing everything included with the purchase and doing only software additions (i.e. OC'ing.) In those rare cases where someone is only software OC'ing a 7900GT, it doesn't uphold as great as a benefit when compared to a card that can acheive the same degree of a volt-moded OC through a software utility, has double the memory, and is cheaper. The OP has already got his X1800XT and therefore, the thread dosen't really need to be discussed anymore by us non-OP'ers who are just disagreeing with eachother.
Some good points were made on both sides, OP, if you find your self unhappy in the near future because of my advice, then may my soul burn in hell for thinking you should buy a certain product. But if mine was helpful, and your happy, then great. Have fun playing games, which is what I'm going to do right now.
akugami
Diamond Member
Care to prove that? There is NO REASON to be an arse to others just because they have an ATI card as per your "ATI users can bite me" comment.
I got my X1900XT for under $380 shipped and with overclocking, it's a screamer. No it's not going to outperform an 7900GT in SLI but it performs very well and it cost $220 less. You lose any heat, power draw advantage with SLI.
BTW, anyone who is overclocking would not be buying the X1900XTX but a X1900XT at avg $440. Many people are reaching the upper 600's in core and 800+ in memory. So the bang for the buck between your overclocked 7900GT SLI and a single X1900 is smaller than you show it to be considering SLI is not a 100% jump in performance. And also, to get to 700mhz core, you'd need an aftermarket hsf for your card which will run between $20-45'ish. So it's not quite $600 for 7900GT SLI. The bang for the buck before overclocking is clearly in favor of the X1900 but after overclocking it's in favor of the 7900GT but it's not as large of a gap as you paint it to be.
Bottom line, I'm happy with my purchase and if you're happy with yours. That's fine. I have no problem with that as you being happy with your choicedoes not negatively affect my satisfaction with my choice. No need to snipe at people just because you may have gotten the better deal.
BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO FLAME ME MAYBE U SHOULD DO SOME RESEARCH ON YOUR OWN
X1900XTX
Another one
And these are all close to 600 dollars. SO whose the one being the idiot now?
And the reason why i stated id think and i emphasize ID THINK 3/4 7900GT users overclock is because if you truely are that kind of person to have a nice video card and not overclock, im sure you would of gotten a GTX instead of a GT. Not to mention, once they find out how easy it is to overclock, and the fact that its the single video card that has the most overclocking capacity, why wouldnt you?
Praxis1452
Platinum Member
your an idiot. Who goes and buys the most expensive. They are not $600. I mean if newegg made 5 X1900XTX's for $1,000000000 dollars would anyone buy it alongisde an X1900XTX for $440. Don't make yourself look more like an idiot.
weedmeister
Junior Member
okay, newb here... i'm also debating betwen the 7900gt and the x1800xt....
BUT, i'm also going to use the rig for a lot of video capture and editing, aside from the games that y'all were talking about...
in my case, what would be the better choice?
thanks in advance...
BUT, i'm also going to use the rig for a lot of video capture and editing, aside from the games that y'all were talking about...
in my case, what would be the better choice?
thanks in advance...
Oh my God, you're still arguing? The same thing could be said about the superclocked 7900GT when a regualr 7900GT would get you the same results when you really start to overclock. Some computers come with a 7900GT already in them, so those people who buy a gaming rig out of the box may not bother with overclocking. Plus, some people just like to have nice things and not have to worry about a single thing.
The fact that you just found the most expensive X1900XTX you could find to help out your pathetic argument is just sad.
beggerking
Golden Member
That Dell deal was useless. They are heavily backordered on everything. I still haven't gotten the 7900 GTX I ordered from there three weeks ago, and from the looks of it it's still going to be quite a while. I would have cancelled the order long ago if I hadn't decided to just resell the card on ebay for a profit and buy something else.
beggerking
Golden Member
just to point out its the same deal as the $380 1900 deal akugami got.
1900 for $380, 7900gt extreme for $254
your pick.
most people already got it, and its showing shipping within 24hrs now. you should call.
akugami
Diamond Member
Actually it was $351 + tax. I think it was $254 before tax on the 7900GT. Still a great deal considering most were selling it for 320'ish at the time. And when I got the deal, there was a 6+ week waiting period while the X1900 was ready to ship in a week. At the time, this was about $50 cheaper than anywhere else selling the X1900. I was ready to buy, so I bit on the deal. The 7900GTX was even more expensive. Newegg had similarly priced deals on ATI cards after an instant $50 off coupon code for about 2 weeks as well.
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