7800Ultra cancelled

[McArra]

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[otispunkmeyer]

i thought Nvidia hadnt even said anything about a 7800U, even though everyone on the forums simply assumed that there'd be one lying in wait of R520. so they cancel a product that they didnt announce?

 

[Polish3d]

Sweet, I would prefer bigger leaps to 50 incremental ones devaluing my hardware and shrinking my epenis

 

[jazzboy]

To be honest if they were to release a 7800U, then it would probably make 7800 GTX and GT in SLI look less of an attractive alternative. And besides apart from a couple of games like Fear, any more performance increases over a 7800GTX would probably only come from a faster cpu instead.

Im sure its getting to the point where soon, ati and nvidia will have to slow down their releases to wait for faster cpus to come out - like conroe or amd's m2.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: jazzboy
To be honest if they were to release a 7800U, then it would probably make 7800 GTX and GT in SLI look less of an attractive alternative. And besides apart from a couple of games like Fear, any more performance increases over a 7800GTX would probably only come from a faster cpu instead.

Im sure its getting to the point where soon, ati and nvidia will have to slow down their releases to wait for faster cpus to come out - like conroe or amd's m2.

Theyll just find ways around it, like piling on more features, higher AA, better IQ, better video processing, higher supported resolutions, they may even creep into offloading physics from the CPU to gain clock cycles on the CPU.

Theres already a hardware physics card well on its way to market.

 

[Polish3d]

Naw I could use about a 10-15% boost over my current 7800gtx to kick my BF2 perf. w/ 4AA and TSAA up past 99.9fps

Now I usually only get that w/ 2aa and MSAA (everything else high)

 

[VIAN]

Actually, I got a little worried about dishing out 400 bucks for the GT because of the Ultra sounding so much powerful. They'll release it later, I guess at the halfway point. Which is smarter.

 

[Cooler]

one more reason why waiting for R520 might just be worth it in the end.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Cooler
one more reason why waiting for R520 might just be worth it in the end.

How do you figure?

 

[g3pro]

Originally posted by: Cooler
one more reason why waiting for R520 might just be worth it in the end.

I think it's the other way around. The R520 in the end will turn out to be inferior to cards released by nVidia months ago, so nVidia will be saving the ultra for refreshes down the road when needed. They obviously don't think that the R520 will come close to the GTX's performance.


But I don't trust the inquirer anyway.

 

[ZobarStyl]

Originally posted by: Cooler
one more reason why waiting for R520 might just be worth it in the end.

Didn't actually read the article, did you? They didn't cancel it because it failed, they canceled it because they don't think they need it to compete with R520. They're banking on 600 mhz clocked XT's being few and far between, and considering it took 3 tapeouts just to get to where they are now, that's not too far fetched.

Basically they have a choice of a) releasing a killer card to outcompete but then they make their GTX/GT cards less attractive products, or b) just betting that ATi can't beat them or can't provide the volume to compete. NV as of recently has been on a kick of having less models but at more distinct performance points, probably in an effort to make it easy for the average consumer to understand them (less names = less confusion), hence why they are going with the latter option.

 

[Mingon]

Dont forget when ati is ready to release their card their will be whisperings of nvidia next card coming soon and it will all start again i.e. why get xxx card when xxxx is due soon

 

[Lonyo]

Also if you already have a 7800 card, when the single R520's are released, you can just buy a second and SLI them and be faster again, unless you want to try and get 2 R520's. At high initial prices. With probably low availability. And probable price gouging again.

 

[exar333]

id rather see a 512MB version of GTX/GT come out in the next 6 months....

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: g3pro

Originally posted by: Cooler
one more reason why waiting for R520 might just be worth it in the end.

The R520 in the end will turn out to be inferior to cards released by nVidia months ago, so nVidia will be saving the ultra for refreshes down the road when needed. They obviously don't think that the R520 will come close to the GTX's performance.

And how do you figure that out? I think the r520xt will be on par or even better than the gtx, but will not be readily available, so you can argue it either way. IMO, the reason they canceled the ultra is because they caught wind of the r580 to be released shortly after the r520, and they realized that a higher clocked version of the gtx will probably not do so well against a r580, so they secided to concentrate their efforts on a refresh card with possibly more pipes or some other improvements.

Or maybe they decided to incorporate sm4 capability into the same ultra and call it something else, so that way even if they lose the performance war, they can still market their "power of 4" campaign.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
id rather see a 512MB version of GTX/GT come out in the next 6 months....

yeah, would be good if they actually put 512mb on cards that could use it for once....unlike 512mb versions of 6200's and what not

 

[lavaheadache]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
id rather see a 512MB version of GTX/GT come out in the next 6 months....

yeah, would be good if they actually put 512mb on cards that could use it for once....unlike 512mb versions of 6200's and what not

yeah when I saw 512mb 6200's on ZZF for sale I immediately felt sorry for all the poor saps that will get it thinking, "OH MY GOD! This card is a powerhouse."

 

[compgeek89]

Can i see a link to a 512mb 6200? LOL!

And I didnt wanna wait any longer, I spent my $499 on my GTX

 

[compgeek89]

holy cow it IS there i found it... what a joke.

 

[lavaheadache]

scary, isn't it?

 

[compgeek89]

Yes it is scary, what are companies thinking?

 

[compgeek89]

Its like putting 2GB RAM in a 200mhz system and say "this thing has 2GB RAM, it can do anything"

O well, at least you can put doom3 on ultra high

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: compgeek89
holy cow it IS there i found it... what a joke.

LOL :laugh: it should fool many ppl into buying that piece of crap.

 

[Kalessian]

This is disappointing. Not because I want them to release the ultra(though I do like benchmarks xD ). nvidia released a half-assed(or even 3/4 of an ass) G70 and called it a GTX, while holding the 'true power' of the G70/nv47 in reserve...

I may be looking at this the wrong way, but if NV had known that it would come to this (a modestly clocked nv47 in terms of ram and core dominating performance) perhaps they would have released the Ultra at launch-time, doing the proper planning to fit it into their list-o-parts to sell. In hindsight, had nv played all of its cards, the G70 would have that much more of a power 'buffer zone' over both mindset and performance.

Of course, there was no way for nv to know that the R520 situation would come to this.

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: g3pro

Originally posted by: Cooler
one more reason why waiting for R520 might just be worth it in the end.

I think it's the other way around. The R520 in the end will turn out to be inferior to cards released by nVidia months ago, so nVidia will be saving the ultra for refreshes down the road when needed. They obviously don't think that the R520 will come close to the GTX's performance.


But I don't trust the inquirer anyway.

well they dont think the XT will lose out to the GTX but that ATI wont have enough volume to compete with NV therefore it would be pointless to simply release a refresh.